Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
28. Okay, let's consider this from your perspective then...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:19 AM
Feb 2013
So Obama eliminates the Drone Program....and months later there is a vicious attack on americans, here or abroad......Obama would immediately be put in a Lame duck situation, Republicans would probably have huge success in the next elections, followed by a republican presidency. Based on what we have experience with this type of role out, how many more kids and civilians around the world would end up dead? Im not willing to take that chance..


There are a few problems with this idea.

The first is the assumption that these drone strikes have any impact on the number of terrorist attacks. We can play any kind of let's pretend you like, but the reality is that we do not know. There might be more, less, or no change at all. What we DO know is that we are doing this now and we still have attacks.

Second, you seem to be reaching an unsupported conclusion when you say that the American people would blame Obama for any attacks which take place. This is something of a stretch. For the most part the American people really don't much care. They aren't paying attention most of the time, and even during the last election when they were paying attention, the attack at that time -- the first to kill an ambassador in a long time -- had no negative impact on the election. Quite a few were seriously turned off by the GOPs efforts to politicize the attack.

Third, you seem to be arguing that we should accept this clear, unprecedented, and positively bone chilling assault upon our Constitution on the off chance that it might help us in the next election. I would suggest you reconsider your priorities. But let's set that aside and consider the potentially negative impact this policy has on democratic voter support. It's not guaranteed that the attacks you predict will actually happen, it's not guaranteed that if they do they will have any effect on the election, but it IS guaranteed that if Obama continues with this insanity there will be negative consequences.

It might not matter to YOU, but there are a good number of others who are not just unhappy, they are horrified. They will not vote for a guy who claims the authority to murder Americans at his whim, with no oversight. They did not vote for Obama or anyone else so that they could take the Bush policies that disgusted them, and expand those policies to some 1984 nightmare reality. If even one in ten democrats say "Fuck these evil bastards" we will not only lose the midterms, we will lose the Presidential elections as well.

So with all that in mind, do you still think this is something to play political games with?

And more important, is this REALLY something you should so casually dismiss as unimportant?

The sensors are not good enough Kolesar Feb 2013 #1
So your only issue is target accuracy? thesquanderer Feb 2013 #12
So Obama cuts the Defense budget in half and uses the money for infrastructure and education. Vincardog Feb 2013 #2
What about the question I raised.....? busterbrown Feb 2013 #4
You are afraid of a collusion between Corporations and Government and you support Drones? Vincardog Feb 2013 #5
I don’t support drones...................................... busterbrown Feb 2013 #7
This is a major bogus argument in that you forget one thing- graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
If you think this is the best way to protect ourselves ..... daleanime Feb 2013 #36
so Obama keeps the drone program Enrique Feb 2013 #3
His first concern was for Obama's POLITICAL well-being. n/t NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #38
But the DUers who hate him would still have their ideological purity. Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #6
as their kids are forcibly drafted.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #8
All the response your strawman needs. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #9
No more of a strawman than others I've seen on DU Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #33
The difference is: Those people are arguing that the govt... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #41
In the real world I do not believe that will happen Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #43
yes, bombing the shit out of people in a gutless manner always makes the bombers safer Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #10
As opposed to bombing them in a heroic manner Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #34
no Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #42
I suggest that you answer my question... busterbrown Feb 2013 #11
My Senator has many questions. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #13
Thx 4 UR concern, buster. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #14
Constitution?! Don't need no stinkin' Constitution! blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #15
Other Ways to Capture Terrorists erpowers Feb 2013 #16
I will reiterate what I am not getting through.. busterbrown Feb 2013 #17
My Point erpowers Feb 2013 #31
Drone attacks send a horrible message to the world about who we are and what we stand for. busterbrown Feb 2013 #32
special forces could get killed treestar Feb 2013 #22
January 21, 2017. The first order by the new republican president is an escalation of drone attacks. rug Feb 2013 #18
No, his first order will be an all out economic embargo on Iran. Then North Korea..... busterbrown Feb 2013 #19
And then when the drones are escalated? rug Feb 2013 #20
And the same posters would be wailing about him treestar Feb 2013 #21
Oh yes.. they "voted for him twice Cha Feb 2013 #23
"I voted for Jill Stein"=I don't want to make a difference so I'll selfishly enable Republicans. great white snark Feb 2013 #29
Yeah, the fictional "base" they're Cha Feb 2013 #39
All Presidents after JFK have been afraid to stand up to the military-industrial complex TroyD Feb 2013 #24
I agree, the Pentagon holds the POTUS hostage just like the police captain of small cities and towns busterbrown Feb 2013 #25
that isn't the issue... dtom67 Feb 2013 #27
Okay, let's consider this from your perspective then... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #28
+1 rusty fender Feb 2013 #30
Political games, My ass.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #37
What Demo_Chris said Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #40
our american police departments/states get to keep the drug money,real estate,cars jewelry. Sunlei Feb 2013 #35
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»So Obama eliminates the D...»Reply #28