Bernie didn't stand up and recite, from memory, (Reply #82)

In the discussion thread: Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 12:44 AM

delrem (9,688 posts)

82. Bernie didn't stand up and recite, from memory,

a diatribe against same sex marriage. In honor of Christian tradition. To satisfy some Christian group thought necessary to his campaign.

The guy he was back then has been jostled forward by the results of victories.
And don't anyone try to tell me that he wasn't on the right side of those victories.

It didn't take him until 2013 to figure out the proper focus group inspired pass-phrase into political correctness. His entire history shows that he's been an OK guy.

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130 replies	Author	Time	Post
Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]	dsc	Aug 2015	OP
I guess the "vile" Obama evolved as well as	TexasProgresive	Aug 2015	#1
Ummm...	milehighmilehigh	Aug 2015	#2
that isn't about marriage equality	dsc	Aug 2015	#4
What does "abolish all laws which attempt to impose a particular brand	Zorra	Aug 2015	#9
There was no law that banned gay marriage in Vermont	dsc	Aug 2015	#11
BTW you don't like my source, fine, I have another	dsc	Aug 2015	#16
And again you fail to breathe life into that straw man.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#25
No all of the following voted against DOMA but didn't support marriage equality	dsc	Aug 2015	#32
Prove Bernie didn't support same sex marriage or stop saying it.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#34
It doesn't work that way	dsc	Aug 2015	#37
Yes, it does work that way.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#39
several are saying that in this thread	dsc	Aug 2015	#45
Kerry is not Bernie and I agree with virtualobserver in their post 40:	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#47
I provided the Congressional record from the law	dsc	Aug 2015	#48
You haven't proven that Bernie didn't support same sex marriage.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#49
This sounds an awful lot like the PoC smear. "Not good enough, Bernie." is the spirit of the	Ed Suspicious	Aug 2015	#51
Yes, it does.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#56
yeah you know us minorities just a bunch of smear merchants	dsc	Aug 2015	#58
I don't know about minorities. I only know about what I'm reading from you. And what I'm gathering	Ed Suspicious	Aug 2015	#63
He also supports the ACA.	RichVRichV	Aug 2015	#38
This isn't a stand alone vote	dsc	Aug 2015	#52
So he wrote a letter in the 70's	RichVRichV	Aug 2015	#67
No that is isn't what I said	dsc	Aug 2015	#77
So what did Bernie say as to his reasons for voting against it?	RichVRichV	Aug 2015	#78
He didn't which is my point	dsc	Aug 2015	#79
Let's recap the actual facts posted in this thread.	RichVRichV	Aug 2015	#85
^^^THIS^^^THIS^^^THIS^^^	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#86
Fantastic post.	Ed Suspicious	Aug 2015	#89
we come to a an opposite conclusion with a similar set of facts when the candidates name is	dsc	Aug 2015	#100
Oh bullshit.	TM99	Aug 2015	#103
that is the bullshit	dsc	Aug 2015	#105
You continue to distort reality	TM99	Aug 2015	#107
If he was in support of marriage equality in 1996	dsc	Aug 2015	#108
He voted against DOMA.	TM99	Aug 2015	#113
No it doesn't	dsc	Aug 2015	#117
I am done playing your stupid little games.	TM99	Aug 2015	#118
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2015	#106
except that is proven to be a left wing smear job	dsc	Aug 2015	#109
Who is "we"?	RichVRichV	Aug 2015	#116
No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#127
You seem to be having a sad over Bernie's better and longer record than	Zorra	Aug 2015	#94
Geeze you're being a nit picker	Armstead	Aug 2015	#119
No, but...	damonm	Aug 2015	#21
I have no problem with Sanders letter	dsc	Aug 2015	#35
Are you saying there isn't any evidence Bernie supported same sex marriage in the past?	Thinkingabout	Aug 2015	#3
yeah pretty much	dsc	Aug 2015	#5
I have not spent a lot of time checking on the claim given here but I did not find any evidence	Thinkingabout	Aug 2015	#20
Color me shocked. I didn't really look, and I didn't notice anything either.	Ed Suspicious	Aug 2015	#53
You didn't manage to find 1972 with "a lot of time checking"?	jeff47	Aug 2015	#61
Nice try: Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago	Zorra	Aug 2015	#6
I've never seen that claim, what I have seen is that he supported lgbt rights for decades.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#7
On the subject of research	dsc	Aug 2015	#8
No, I meant the research you didn't do when you constructed your straw man.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#12
this endless attempt to justify Hillary's questionable record is just embarassing	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#15
I notice not one substantive comment on my takedown of the huffington post piece	dsc	Aug 2015	#17
no name calling, this is just a waste of time	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#24
It is embarrassing.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#26
yeah the hiv travel ban is minuta	dsc	Aug 2015	#29
It's a good thing you edited your post.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#33
