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pnwmom

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4. Do you think the idea of Obama ignoring the debt ceiling is a "nutty idea," even though
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:43 AM
Jan 2013

a number of constitutional lawyers are saying that Obama would be justified in doing this because of the 14th amendment?

Or is it a "nutty idea" to think that the House would impeach him for this, even if he had valid constitutional grounds?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/politics/25legal.html

The provision in question, Section 4 of the amendment, was meant to ensure the payment of Union debts after the Civil War and to disavow Confederate ones. But it was written in broader terms.

“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payments of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion,” the critical sentence says, “shall not be questioned.”

SNIP

Another possible reaction to unilateral action from Mr. Obama is impeachment. Professor Tribe said that was “not politically a very plausible scenario.”

Professor Levinson was less certain. Impeachment by the House of Representatives “seems to me quite likely.” But, he added, “it is also literally unimaginable that the Senate would convict.”




What a nutty idea. Pls think up something less ridiculous to post, something worth our time. nt brush Jan 2013 #1
Do you think the idea of Obama ignoring the debt ceiling is a "nutty idea," even though pnwmom Jan 2013 #4
I truly believe that after the last debt debacle... Ivywoods55 Jan 2013 #14
Because nobody is going to want to buy legally questionable debt DrToast Jan 2013 #28
That might be the case for long term bonds, but not the more commonly sold pnwmom Jan 2013 #29
I think the op is suggesting if the republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling the president can still_one Jan 2013 #5
Yes -- except the SCOTUS would probably not get involved, either. pnwmom Jan 2013 #10
Sorry, but a big reason Clinton was so ineffective in his second term was because of impeachment. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #2
I don't think impotence was the problem jberryhill Jan 2013 #3
... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #8
If the Rethugs went after the second popular Democratic President in a row, pnwmom Jan 2013 #6
There is a big difference between Clinton and Obama. Clinton allowed himself to be setup still_one Jan 2013 #7
Some legal experts say it's unlikely the Courts would get involved. pnwmom Jan 2013 #9
It was his actions and the way he handled himself that made him unpopular. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #22
And yet, the Rethugs in the House were even more unpopular. pnwmom Jan 2013 #27
True. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #32
I don't know why these eminent scholars... TreasonousBastard Jan 2013 #11
I think their reasoning is that the original bills pnwmom Jan 2013 #13
Well, they thought about it last year and decided... TreasonousBastard Jan 2013 #15
I'm sure they are working like demons right now to gin up something to impeach him on. Kablooie Jan 2013 #12
Oh yeah, it IS going to happen ... Cosmocat Jan 2013 #16
How do you suggest he get himself impeached? lunatica Jan 2013 #17
If he ignored the debt ceiling, impeachment would almost certainly happen pnwmom Jan 2013 #18
There is no way Obama could manage to get himself impeached klook Jan 2013 #26
Let Biden convince 22 Democratic US Senators to vote to convict NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #19
Best possible reply to this thread! Iggo Jan 2013 #20
I like the SCOTUS idea, except in 2017, during Biden's first term. pnwmom Jan 2013 #24
Should he get on SCOTUS the moment RBG,ASS,AK,and SB steps down. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #30
I think all the right-wing justices will hang on at least for the next four years. pnwmom Jan 2013 #31
He should definitely ignore their "threats" and keep running the executive branch. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #21
He should not lift a finger to prevent it. bemildred Jan 2013 #23
If they try to impeach we have a weapon that was not available under Clinton. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #25
That will never happen, not in a million years. Sunlei Jan 2013 #33
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