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CobaltBlue

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31. My bet: traditional pattern will hold
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:24 AM
Apr 2012

In 2008, over 130 million votes were cast for president of the United States. The White House flipped from Republican to Democratic as George W. Bush insured John McCain's loss to Barack Obama. Raw votes margin was an est. 9.5 million. Obama received 52.92%; McCain generated 45.66%. Margin in the popular voter: D+7.26.

Since the 1990s, Republicans haven't won the presidency with a margin exceeding George W. Bush's R+2.46 (historically the lowest for a [re-elected] incumbent) from 2004. He did not win the popular vote in 2000.

The Republicans' victories in the 1970s and 1980s were a minimum national margin of R+7.73 (for 1988 George Bush) and 426 electoral votes (1988 Bush). The base for the party was going to the south. The north was underperforming (or at least trending away from the GOP).

In 1988, when Bush won Ronald Reagan's third term, he underperformed in states that used to be the base for the GOP. And they are among the Top 10 in population: No. 1 California (R+3.57), No. 5 Pennsylvania (R+2.32), and No. 6 Illinois (R+2.08). Michigan was, in that election, No. 1 for closely reflecting the percentage of his popular vote: R+7.90, a spread of just 0.17 (which helps to explain why, even to this day, Mich. is presumed by too many to be a battleground when, in reality, it moved over to base state status for the Democratic Party).

The underperformances in those states made it real easy for Bill Clinton to flip them, plus likeminded vote states (such as New Jersey, Connecticut, and Maine), over to the Democratic Party. Regularly. In fact, those states — along with ex-bellwether Delaware, Maryland, and Vermont (which voted for all GOPs from 1856 to 1988 except for 1964 Barry Goldwater) — have not once voted for a Republican presidential candidate. Nor have the 1988 Democratic pickups, for Michael Dukakais, that were — along with his home state of Massachusetts — Hawaii (which has been GOP only for 49-state landslide re-elections of 1972 Richard Nixon and 1984 Reagan), New York, Oregon, Rhode Island (voting the same since 1960 as Obama's birth state), and Washington. And since 1992, one of the other states — Iowa — has been remarkable in reflecting in margins at a statewide level vs. the national outcome.

So, all this means is the following: structurally, the Democrats, not the Republicans, have the electoral advantage: states that haven't voted for a GOP once since the 1980s (add to the list Minnesota and, Democratic in all since first participation in 1964, District of Columbia) add up to 242 electoral votes. (Rendering the GOP nowadays unable to reach 300, let alone 400, in the Electoral College.) Add three states that had carried for Bush just once (and whose margins tilt Democratic): Iowa (6), New Hampshire (4), and New Mexico (5). That's a total of 257 electoral votes, down from the 2000s allocation of 264. But along with bellwether N.M., rising bellwether Ia., consider that Virginia and Colorado may be the new big bellwether states on the block. 2008 pickups were as follows: Va. was D+6.30. Colo was 8.95. They were Nos. 1 and 2 in closely mirroring Obama's national outcome of D+7.26. Ia., also a pickup, was D+9.54, completing the trio most close in margins with state vs. national outcomes. All three highly likely will vote again for the presidential winner of the 2012 contest. And N.H., at D+9.61, likely will do so as well.

Looking at past presidential elections which resulted in an incumbent winning re-election: all but 1916 Woodrow Wilson increased their score in the Electoral College. Wilson, in 1912: 435 (of available 531). Wilson, in 1916: 277. Back then the Republicans imploded in 1912, with party nod battle that brewed between incumbent William Howard Taft and predecessor Teddy Roosevelt. Taft won in 1908; Teddy four years earlier. Once it was over, Taft was reduced to just two of his 1908 states for carriage in 1912: Utah and Vermont. Teddy flipped six of Taft's 1908 states into his Progressive Party column: California, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington. Wilson won all 1908 states which carried for losing Democrat William Jennings Bryan … and then flipped all others which had voted for 1908 Taft. As a bonus: New Mexico and Arizona, brand new states (Nos. 47 and 48), voted for the first time and carried for Wilson. All 1916, when Wilson was nearly unseated, meant was that the Republicans stabilized and competed.

I believe traditional voting patterns will remain. If Mitt Romney unseats Barack Obama, he would carry all states in the column of 2008's losing Republican, John McCain, and then string together victory with Va., with Colo., with Ia., and other 2008 Obama/Democratic pickups: New Mexico (D+15.13), Nevada (D+12.55), Ohio (D+4.59), Florida (D+2.81), Indiana (D+1.03), and North Carolina (D+0.33). Add to it N.H., a John Kerry/Obama state. And include Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District, since redrawn, which Obama flipped at D+1.19. (It votes like Indiana.)

If Obama wins re-election, it's a matter of two scenarios: Does he become the fifth two-term winner, since we've been on a Republican-vs.-Democratic party system, not to give up a single state from his first election? (Applicable were 1864 Abraham Lincoln; 1936 Franklin Roosevelt; 1972 Richard Nixon; 1984 Ronald Reagan.) Or does he engage in a little trading of colors? Give up, say, one his nine pickups and win over at least two from 2008 Team Red? If that is the case, I'd say N.C. is a better bet to hold than Ind. Why? Ind. votes like Neb. #02, Nebraska statewide, Kansas, and both North Dakota and South Dakota. In fact, from 1920 to 2004, the five voted the same. Usually with no greater than a 10-point margin between Ind. and most of those other four in the plains. N.C., on the other hand, voted for all winning Democrats except for 1990s Bill Clinton. And the demographics may suggest there it, along with Va., are picking up the slack for former bellwether states Tennessee and Kentucky. Ohio, on the other hand, is the nation's longest-running bellwether state … and Florida votes just like it.

Okay, so Ind. and Nebraska would end up on Team Red for Mitt Romney.

For the pickups going to Team Blue: choose a minimum of two of the following four between Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, and Montana. Why? Margins, from 2008, but also the gender voting results. Of Obama's 28 states, he carried males along with females in 25. (The exceptions: Colorado, nearly a statistical tie; Ind.; and N.C.) But of the 22 states that held for McCain, only his home state are among the four in which he won both genders. But his performance with men was his second weakest among the holds (45% voted for Obama) compared to declining bellwether Mo. (48% voted for Obama). Ariz.'s men were one point better than Mont. (44% voted for Obama). And Obama won over females in Ga. (54%; males were 40%); Mont. (51%); and Mo. (50%).

Electoral vote increase: start off with 365 electoral votes but reallocate them (applicable for Elections 2012, 2016, 2020) to 359. Lose Ind. and Neb. #02. That's 347. Win over Ariz. (11) and Ga. (16), for 374. Or win over Mo. and Ga., for 373. Or win over Mont., in addition to two of the other three, for upper-370s. (Mo. and Mont. have incumbent, freshman Senate Democrats — Claire McCaskill and Jon Tester — trying to win second terms. I imagine Obama will help them … and try to help himself to flip both states.)

Plenty of speculation will be offered over the next six [plus] months. (Mine, below, are the minimum levels for both the incumbent and challenger.)

http://ElectoralMap.net/2012/myPrediction.php?d=qfispbr0jauarskuq

We can only hope ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #1
The OP might be under-estimating the power of the SUPERPAC lacrew Apr 2012 #5
This will affect down card races. mabuhayp Apr 2012 #32
Welcome to DU, mabuhayp! cyberswede Apr 2012 #33
+1. mabuhayp, why don't you create a journal for your song. gkhouston Apr 2012 #34
Thank you for your advice! mabuhayp Apr 2012 #36
man, I hope you are right veganlush Apr 2012 #2
Obama by 30 million pre-Diebold. Less after, just like in 2008. Scuba Apr 2012 #3
Just wait til the money starts flowing. rgbecker Apr 2012 #4
that's what i think too. barbtries Apr 2012 #6
that is what I thought in 2003. Then I became acutely aware that this was bbgrunt Apr 2012 #7
I think so too ... the media is going to try to keep it close, mainly to save their own jobs. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #8
Bush's REAL margin of victory in 2000 was 1 vote... lastlib Apr 2012 #19
Exactly. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #23
problem with UE rate is that supposedly, I have heard a number of pundits say, is Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #30
Well, the media will spin the debates. joshcryer Apr 2012 #9
Did anyone in the media (excepting Fox) claim that McCain "won" a debate? brooklynite Apr 2012 #21
Even with all the voter suppression? polichick Apr 2012 #10
Here's a prediction map I saw recently Tx4obama Apr 2012 #11
i don't see a landslide, but - Tax Man Apr 2012 #12
I'm afraid that Obama's landslide will be undermined by voter suppression, i.e. TheDebbieDee Apr 2012 #13
Since a pro stem cell initiative won a few years before, I thought Obama might actually win MO in 08 MatthewStLouis Apr 2012 #22
I'm not worried about Obama. progressoid Apr 2012 #14
right Cosmocat Apr 2012 #39
Obama is my first choice susanlinch Apr 2012 #15
I hope you are right bigdarryl Voice for Peace Apr 2012 #16
I don't think so. Antoniac123 Apr 2012 #17
right, what states that he did not win the last time Cosmocat Apr 2012 #40
Isn't it obvious what's going on? sofa king Apr 2012 #18
K & R. Make it so. FSogol Apr 2012 #20
It's up to us to make it so. great white snark Apr 2012 #26
I hope so Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #24
Romney is just a gaffe machine. It never ends. Alexander Apr 2012 #25
I totally agree Mosaic Apr 2012 #27
Tight elections mean higher viewership...its in the interests of the networks that this be a close Rowdyboy Apr 2012 #28
I love the way you think, BigDarryl. I personally don't see how Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #29
Or to have Michelle tell the story of how he sings to her "all the time" as she did on Letterman. CTyankee Apr 2012 #37
lol. I don't think anything would help him..after hearing him sing Davy Crockett King of the Wild Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #41
It wasn't my favorite example but I'm too old to understand the charm of "slow jam" I guess... CTyankee Apr 2012 #42
The thing about Romney it's not just his choice of song (like you said, Oldie) it is that it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #43
And, IMO, he never will. My guess is that he'll go on stepping in it over and over again and CTyankee Apr 2012 #45
My bet: traditional pattern will hold CobaltBlue Apr 2012 #31
Holy moley....did you write all this off the top of your head? Impressive ! thanks. nt Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #44
They have alienated every major voting bloc except white men. jillan Apr 2012 #35
Then make sure you get out there and work for it and don't take it for granted. WI_DEM Apr 2012 #38
From your lips to God's ears Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2012 #46
I see no way that the NeoCons would be able to rig this one at all. prefunk Apr 2012 #47
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