a don't care about any particular article	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#40
It depends on what the meaning of restriction is	dsc	Aug 2015	#43
no reasonable person could read the following....	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#44
yeah they pretty much could and did	dsc	Aug 2015	#46
the point is about what Bernie believed	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#55
then he would have written that	dsc	Aug 2015	#57
Lets abolish ALL laws which attempt to impose a particular brand of morality or "right" on people.	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#59
because marriage isn't sexual behavior	dsc	Aug 2015	#60
there are two separate sentences	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#64
"Bernie embraced same-sex marriage fewer decades before Hillary"	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2015	#10
actually it might not even be decades at all	dsc	Aug 2015	#13
"These are not the Droids you are looking for."	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2015	#19
that doesn't apply to marriage equality	dsc	Aug 2015	#23
What prevented "gay marriage" in 1972?	jeff47	Aug 2015	#62
a definiton not a separate law	dsc	Aug 2015	#65
The definition was based on sexual orientation.	jeff47	Aug 2015	#68
the best I have found for him is 2009	dsc	Aug 2015	#70
No, your goal is to "help" your candidate.	jeff47	Aug 2015	#73
It isn't evidence when every single solitary straight person who cast the same vote he did	dsc	Aug 2015	#75
Again, what was the position where you oppose both "gay marriage" and DOMA?	jeff47	Aug 2015	#80
Read the link I provided	dsc	Aug 2015	#81
Because the concept of a summary is difficult?	jeff47	Aug 2015	#83
I don't do summaries due to then, I am sure, being accused of slanting said summaries	dsc	Aug 2015	#101
Here: Read it, and weep for your lost cause.	Zorra	Aug 2015	#22
I will try this very slowly	dsc	Aug 2015	#28
yes	Rosa Luxemburg	Aug 2015	#14
Yeah I already discussed that hot mess of a piece but here you go again	dsc	Aug 2015	#18
There is no end to this sort of thing	BainsBane	Aug 2015	#27
What sort of thing?	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#30
She has responsibility for her own statements in support of sentencing, welfare reform, etc.	jeff47	Aug 2015	#66
Sanders mentions one of the Family's events on his website	BainsBane	Aug 2015	#72
So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.	jeff47	Aug 2015	#76
That was outstanding.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#84
Brilliant post, Bains. Mahalo!	Cha	Aug 2015	#92
We've got a movement for civil rights going on right now in America	BainsBane	Aug 2015	#93
Yes, For Michael Brown, the hundreds since, and the hundreds before~	Cha	Aug 2015	#95
Jus like the 2007 candidate of "hardworking people, white people"? n/t	eridani	Aug 2015	#97
K & R & bookmarked. Thanks for the research. nt	SunSeeker	Aug 2015	#31
Hillary and Sanders are both on my side on this.	NCTraveler	Aug 2015	#36
I agree with that	dsc	Aug 2015	#42
What change did she make?	jeff47	Aug 2015	#69
she got state to let gay spouses travel on diplomatic passports	dsc	Aug 2015	#74
Thank you for this dsc.	NCTraveler	Aug 2015	#41
Has Bernie ever not supported marriage equality?	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#50
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2015	#54
bernie is not the perfect saint his fans make him out to be. And, they've done him no favors pushing	Cha	Aug 2015	#71
the song of hillary supporters in relation to Bernie...	virtualobserver	Aug 2015	#87
Bernie didn't stand up and recite, from memory,	delrem	Aug 2015	#82
How much do they care?	NCTraveler	Aug 2015	#88
"It's amazing what campaigns will bring out of people ... Sometimes, their real self shines..	Cha	Aug 2015	#90
Another day, another hit piece.	TM99	Aug 2015	#91
Bernie Sanders, 1983: “It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom	Zorra	Aug 2015	#96
Don't let the "article" in the op fool you.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#98
Do you have a link for that	dsc	Aug 2015	#102
Here	Zorra	Aug 2015	#110
fair enough doesn't specificaly mention marriage but is a good statement	dsc	Aug 2015	#115
His support preceded hers, and came at a time when it wans't yet "safe" to give it.	Betty Karlson	Aug 2015	#99
actually his support did predate hers	dsc	Aug 2015	#104
Everything has its time. It takes a long time to lay the groundwork for social change.	Zorra	Aug 2015	#120
yes gay people had nothing to do with it it was all Bernie	dsc	Aug 2015	#123
How deliberately obtuse, and deceitful.	Zorra	Aug 2015	#125
You had to work hard to find	LWolf	Aug 2015	#111
actually I found that by accident while looking for something else	dsc	Aug 2015	#112
Does opposing DOMA, voting against it	LWolf	Aug 2015	#114
the important thing is now Libya and Honduras are gay paradises after her intervention	MisterP	Aug 2015	#121
and they were before	dsc	Aug 2015	#122
Unrecommended to the max.	Enthusiast	Aug 2015	#124
+100000000	Zorra	Aug 2015	#126
So a 15 year old non-answer is the best you got?	Motown_Johnny	Aug 2015	#128
Where is the around 2000?	dsc	Aug 2015	#129
Isn't that article from 1/26/2000?	Motown_Johnny	Aug 2015	#130

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