2016 Postmortem

George Eliot

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2. The op tells precisely why so few people voted. They gave up on the democrats.

Reply to Trust Buster (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:15 PM

Jan 2017

In my view, that's what this post is trying to lay out.
Lectures on one's civic with won't bring them bsck.

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What went wrong with the Democratic Party? Three big failures that led to the current debacle [View all] lancelyons Jan 2017 OP

There is only one thing that went wrong in the 2016 presidential election and had little to do with Trust Buster Jan 2017 #1

The op tells precisely why so few people voted. They gave up on the democrats. George Eliot Jan 2017 #2

Sorry, I'm not buying it. You didn't have to be a fan of the Democratic Party to know that Trump Trust Buster Jan 2017 #3

This is about more than just Trump. It's about Republicans controlling... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #5

That can happen via gerrymandering and voter suppression uponit7771 Jan 2017 #8

fine, but stomping our feet and screaming "not fair" isn't gonna fix it. Even if it's not fair. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #9

You're right, I advocate doing something strange.. very strange like ... calling the capital police uponit7771 Jan 2017 #10

I guess. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #11

OK, how are we going to win back anything if Russia can hack every election?!? Are they going to ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #12

They didnt hack the election, they hacked the DNC's email. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #13

If DU people are poorly informed, we are lost. Thanks for good arguments. snowy owl Jan 2017 #23

There isnt any evidence, I've seen, that they hacked the physical vote count. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #36

it's tough to prove a negative. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #38

when was there ever any meaningful search for this evidence? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #45

Please read the report, they hacked the state and local election board in serveral states and that uponit7771 Jan 2017 #41

..which report? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #42

really? the intel report uponit7771 Jan 2017 #43

OK, how are we going to win back anything if Russia can hack every election?!? LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #34

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #44

we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. it's not that hard. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #46

While I think the article from the OP makes many good points... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #17

maybe, yes. But it's undeniable that the electorate in general is trending in certain directions. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #22

WA isn't so safe. Our state house has several blue dog Dems-we pay the price by getting little done. snowy owl Jan 2017 #24

Not at this magnitude. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #15

Agreed. Big changes are necessary and it isn't personalities. Policies have to change. snowy owl Jan 2017 #26

Messaging needs to improve and we need to put up a better fight. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #48

Yup. Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #47

Thanks. I'm glad someone else on this board... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #49

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #7

+1000000 JHan Jan 2017 #33

You should read the whole piece lastone Jan 2017 #35

4: Taking the West Coast for granted & ignoring cannabis/treating the issue like a big joke Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #4

We fucked up on this issue bravenak Jan 2017 #27

Yup! A poster here mentioned Florida and medical Marijuana NWCorona Jan 2017 #31

I think part of the problem is, these beltway conventional wisdom consultants are largely Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #37

We are always late to the damn party bravenak Jan 2017 #39

4: Minimize effect of comey, russia and voter suppression in analysis and blame the victim uponit7771 Jan 2017 #6

The points raised in the article have to do with the Republican Party's ability... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25

Dems play too nice--even the Pres. who I still greatly admire/respect played too nice with the GOP. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #40

Good (albeit embarrassing) article. I'm still miffed about what was allowed to happen to ACORN. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #14

Me, too. And remember the black official that Obama fired without knowing full story. snowy owl Jan 2017 #28

Oh, So Now Salon's Concerned Me. Jan 2017 #16

I disagree with some of the narratives that have followed the 2016 election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #18

I Respect Your Point Of View But Think They Have A Lot Of Nerve Me. Jan 2017 #20

I think purists who discard the good for the perfect can be problematic. However... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #32

You're blaming Salon? Enough with blame. snowy owl Jan 2017 #29

First Off Me. Jan 2017 #30

Mistake 2: Unrequited Bipartisanship SMC22307 Jan 2017 #19

The few holdout pragmatist seem to think repeat failure is an option. Rex Jan 2017 #21