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Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:22 AM

45. I'm talking more about, e.g., the obsession with the emails.

I can't explain the Iraq War vote, any more than I can explain why Bernie voted against the Brady Bill or for gun industry immunity. BTW, in terms of American innocent lives lost, guns are a much bigger problem than wars, by more than an order of magnitude. (Yes, I get that the Iraq Ware cost much more than just US lives, it's Iraqi lives, and money, and international law, and the chaos that's still going on.)

My guess is that the Iraq War vote was political. Every Dem with presidential ambitions voted for it. War was gonna happen, and at the time the political winds were blowing in Bush's direction. Miscalculation, of course (in addition to bad policy). Come to think of it, Bernie's pro-gun votes were probably also based on political calculation, coming from Vermont.

What's "naive" is to think that Bernie is going to be able to defeat the GOP. That they're not going to be running non-stop ads saying that he just wants to raise taxes and dismantle the free-enterprise system and all the rest. That somehow an electorate, more than half of whom won't consider voting for a socialist, are going suddenly open their minds to the distinctions between "democratic socialism" and "regular socialism".
That you can go take on the billion dollar Koch Brothers with a tiny war chest and somehow come out ahead.

And the other thing naive is thinking that even 10% of what Bernie proposes is going to get through congress. In fact, the outcome of a Bernie or Hillary presidency isn't going to be that different. Fighting with congress, getting a few things passed. So all this stuff about not voting for Hillary if she is the nominee (I don't mean you, but don't pretend you haven't seen it) or how Hillary is no better than a Republican (ditto) is purely idiotic and, yes, hate-driven.

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