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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Supporters - Please read my post [View all]scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)457. You've posted some good things in this thread, but you really stepped in it here:
But what Bernie supporters are trying to get across to the AA community...
The AA community does not give a rip about what "Bernie supporters are trying to get across to the AA community", they want Bernie supporters to listen to THEM.
This white privileged attitude - that if white folks just keep explaining what they think will help the black folks, those black folks will eventually "get it" - is the core of the disconnect.
It's paternalistic, condescending, disrespectful, and totally dismissive of the possibility that white folks just might have something to learn from the AA community - if only they would get off their white privileged high horse long enough to actually LISTEN to what the AA community has to tell them.
All the resistance I've seen from Bernie supporters to the message in the bravenak's OP comes from this place of presuming to know, better than the AA community knows, about what's good for them. And the refusal to consider that there might be something to learn from the AA community.
As long as there's no listening happening, it just demonstrates disrespect and dismissal. Why should people who are not being respected, who are being dismissed, who are not being listened to and their messages heeded, who are brushed off as if they had nothing to teach, give any respect or bother listening to what you have to say?
The fact that we have just one mouth but two ears ought to be a constant reminder that we need to listen twice as much as we speak.
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All I really see from Hillary supporters, boiled down, is Bernie cannot win so if I don't
djean111
Aug 2015
#1
I like your post, Bravenak. I wish we could have more rational discussions about
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#80
Yes, I do see that in your post. And I appreciate it. It is true that people will
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#98
I agree with what you are saying - I love President Obama - but how do we approach issues
jwirr
Aug 2015
#93
Thank you for a very deep and thought provoking OP. If you haven't already I think you
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#213
If I wasn't so busy in real life, with my daughters autism and other family issues, I would.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#308
Maybe liking me is just not for you. I'll try my BEST to survive this deadly blow.nt
bravenak
Aug 2015
#353
Bernie's successful Burlington, VT waterfront Campaign Kickoff event occurred
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#345
I was responding to 142 where you say if people perceive Bernie to be behind the curve, it's
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#352
Sanders has never said that he was the candidate of "hardwoking people, white people"
eridani
Aug 2015
#398
If you look at the response of the candidates to the issue since the protest...
stone space
Aug 2015
#284
Huh. So if Bernie campaigns more directly and effectively to AA voters, he's "selling out" and
scarletwoman
Aug 2015
#289
I'm not speaking to all black voters. I am speaking in direct response to your post.
cui bono
Aug 2015
#246
I never demanded anything. I simply stated that I thought your sig is divisive and so I wouldn't
cui bono
Aug 2015
#270
Interesting, one of the most ardent Sanders supporters had very nice and pleasant...
George II
Aug 2015
#433
I think your taking the OP the wrong way. The OPs view, rightly or wrongly is that Hillary appears
still_one
Aug 2015
#13
It is both. Bernie doesn't run his campaign in a vacuum. In the Netroots/BLM town hall, if you
still_one
Aug 2015
#28
SBS has addressed law enforcement abuses against AAs through calls for better 'community policing',
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#143
All of that and how Bernie has been addressing the needs of black Americans through
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#87
I think Bernie's doing a good job of putting the truth out there. Rumors can't stop him.
senz
Aug 2015
#196
Bravenak, I have NEVER put down Barack Obama. I defend him online and in person. ALWAYS.
senz
Aug 2015
#327
"We know the Clintons...they made terrible decisions...those facts..." < "responsiveness". eek!
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#155
The GOP invented ' Citizens United ' so they could slander Hillary, Ugly?
orpupilofnature57
Aug 2015
#341
I responded to you in the other thread, Don;t know if I should post it here or not.
Raine1967
Aug 2015
#20
Aloha brave, 1st of all, thank you for your OP..I, of course, really like this part.. you know I do!
Cha
Aug 2015
#265
Yeah. I always try to get along with her regardless. She is VERY passionate. Very.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#269
Bravenak, please read my post just below Cha's after this one of yours
passiveporcupine
Aug 2015
#379
He's running as in a dem primary because he does not want Dem's to lose
passiveporcupine
Aug 2015
#364
it's also weird so many people missed the point that you want to take AA votes FROM Hillary
carolinayellowdog
Aug 2015
#214
"she listens to what is going on and jumps right in to say the right thing." REALLY?
senz
Aug 2015
#184
The worst I've seen from supporters attacking black people online has been on Twitter, not here.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2015
#43
Just type Twitter, or poke at one of those little bluebirds you see here and there, and
MADem
Aug 2015
#209
You should follow people who are supportive of BLM, I have been following them and
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#91
I'm still fairly new to it myself, and I'm sure I don't have it properly configured.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2015
#210
Thank you for this post. I think open, reality based discussion is key to progress.
DLnyc
Aug 2015
#22
Bernie will strengthen on issues for black people, as he has for all through his 40 year career.
