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TwilightGardener

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21. It's partly about Hagel. If the neoconservative movement which still rules the GOP's foreign policy
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:36 AM
Feb 2013

manages to send Hagel to defeat, they'll keep from power one of the few Repubs who says openly that the Iraq war was a terrible mistake and that spreading freedom-n-democracy in the middle east is a bad idea. This way, opposition to war becomes just a political and purely Democratic position, not a true national-interest position. They'll also make him a permanent ugly example of what happens when you disagree with the tactics or demands of certain...lobbies. Think anyone will ever step out of line again, even in the most mild ways? Also, of course, the war machine wants its $$$, and Hagel is a threat to that--he was known to be a pretty effective businessman. But hurting Obama is also a nice two-fer.

Excellent! Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #1
If only Harry Reid could have done something about this... DrToast Feb 2013 #2
I think you're wrong about that. savalez Feb 2013 #23
Harry Reid is Angelo Dundee to President Obama's rope-a-dope. Go Harry! 10 steps ahead. graham4anything Feb 2013 #3
Sickening. The Israel/neocon/MIC lobbies have spoken, and Reid is ineffective. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #4
From what I read Inuca Feb 2013 #7
I hope so--but this is unprecedented because there would normally be TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #8
That is what I am thinking Samantha Feb 2013 #10
Reid wouldn't want that. But the Repubs would love a chance to embarrass them (again). TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
Who could have predicted that the Republicans would filibuster everything? denverbill Feb 2013 #5
I know. octoberlib Feb 2013 #6
Reid must know he has at least 60 votes. As of a week ago, according to CNN:: jenmito Feb 2013 #9
Even when the filibuster is defeated, won't they have to wait weeks for their final vote (don't jenmito Feb 2013 #11
Yep. They're on break from 2/18 - 2/26. octoberlib Feb 2013 #13
Thanks. If they clear the filibuster on Friday, though, they'll only need 51 votes whenever they jenmito Feb 2013 #15
Because not having a Sec of State for a month is so useful. Jennicut Feb 2013 #16
Of course. jenmito Feb 2013 #17
Actually in this case Inuca Feb 2013 #20
It's partly about Hagel. If the neoconservative movement which still rules the GOP's foreign policy TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #21
Not any more Inuca Feb 2013 #19
I always say that the Democrats are their own worst avebury Feb 2013 #12
Yup. Dems should be on TV screaming about this. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #22
Senate Democrats, Accusing G.O.P. of Obstruction, Try to Force Hagel Vote struggle4progress Feb 2013 #18
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