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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Would you rank Hillary Clinton as one of the best Secretaries of State of all time? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)29. If you deny it is was without outside guidance and assistance, you deny history.
You are the one who is misled or deluded if you think there was no outside role played in coordinating the Libyan and Syrian parts of the Arab Spring. Why should these events be different from large-scale political events in parts of the world where western countries and the Saudis have gained influence and believe they have a stake in the outcomes?
If you followed events as closely as you claim, and want to make your case, you should be able to easily refute this timeline and analysis. You can show how this is factually incorrect and offer an interpretative framework that more clearly conforms with the facts. But, you must argue from the facts. Otherwise, you are just being emotional and insulting.
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Would you rank Hillary Clinton as one of the best Secretaries of State of all time? [View all]
ButterflyBlood
Jan 2013
OP
The U.S. cannot stand by and watch people rise up and get crushed time after time. Whether it was
secondwind
Jan 2013
#4
The US, France, UK and KSA trained, armed, and funded exile groups that "rose up" simultaneously
leveymg
Jan 2013
#5
Josh, I've been through this with you. Amb. Stevens coordinated the opposition in Libya - that's
leveymg
Jan 2013
#27
If you deny it is was without outside guidance and assistance, you deny history.
leveymg
Jan 2013
#29
She was appointed 1-term SoS as a deal made at the Convention in Aug '08. She had her own agenda
leveymg
Jan 2013
#11
Here's a NYT report - they were alone, nobody else knew contents of the discussion at Feinstein's
leveymg
Jan 2013
#34