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#187
I think we Bernie supporters could also learn a lot from Obama on issues of race.
jalan48
Aug 2015
#41
I actually would like for him to step up even more. And I fully expect him to as the end of his term
jwirr
Aug 2015
#156
Yes, he's in a position to actually do something. He would be listened to by all Democrats.
jalan48
Aug 2015
#164
As someone who will wear Bernie's credentials on Election Day, if he is the nominee, I appreciate
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#56
I will not hesitate to vote for him, and I will not hesitate to work on his behalf for voter
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#60
Me too. I will do what I need to do for the nominee, regardless. I'm cool like that.nt
bravenak
Aug 2015
#63
Sorry but that's bullshit. Your response proved that it's impossible to be "nice enough" for you
Armstead
Aug 2015
#106
Are you done being nasty yet, or do you need to go on for a few more posts to prove my point?
bravenak
Aug 2015
#170
Why would I give a damn if a candidate gets into office if they are handcuffed into continuing
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#219
But only the same some that was coming anyway. If Sanders has to be Rubinesque Clintonite
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#330
This is more of an emotional appeal and a request for a change in the way things are discussed.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#332
I don't see how that works short term to somehow win the nomination without a case for running
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#423
I don't see it as an attack. Seeing some of the paternalistic sermons from my fellow Sandernists...
marble falls
Aug 2015
#67
If we don't face truth and start sticking together its going to be too late at some point. We'll ...
marble falls
Aug 2015
#115
Obama is a hard if not impossible act to follow-- which needs to be openly discussed
carolinayellowdog
Aug 2015
#72
I do not have to agree to think an opinion was expressed in a respectful manner awesomely.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#123
Interesting post, esp. how you note that people distinguish between pride in Pres. Obama's
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#207
I've got major issues with the idea that anything Obama has done must be supported and adopted
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#85
I'm all for building on the positive but there is a lot of shut up and embrace the negative in there
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#362
It is a universal mystery that I need to keep secret or the world might explode.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#139
I'd very much like Bernie to win the nomination. That's why I hate seeing his supposed supporters
scarletwoman
Aug 2015
#198
"Go jump in a lake"... Wow.. you are so clever! How do they stand your cleverness?!
Cha
Aug 2015
#351
""Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results." unk. n/t
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#177
I enjoyed your post very much, and really appreciate the time and thought and effort you have taken
LiberalAndProud
Aug 2015
#189
You know, it IS possible to express a dissenting view without including a gratuitous insult
scarletwoman
Aug 2015
#221
Pyou don't think black folks have had to shut up about their issues and just vote for the democrat?
bravenak
Aug 2015
#226
LGBTers were berated in this fashion in the past several elections. You are deeply wrong here.
Prism
Aug 2015
#365
I'm sorry, but comparing yourselves to an oppressed community is off putting.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#369
I agree with you completely. (except for the 'good OP' part since I won't read it with that sig)
cui bono
Aug 2015
#235
I'd like to ask you a question. I know you post in the AA forum that your lean toward Bernie...
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#206
Not to annoy, but it appears the Obamas and Hillary are not at odds in these pictures:
freshwest
Aug 2015
#453
Well, I hope the expessions in those photos are sincere. Am sure you know about "politics and
senz
Aug 2015
#455
I think an OP explaining why you like Bernie for his policies (not simply not liking HRC for her's)
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#243
I appreciate your thoughts here. But the differences between Sanders supporters
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#216
I don't think it will be a problem. Sen Sanders offers honesty and integrity. His
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#285
bravenak, I like you, I don't like your sig. It's divisive. When you change it I'll read your OP.
cui bono
Aug 2015
#225
I got enough lectures on civil rights from white liberals to last a lifetime. No more.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#233
I do not dislike you. I dislike what you are saying on DU lately and your sig line, though as I said
cui bono
Aug 2015
#258
Girl..sigh* I want to appreciate your time and efforts. But I really don't understand why you bother
Number23
Aug 2015
#230
But you said those nasty things and hurt my feelings. I was wrong about you and number23 was right.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#277
That does sadden me, Really your an intelligent courageous person, but fundamental condescension,,
orpupilofnature57
Aug 2015
#333
I respect and valueD their insight, but Will exercise Free Speech without apology, sorry . Capital D
orpupilofnature57
Aug 2015
#340
No lots of other gods and goddesses here with me. And lots of peons looking up from below
Number23
Aug 2015
#371
I think the OP is spot on, and the Bernie Sanders campaign needs to SHAPE UP
cloudythescribbler
Aug 2015
#319
I am marking this so I can come back later and post a full reply, after I get back home.
bravenak
Aug 2015
#326
This primary is going to be about the harm of Neo-Liberalism, and that's where He wins .
orpupilofnature57
Aug 2015
#337
Thank you. Yes, the destruction that began with Ronald Reagan and continued through every
YOHABLO
Aug 2015
#339
You've posted some good things in this thread, but you really stepped in it here:
scarletwoman
Aug 2015
#457
bravenak, thank you so much for this elucidating post. You helped ME to understand
DebJ
Aug 2015
#363
I never forget that!!! It was the best funniest stuff that ever happened on DU since;
bravenak
Aug 2015
#397
I have seen plenty of that sort of "talking down" to blacks, Latinos and women.
Vattel
Aug 2015
#430
Blaming this exploding racism on a Black man makes one look stupid AND racist.
DonCoquixote
Aug 2015
#475
I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate what you are doing, bravenak.
hedda_foil
Aug 2015
#456
I'm so glad. I hope you'll send him the link to this whole amazing thread right away.
hedda_foil
Aug 2015
#463
which candidate is speaking about issues of importance to black people?
noiretextatique
Aug 2015
#480