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karynnj

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14. I watched the various administartion people speak - and they were NOT speaking

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:12 PM

Nov 2013

of troops on the ground -- and that is why in the London press conference Kerry spoke of Assad giving up his weapons as a far better alternative.

As to sleaze - it was the entire montage of claims that he said he did - when I know he didn't. I would have no problem with an honest claim that he spoke for progressives against any strikes on Syria. That is true. However, it would not have resulted in Syria giving up the weapons and it likely would not have stopped the President.

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Hey, We Progressives Won Something. [View all] Alan Grayson Nov 2013 OP

Utterly shameless and sleazy karynnj Nov 2013 #1

No credit to Obama or Kerry. Okay, cool, it is what it is. We're used to this. freshwest Nov 2013 #3

Kerry and Obama were very much involved in the agreement karynnj Nov 2013 #4

alan wants to take credit and raise dough from it. nt dionysus Nov 2013 #21

karnnnj, 'angry,' 'missing.' You must have missed my plethora of BOG posts on this... freshwest Nov 2013 #41

What? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #6

Nothing Grayson did had anything to do with Syria giving up chemical weapons karynnj Nov 2013 #7

Oh, I see now RobertEarl Nov 2013 #11

Who said anything about drones - I spoke about him claiming credit for Syria karynnj Nov 2013 #12

Alan says : WE did this RobertEarl Nov 2013 #17

I far prefered Kerry's and Lavrov's diplomacy karynnj Nov 2013 #23

Nice dancing RobertEarl Nov 2013 #29

Alan's plan was to do nothing, Obama and Kerry were the ones who used diplomacy karynnj Nov 2013 #39

the BOG attempts to elevate the president by bashing liberals. Grayson and FDR are frequent Doctor_J Nov 2013 #58

^^^THis^^^^ bvar22 Nov 2013 #65

Agree. Bashing progressives who speak out boldy bums me out. Sad to see that kind of response here.. think Nov 2013 #68

Ha ha ha - Grayson is no FDR - not even close karynnj Nov 2013 #73

Except that the Fan Club uses both as targets Doctor_J Nov 2013 #113

"the fan club"??? karynnj Nov 2013 #114

Be Free to make up your own facts. zappaman Nov 2013 #112

If Syria did a targeted attack on our country, wouldn't that be war? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #104

and that thing that happened in british parliament? yeh, that never happened.. frylock Nov 2013 #80

How did that lead to getting rid of the weapons? nt karynnj Nov 2013 #84

i think it proved to be pretty signifigant in slamming the brakes on the rush to war.. frylock Nov 2013 #109

No I think what pisses them off is not praising Obama for everything zeemike Nov 2013 #9

+100 LiberalLovinLug Nov 2013 #63

These BOG'ers or whatever, make my head spin. On one hand they deride progressives rhett o rick Nov 2013 #81

Yep...n/t just a kick for Grayson. zeemike Nov 2013 #86

The underside of that bus is the only place decent folks should ever want to be TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #115

The Pentagon was clear that to neutralize chemical weapons stocks by force Maedhros Nov 2013 #8

I watched the various administartion people speak - and they were NOT speaking karynnj Nov 2013 #14

Not following your logic. Maedhros Nov 2013 #24

That has nothing to do with what I am saying karynnj Nov 2013 #26

I think you're being a bit unfair. Maedhros Nov 2013 #45

Was it a progressive victory or was it an Obama administration victory? karynnj Nov 2013 #49

Relatively mild criticism? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #76

I was not all that happy that we might attack karynnj Nov 2013 #82

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #87

"baby ideas" karynnj Nov 2013 #91

Awww, you haz a sad RobertEarl Nov 2013 #95

Obama and Kerry were working diplomatically way before Grayson spoke up karynnj Nov 2013 #97

You have that correct RobertEarl Nov 2013 #98

"haz a sad" That sounds really intelligent karynnj Nov 2013 #102

Oh but we muz be nice to war mongers! If we're just nice enough long enough Ace Acme Nov 2013 #107

Grayson also said 'Let Allah sort them Out' Whisp Nov 2013 #10

What's with all this trash talk? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #13

and I say WTF is wrong with someone who uses Let Allah Sort them Out... Whisp Nov 2013 #15

I see what you are doing RobertEarl Nov 2013 #20

"slander" - for repeating his words?? karynnj Nov 2013 #27

WTF think Nov 2013 #32

Very seriously! nt karynnj Nov 2013 #57

Sorry. I do give credit to Obama, Kerry, & Hagel but to denigrate Grayson's efforts think Nov 2013 #67

