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tularetom

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70. Even if every voter said they want compromise what we are seeing now is not compromise

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:46 AM

Dec 2012

Compromise involves meaningful concessions by both sides. It appears that only one side is making those concessions because the other side sees no need to do so.

Boner knows how to bargain with the President. Just clam up, don't comment and wait. You'll get a better deal in a few days. And if you wait long enough you'll probably get everything you wanted. Maybe more.

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Like Clockwork: Obama Caves -- Bye, bye $250,000 and up. Hello $400,000 and up [View all] boingboinh Dec 2012 OP

Bonehead wanted a million DFW Dec 2012 #1

Also deductions will be capped at 28% above $250K and cap gains/dividends go to 20% above $250K flpoljunkie Dec 2012 #40

Simpson-Bowles counted reduced interest payments as reduced spending. Why not you, Boehner? flpoljunkie Dec 2012 #69

and still does, and he'll probably get it too. This is how they will do it. Boehner intends for politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2012 #83

250 to 400. I can live with this. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #2

You haven't seen the final deal yet. It will be only a percent or two BlueStreak Dec 2012 #29

$250k, although i can live with, is not very high. $400 is better, though still on the low side. samsingh Dec 2012 #36

I can live with the floor of $400,000 democrattotheend Dec 2012 #97

I've never been an apologist but I would not have a problem with this Blasphemer Dec 2012 #3

Schumer has the Wall Street fat cats to take care of. julian09 Dec 2012 #14

... SCliberal091294 Dec 2012 #4

Good falsehood jberryhill Dec 2012 #5

You're really not losing out on too much revenue by doing that. boxman15 Dec 2012 #6

Warren Buffett said the top rate should apply to income over 500k. Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #26

Buffett's number may be the president's final number. Surely, hope he doesn't go higher. flpoljunkie Dec 2012 #98

Don't pretend you don't know WeekendWarrior Dec 2012 #7

No. No compromise was necessary. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30

^ THIS +10 Myrina Dec 2012 #75

Bull and shit. WeekendWarrior Dec 2012 #119

When should we expect Obama and the rest of the Democrats to "paint back" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #121

Unilateral capitulation? WeekendWarrior Dec 2012 #122

So when Boner turns that down Obama will settle for $500,000 at the very best. doc03 Dec 2012 #8

Your concern is duly noted. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2012 #9

Compromise is not a cave. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #10

Even if we go back to the same rate as Clinton they still get doc03 Dec 2012 #12

Actually they started with $250 One of the 99 Dec 2012 #13

But even at the $250,000 level they were already getting the same break doc03 Dec 2012 #15

That's not a compromise. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #16

They will still pay less than the Clinton rate so they are getting a break. doc03 Dec 2012 #21

And we have not yet seen what they are doing to cap gains and dividends BlueStreak Dec 2012 #32

So you want to raise taxes on the poor and middle clase One of the 99 Dec 2012 #47

No the cut in payroll tax was a bad idea from the beginning. SS hasn't ever contributed to the debt doc03 Dec 2012 #87

Well if you had read the article One of the 99 Dec 2012 #101

It means taxes will be raised on too few of the rich to matter. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #42

Sounds like more than half a loaf to me. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #49

Please explain what we get out of the deal? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #31

Did you read the whole article? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #48

Yes, I saw that. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #56

Yet you chose to ignore it. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #61

It is too late to push back then. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #68

To say this is 98% of what Boehner wants One of the 99 Dec 2012 #71

Last time Boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted. He's doing better this time. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #86

Doing better this time? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #100

Let's take stock BlueStreak Dec 2012 #103

That's not reality. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #106

Ecactly whose "talking points" do you think I am representing. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #114

Then comment on reality. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #115

Here's reality BlueStreak Dec 2012 #117

As I thought One of the 99 Dec 2012 #118

It is a cave if the other side offers nothing tularetom Dec 2012 #52

Boehner wants no rate increases. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #62

He isn't getting everything he wants - yet tularetom Dec 2012 #63

Actually most voters polled said they wanted One of the 99 Dec 2012 #65

Even if every voter said they want compromise what we are seeing now is not compromise tularetom Dec 2012 #70

Boehner and the GOP doesn't want tax rates to go up One of the 99 Dec 2012 #72

Utter bullshit. woo me with science Dec 2012 #108

I agree One of the 99 Dec 2012 #109

As long as he gets the full Clinton rate and not 37%, that's a win BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #11

