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In reply to the discussion: This is FUCKED UP!!!! [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)4. Which is why we need uniform FEDERAL laws ...
When you can drive from Chicago to Indiana (or even a town just outside the city) in less than 15 minutes and buy a gun; when straw purchasers are not punished for buying weapons for minors or criminals, you're going to get this. It's separate from the issue of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity clips, which demand their own prohibitions, absolutely. But the issues surrounding uniform federal laws, universal background checks, and prosecution of straw purchasers, the issues are the same.
From today's NYT, specifically about Chicago's problems:
And yet Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year and at least 40 killings already in 2013, including a fatal shooting of a 15-year-old girl on Tuesday.
To gun rights advocates, the city provides stark evidence that even some of the toughest restrictions fail to make places safer. The gun laws in Chicago only restrict the law-abiding citizens and theyve essentially made the citizens prey, said Richard A. Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. To gun control proponents, the struggles here underscore the opposite a need for strict, uniform national gun laws to eliminate the current patchwork of state and local rules that allow guns to flow into this city from outside.
Chicago is like a house with two parents that may try to have good rules and do what they can, but its like youve got this single house sitting on a whole block where theres anarchy, said the Rev. Ira J. Acree, one among a group of pastors here who have marched and gathered signatures for an end to so much shooting. Chicago is an argument for laws that are statewide or, better yet, national.
Chicagos experience reveals the complications inherent in carrying out local gun laws around the nation. Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws local and state make it difficult to police violations. And though many describe the local and state gun laws here as relatively stringent, penalties for violating them from jail time to fines have not proven as severe as they are in some other places, reducing the incentive to comply.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?ref=us&_r=0
To gun rights advocates, the city provides stark evidence that even some of the toughest restrictions fail to make places safer. The gun laws in Chicago only restrict the law-abiding citizens and theyve essentially made the citizens prey, said Richard A. Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. To gun control proponents, the struggles here underscore the opposite a need for strict, uniform national gun laws to eliminate the current patchwork of state and local rules that allow guns to flow into this city from outside.
Chicago is like a house with two parents that may try to have good rules and do what they can, but its like youve got this single house sitting on a whole block where theres anarchy, said the Rev. Ira J. Acree, one among a group of pastors here who have marched and gathered signatures for an end to so much shooting. Chicago is an argument for laws that are statewide or, better yet, national.
Chicagos experience reveals the complications inherent in carrying out local gun laws around the nation. Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws local and state make it difficult to police violations. And though many describe the local and state gun laws here as relatively stringent, penalties for violating them from jail time to fines have not proven as severe as they are in some other places, reducing the incentive to comply.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?ref=us&_r=0
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I agree that driving elsewhere in illinois is legal. But the rest of that is not.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2013
#16
Makes for a great travel brochure, "Welcome to America." Years ago I knew people
RKP5637
Jan 2013
#3
Here it's similar ... there are some really bad parts of the city, but to those on the outside it
RKP5637
Jan 2013
#19
When I was growing up people in Europe thought we still had Indian attacks...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2013
#12
Well, if she had a gun on her, she could have shot her assailant. It is her own fault.
Stonepounder
Jan 2013
#14
wonder if this was one of the first groups in the parade. They had a very
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2013
#24