I'll stop posting on this because I am beating a dead horse karynnj Nov 2013 #90

I agree. Beacool Nov 2013 #55

And Libya has turned out so well. bvar22 Nov 2013 #66

Gosh, to read that 2007 statement, you'd almost think the Senator had read the constitution! nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #108

"Utterly shameless and sleazy"....to dis such a hard-working representative. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2013 #64

Lets NOT forget this twisted rationalization via Kerry & Obama: bvar22 Nov 2013 #70

Kerry made a distinction between a targeted bombing of military facilities karynnj Nov 2013 #79

...and the entire World laughed because... bvar22 Nov 2013 #105

send money. just like a fundy preacher lol nt msongs Nov 2013 #2

jesus christ, i agree with you on something... dionysus Nov 2013 #19

Ya avoiding wars is so like a fundy,,,,,,, think Nov 2013 #34

It is cause to celebrate! libodem Nov 2013 #5

Yes, we won something. I'm glad for that and won't begrudge credit where it's due. ancianita Nov 2013 #16

"now send me 25 bucks a month for me reelection campaign!" dionysus Nov 2013 #18

Your sig line RobertEarl Nov 2013 #25

1) i wrote my sig line 2) still just a fundraising ploy by Alan dionysus Nov 2013 #40

Um... and you'd rather see him with less money than his GOP opponent? calimary Nov 2013 #60

I was just watching Rachel...two of the largest critics of PBO...one was the Whirlpool spawn, libdem4life Nov 2013 #22

Libdem4life - Wish I could rec your remarks n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #30

Thank you. libdem4life Nov 2013 #38

Hear! Hear! ReRe Nov 2013 #42

most sensible post in this thread noiretextatique Nov 2013 #53

Alan never stop speaking the truth because that is what "they" fear the most Botany Nov 2013 #28

The Republicans would have lied us into another $6,000,000,000,000.00 war ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #31

Rule #1 with Conservatives: Never admit you are wrong... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

I wished LittleGirl Nov 2013 #35

i read this and cheered JanT Nov 2013 #36

I love you Alan... ReRe Nov 2013 #37

K&R bobduca Nov 2013 #43

Congressman Grayson in my opinion blue14u Nov 2013 #44

Yet people here wonder why the Republicans win so many times, truedelphi Nov 2013 #46

absolutely! noiretextatique Nov 2013 #54

The Neo-Con chickenhawks will have their war Enthusiast Nov 2013 #47

Maybe you missed that the US/Russia got a resolution that removed the chemical weapons karynnj Nov 2013 #50

I didn't miss a thing. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #69

Kicked and recommended. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #48

Heads up, Pronto! ReRe Nov 2013 #51

K&R rudolph the red Nov 2013 #52

We definitely won this one. Now on to the fight against the TPP. Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #56

aren't the cia still training rebels in syria? questionseverything Nov 2013 #61

They were never training them in Syria - karynnj Nov 2013 #92

ok training them for syria questionseverything Nov 2013 #101

Might make a good 60 Minutes story... 4_TN_TITANS Nov 2013 #59

Hmmmm . . . Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #62

I give the President credit for his handling of this matter. Laelth Nov 2013 #71

Grayson for President!!!! n/t SmittynMo Nov 2013 #72

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #74

"Let's celebrate peace"? WHAT peace? ucrdem Nov 2013 #75

Simple: Not Iraq RobertEarl Nov 2013 #77

Look, the war is far from over, and Syria is being bombed regularly. ucrdem Nov 2013 #78

It is a Syrian civil war RobertEarl Nov 2013 #83

The point is that the job is far from finished and this OP is badly misinformed. ucrdem Nov 2013 #85

That's what the warmongers all say RobertEarl Nov 2013 #88

There IS no peace and I find the OP misleading and frankly offensive, sorry. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #89

Of course you do!! RobertEarl Nov 2013 #93

What BS - Alan Grayson FORCED Obama and Kerry to use diplomacy karynnj Nov 2013 #94

We forced Obama RobertEarl Nov 2013 #96

No one "forced" Obama and Kerry to use diplomacy karynnj Nov 2013 #99

Calling out the president? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #100

What about asking Grayson to lead on Iran - to help diplomacy there karynnj Nov 2013 #106

Yes - it's not necessary to actually criticize or insult Obama to drive the BOG mad. Maedhros Nov 2013 #110

I'm still holding my breath for Act 2. CFLDem Nov 2013 #103

May you can help avoid a possible Act 2 starring Iran, by helping give diplomacy a chance karynnj Nov 2013 #116

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #111