2016 Postmortem

Whisp

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76. I don't recall any other candidate with that amount of certainty they will win.

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:54 PM

Feb 2013

Can't think of one of these that was so over confident. If you have something to show me, please do.

And another point that pretty well proves the inevitability factor in the Clinton campaign: they didn't really think past Super Tuesday, did they? It was all supposed to be wrapped up with a bow for Hillary by then.

So I'm not convinced at all that it was others that started this inevitability thing.

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Top Democrat: Hillary Clinton Would “Clear The Field” In 2016 [View all] DonViejo Feb 2013 OP

I think he is probably right. WI_DEM Feb 2013 #1

At this moment in time, I agree - but the same was said in 2005 about Hillary Clinton karynnj Feb 2013 #36

Probably right NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #2

Just like she did last time! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #3

Yes! SheilaT Feb 2013 #5

Last time, she hadn't had the historically second most powerful job in the country. stevenleser Feb 2013 #7

And the winner was a Senator whose legislative record in DC was shorter than hers... Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #8

I didn't say that that is why she was rejected. stevenleser Feb 2013 #10

The actual outcome of the election cycle suggests that the modest record in the Senate Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #13

I dont think you can say that, no. There is only one conclusion you can draw from 2008 IMHO stevenleser Feb 2013 #18

Speaking superficially... MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #11

You can pretend she won't win if she runs, but you will in fact be pretending. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #12

That's what they said to a guy named Barack Obama. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #14

I never said it to or about Barack Obama. I never thought she was unbeatable in 2008. stevenleser Feb 2013 #16

Yeah, you also put down others as 'superficial' while making a specious point yourself. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #19

LOL, there is nothing specious about the many reasons I have given you. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #20

Which is what made Mr. Leser's point highly entertaining. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #29

Obama had the advantage of being right on Iraq. dkf Feb 2013 #65

Well. That settles it. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #15

Janet Napolitano for Vice President. graham4anything Feb 2013 #30

She was also first lady to an extremely popular President and played an active role... Hippo_Tron Feb 2013 #35

I'm sorry Steve I have to agree with Manny on this one davidpdx Feb 2013 #40

I never said that last time, I didn't believe it. Your blaming me for other people's opinions stevenleser Feb 2013 #44

I think you and Hoyer are wrong davidpdx Feb 2013 #49

She also ticked off the engineering/IT community because of offshoring and H-1b nt antigop Feb 2013 #53

I never heard about that davidpdx Feb 2013 #54

Here ya go.... antigop Feb 2013 #55

She co-founded the Senate India caucus with JOHN CORNYN! 'nuff said nt antigop Feb 2013 #57

If she gets a restraining order on Mark Penn, we'll know she's serious nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #33

Now that is funny davidpdx Feb 2013 #41

The Dick Morris Award? nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #47

Yes, those two are both toxic davidpdx Feb 2013 #62

She actually got the popular vote. joshcryer Feb 2013 #87

You would swear there was a presidential election this year. marmar Feb 2013 #4

I hope not. NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #6

Hillary "Regime Changer" Clinton endorsed by Steny "Mr. AIPAC" Hoyer. Big Surprise. leveymg Feb 2013 #9

amazing, leveymg, isn't it? nt antigop Feb 2013 #59

Maybe Joe would be up for 8 more years of the Vice Presidency? tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #17

She was supposed to clear the field in 2007 midwest irish Feb 2013 #21

No, it was Condi vs Hillary, remember? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #34

how fantastic midwest irish Feb 2013 #42

" +1" to the "inevitability"meme counter. nt antigop Feb 2013 #22

Dems should wait untill the very last second to tip off Republicans on who will run. Sunlei Feb 2013 #23

It NEVER fails. Beacool Feb 2013 #24

really? DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #27

I wasn't referring to you specifically. Beacool Feb 2013 #45

Obama is more progressive and less hawkish than HRC karynnj Feb 2013 #37

Yeah, the left mostly coalesced around Obama. Beacool Feb 2013 #46

He is center left and there was no viable candidate to the left of him karynnj Feb 2013 #70

For me it really has nothing to do with whether she is progressive enough or not davidpdx Feb 2013 #43

The "inevitability" meme was mostly pushed by the media, back in 2008 and now too. Beacool Feb 2013 #48

I agree that's what we should be focused on davidpdx Feb 2013 #50

it was pushed by Hillary. Whisp Feb 2013 #63

No, it wasn't. Beacool Feb 2013 #74

I don't recall any other candidate with that amount of certainty they will win. Whisp Feb 2013 #76

I agree! zappaman Feb 2013 #25

Hillary Clinton 2016. Our best chance of keeping the White House for another 8 years. Walk away Feb 2013 #26

then the bets will be on when Hillitary goes to war, and with whom and when. guaranteed. Whisp Feb 2013 #38

I don't give a crap whether you like Hillary or not, Beacool Feb 2013 #66

So all non Americans should not have opinions on U.S. policies... Whisp Feb 2013 #71

I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I don't call him names. Beacool Feb 2013 #72

Edwards was called a lot of names, Wiener... all sorts of democrats are called names here Whisp Feb 2013 #75

Saying you can't stand the sight of him is sooooooo much better. AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #78

That's my right, but I don't make up insulting names for him. Beacool Feb 2013 #79

so the millions worldwide that protested the iraq war... Whisp Feb 2013 #77

Biden voted "yes" on the Iraq war as well.. so who does that leave that passes.. Walk away Feb 2013 #67

Hillary45. For the continuation of President Obama's agenda. Simply the best. graham4anything Feb 2013 #28

Let's just swear her in right now. BlueStater Feb 2013 #31

I am grateful to the Clintons warrprayer Feb 2013 #32

Scaife, that was the clinton's arch enemy, supposedly back in Bill's terms? Whisp Feb 2013 #39

indisputable front runners don't always hold it together for one reason or another Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #51

Blah, blah, blah, 2016, blah, blah, blah! longship Feb 2013 #52

it's called the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Feb 2013 #58

Center-right Hoyer says so. Not true at all. David__77 Feb 2013 #56

Here are two more polls so both the left and the right can gripe. Beacool Feb 2013 #60

Not likely. It's certainly possible that she could win the nomination, but I don't think winter is coming Feb 2013 #61

Why is everyone trying so hard to avoid a primary? davidn3600 Feb 2013 #64

The democrats need to nominate the best person that can defeat the teabag thug party workinclasszero Feb 2013 #68

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Governor of Texas 2014. Prettyy Pleasssee, Mrs Clinton we NEED you. Sunlei Feb 2013 #69

Governor of Texas? Beacool Feb 2013 #73

we need Democratic leaders in all the States to get states out of the republican chains of control. Sunlei Feb 2013 #80

Well, maybe Texas will be in play by 2016. Beacool Feb 2013 #81

I want Mrs. Clinton to knock Perry off his perch now, next election. no more years of corruption. Sunlei Feb 2013 #82

There's a little problem, she doesn't live in Texas. Beacool Feb 2013 #83

I'd give her my house for the couple years so she has a place to call her own :) Sunlei Feb 2013 #84

I give up. Beacool Feb 2013 #85

I hope she runs and gets the nomination. joshcryer Feb 2013 #86

I like her, and would likely support her again. Amimnoch Feb 2013 #88