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Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
86. this is truth, they will NEVER change
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:49 AM
Nov 2016

Last edited Sun Nov 27, 2016, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Its all so terribly depressing and so hard to explain to non Americans. I find the best comparison is to use the religiously insane anti human Muslim countries.

Yes, women voted in large for Clinton. Not even close. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #1
Evangelicals and orthodox women consistently vote 45% conservative, even against the E.R.A. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #45
They didn't "vote against" the ERA. State legislatures dominated by white males, duffyduff Nov 2016 #57
Maybe some but not all to blame.... vi5 Nov 2016 #2
What is your suggestion? dhol82 Nov 2016 #3
I want to hear other's ideas (if they agree it's an issue for us). But personal opinion... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #5
Yet so many of them who think abortion is murder have no problem with the death penalty or war uppityperson Nov 2016 #10
Wasn't abortion. I knew a lot of independant women who were for Trump. hollowdweller Nov 2016 #41
Abortion rarely came up during this campaign, don't see it as an issue over the others. But what uppityperson Nov 2016 #4
You are correct, it barely came up. But how many immediately had their minds made up because of it? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #7
Too fucking bad. elehhhhna Nov 2016 #38
But these women also voted for PBO so why turn their back on HRC? katsy Nov 2016 #78
It had zero to do with abortion, pro or con. BlueStreak Nov 2016 #68
Trump worked his ass off while Clinton did little campaigning? He saw people and was "decisive"? uppityperson Nov 2016 #72
I said his campaigning was decisive. BlueStreak Nov 2016 #73
Sinking to insults means the discussion is over. uppityperson Nov 2016 #75
Agreed. If anything, everyone seems intent on losing even more in the future. WTF. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #79
Lots of group think here BlueStreak Nov 2016 #88
The 30 year slander of hillary Cosmocat Nov 2016 #6
Romney got 44% of the female vote NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #8
That's exactly what I'm saying; yet I bet a pro-choice stance would have cost him millions of votes. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #13
Trump never would have won the primaries NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #15
Good question. I think the other stumbling block is guns. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #9
What the fuck? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #11
Good fucking grief, do I miss unrec! CrispyQ Nov 2016 #12
So apparently you think we should write those millions of potential votes off? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #14
Yes. If it means capitulating on choice, then absolutely, yes. Write them off. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #16
There are 17 posts in this thread; show me the one that says we should capitulate on choice. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #18
The most important decision a woman can make, isn't yours. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #19
Sounds like a winning argument. Worked well this year. And 2014. And 2012. And 2010. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #20
Lots of racists voted for Trump...maybe we should try something else on the civil rights thing. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #21
4 brutal elections in a row, & another poster that suspiciously wants to change nothing; interesting MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #22
Lots of homophobes voted for Trump...we should rethink the gay marriage thing. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #23
Let me know your preferred candidates in the future, so I can place some opposite bets in Vegas :) MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #24
Lots of xenophobes voted for Trump...may we should jettison the Muslims, huh? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #25
You ever seen the Tin Cup scene where Kevin Costner's character keeps hitting it in the water? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #37
How many recs you got on this dogshit OP? LexVegas Nov 2016 #40
And trying to reach out to zealots who equate abortion with murder is a winning strategy? CrispyQ Nov 2016 #30
What's interesting is that you had a reasonable point, and it got completely lost in your approach. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #33
Well, I don't think your point is reasonable in the least & your approach got lost in stating that CrispyQ Nov 2016 #39
Reframe it? You mean tell the truth? B/c there is an awful lot of misinformation out there about ab AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #54
No one said to anything close to backing off the abortion or gun issues. Good grief. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #26
Trump received a majority of votes from WHITE women. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17
Yep, and Trump only lost by 6 points among white women with college degrees, according to exit polls Garrett78 Nov 2016 #85
Not the issue zipplewrath Nov 2016 #27
We disagree, but you make good points; thanks for the thoughtful response. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #28
why has the Equal Rights Amendment KT2000 Nov 2016 #29
Exactly! And beautifully stated! athena Nov 2016 #35
thanks - I expected KT2000 Nov 2016 #42
great post djsunyc Nov 2016 #60
I thought for sure we'd finally get it in 2009 but it wasn't even brought up. yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #51
How old are you? The ERA has been a nonstarter for nearly 35 YEARS. duffyduff Nov 2016 #59
Old enough to have seen KT2000 Nov 2016 #66
hmm Budee Nov 2016 #65
No one said it is not KT2000 Nov 2016 #69
Some women just didn't like Hillary virgogal Nov 2016 #31
Both my MIL and FIL in PA voted for Trump due to their pro-life beliefs. I agree that we don't kelly1mm Nov 2016 #32
Well, Every Position RobinA Nov 2016 #50
The Democratic position is that it is between a woman and her doctor, and no one elses business still_one Nov 2016 #34
Nope Spider Jerusalem Nov 2016 #36
That's not uncommon. davidn3600 Nov 2016 #43
Feminists are not surprised. athena Nov 2016 #44
Oh please don't send him there, lol. JTFrog Nov 2016 #62
The answer is pretty obvious to me Spider Jerusalem Nov 2016 #48
I think it had more to do with Islamophobia and securing the border. .99center Nov 2016 #46
Seriously... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #47
Yes, I agree with you that we need to better frame the subject OhioBlue Nov 2016 #49
Framing has nothing to do with it. You cannot change their mindset. duffyduff Nov 2016 #56
I know some who are mad because some people say "Happy Holidays." raging moderate Nov 2016 #58
Framing has everything to do with the issue OhioBlue Nov 2016 #63
The "middle" is not the issue. It is the right-wing mindset. It cannot change. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #64
this is truth, they will NEVER change Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #86
it's mostly white women and it's more about race . JI7 Nov 2016 #52
Abortion or the Comey letter? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #53
Abortion and the USSC duffyduff Nov 2016 #55
It's more than this; it's deep-rooted conflict regarding the role of women... Barack_America Nov 2016 #61
My son in law told me that his mother initially told him that she planned to vote ... spin Nov 2016 #67
I am against in anyway backing down from a Pro-Choice position LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #70
Too Fucking Bad Megahurtz Nov 2016 #71
Yes, 4 brutal election losses in a row are "too bad." nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #80
Women can be gun-humping, xenophobic, high school dropout, racist assholes too, ya know NickB79 Nov 2016 #74
Deeper? Most of DU is telling me race is the ONLY thing that mattered in this election. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #81
This post liquid diamond Nov 2016 #76
I respect that you are trying to build a bridge RelativelyJones Nov 2016 #77
My, you're awfully anxious to get rid of women's rights BainsBane Nov 2016 #82
"The way you casually suggest doing away with the rights of the majority of Democratic voters" MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #83
Is your OP not about winning over the pro-life voter? BainsBane Nov 2016 #84
There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that abortion was a major issue. Statistical Nov 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #89
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