It doesn't matter, they will give themselves a raise to make up the tax rate. julian09 Dec 2012 #17

In which case the government gets more tax revenue BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #19

They will cut workers pay, so everything will remain the same. julian09 Dec 2012 #23

You're basically making an argument not to raise their taxes at all BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #24

We need all the Bush cuts to sunset. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #18

They should have a transaction tax on stock market trades julian09 Dec 2012 #25

Absolutely we should. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #33

like clockwork, the trolls come out MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #20

Who are the trolls the ones that defend whatever compromise Obama makes or doc03 Dec 2012 #27

They've been Obama's enemy since he was elected. Not even fairweather friends, really. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #84

Oh goody. Election is over so the anti-Obama, anti-Dem trashing can begin again. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #22

Oh, this one was Cha Dec 2012 #28

Yep. Same shit, different day. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #37

Like Cha Dec 2012 #38

Entirely predictable treestar Dec 2012 #64

If he does something wrong who else is going to call him on it?? Republicans whom he caves to? Fearless Dec 2012 #90

"If he does something wrong"...not hair-on-fire fearmongering based on anonymous rumors. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #91

Chuck Schumer is not exactly anonymous Fearless Dec 2012 #92

No real issue, if you think about it with inflation the 250k's of yesterday are closer to the 300k Kurska Dec 2012 #34

Eleven years of modest inflation DFW Dec 2012 #39

Apply the 39.6% marginal rate to all income above $500,000. Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #96

the appropriate jump is from 250K to 300K, not to 400K msongs Dec 2012 #35

The president has to work with the Republican House and Senate he has, not the ones he, or we, want. flpoljunkie Dec 2012 #41

No he doesn't. It is a very good option to just let everything expire and then negotiate BlueStreak Dec 2012 #58

Except that millions will lose their food stamps One of the 99 Dec 2012 #67

That is mostly going to happen anyway. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #88

He is not giving in on everything. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #99

Tell me what he isn't giving in on BlueStreak Dec 2012 #104

Raising the age for Medicare for one. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #105

What do you think the odds are that there is no give on any of those items? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #107

We'll see. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #110

How do you know what is on the table? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #112

So you admit there is no agreement One of the 99 Dec 2012 #116

The top bracket starts at $388,000 alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #45

And.... jberryhill Dec 2012 #79

There's clearly going to be some revenue impact alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #80

And like clockwork haters like you jump to conclusions lunatica Dec 2012 #43

And he didn't even have to do anything other than let it expire. Sigh. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #44

I dont think anyone knows the specifics yet so its a bit premature to claim anyone is caving. DCBob Dec 2012 #46

One good thing about going to 400k Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2012 #50

boingboinh grammiepammie Dec 2012 #51

And hello catfood. Merry Christmas, seniors. Enjoy that coal in your forestpath Dec 2012 #53

it's reducing cola that i worry about. that's apparently on the table. eom ellenfl Dec 2012 #66

I have family members in the $250,000 to $400,000 range and no one of them.... Walk away Dec 2012 #54

Not so fast... MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #55

Ahhh. The apologist/centrist thread. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #57

DEEDS, not phony WORDS: blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #59

I would be fine raising it to $1M... bamacrat Dec 2012 #60

Isn't this just a feint? Revolutionary Girl Dec 2012 #73

aaah yes, 47 level quasi dimensional jedi chess ... Myrina Dec 2012 #77

I think he's doing it to prove a point... it simply will be rejected by Bone and co. budkin Dec 2012 #74

My pearls! Where are my pearls!? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #85

I like this Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #76

Roll over, roll over Smilo Dec 2012 #78

Caving would be extending all tax cuts. And when Rs reject his $400K & up tax hike, we go over the jenmito Dec 2012 #81

what is wrong with this deal bocephus0706 Dec 2012 #82

How about it cuts Social Security payments to the elderly for no reason Fearless Dec 2012 #89

So there is a deal? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #93

Did I miss something? Did Obama agree to a deal? Avalux Dec 2012 #94

Maybe a WH trial balloon, maybe a Repub trial balloon Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #95

Still no source? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #102

The source will be THOMAS sofa king Dec 2012 #111

I thought 250 was the low bid all along Whisp Dec 2012 #113

Problem now is he can't ever go back to 250 budkin Dec 2012 #120

The only way back is to let the laws expire and declare a "clean slate" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #124

On the backs of seniors and middle class Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #123