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Bucky

(53,795 posts)
43. People who think all Trump voters are racists are not thinking clearly
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:02 PM
Nov 2016

but as Baron Montesquieu told us in the 1750s, it's very hard for a country to have a republican form of government when its size is so big and its interests are so deeply diverse.

Our most pressing message is RUSSIA Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #1
Yup, I have a feeling that between Russia and the FBI, a coup has taken place. shraby Nov 2016 #4
Yup, I have a feeling that between Russia and the FBI, a coup has taken place. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #10
I wish I didn't agree....but I do... pangaia Nov 2016 #63
Yup, count me in. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #110
In theory, but Cosmocat Nov 2016 #66
Russia is the scapegoat? How pathetic. jfern Nov 2016 #156
? Russia hacked the DNC and Hill's emails, so says 17 intel and security agencies wordpix Nov 2016 #158
Hillary caused Hillary to lose, not Russia. jfern Nov 2016 #159
No blue cat Nov 2016 #2
Geesh & F*ck! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #5
I live in Alabama. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69
I would say the two main things that lost the election was the two doc03 Nov 2016 #3
Yep hueymahl Nov 2016 #90
I agree they were big factors. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #145
Well they did vote for someone who spouted some divisive shit all year didn't they? JHan Nov 2016 #6
Hillary's message to them was globalism, which is what they hate realmirage Nov 2016 #11
Between her and Sanders and Trump she was the only one who intuitively knew the challenges ahead.. JHan Nov 2016 #18
"Retraining" for nonexistent jobs likely to be globalized or flooded into wage crashing/criteria TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #154
Hold on.. JHan Nov 2016 #155
No, the current message SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #7
So basically what the republicans were planning to do realmirage Nov 2016 #12
Hello Republican super majority. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #15
lolz realmirage Nov 2016 #107
Which better change... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #64
Political Russian roulette, but you may be right. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #149
I think it has to be a three-pronged approach SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #150
No... SidDithers Nov 2016 #8
Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #9
In reality, people care about their economic survival before realmirage Nov 2016 #14
Not all people. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #84
You must be well off to have such a luxury realmirage Nov 2016 #108
No, I am not well off. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #137
Those people didn't care enough about their economic survival to listen long enough to find out Squinch Nov 2016 #87
So tell me what the Democrats' plan was to help people in the rust belt? realmirage Nov 2016 #109
You can't look at Hillary's site either? Are your fingers broken? For people who are Squinch Nov 2016 #134
A 15.00 an hour minimum wage .... dawg Nov 2016 #138
Completely wrong. Most of it is not concious choice. Your comment is what's wrong with Democrats KittyWampus Nov 2016 #168
Racist AND misogynistic. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #13
Not That Simple PoorMonger Nov 2016 #16
They used to have thriving communities realmirage Nov 2016 #17
Couldn't agree more n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #19
Trump wasn't listening to them. He was pandering to them. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #25
Of course he listened realmirage Nov 2016 #27
There are a multitude of reasons why he won. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #28
The rust belt flipped red realmirage Nov 2016 #30
And what jobs plan ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #37
He buys his steel and other things from China because realmirage Nov 2016 #49
No.. no ... no....he can buy steel in the US and not for twice its price. He buys steel in uponit7771 Nov 2016 #116
It is a little difficult when we are held to an entirely different standard. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #81
Trump lied to them. When NAFTA and TPP are gone, their lives are not going to get any Squinch Nov 2016 #89
No ... They're not all racist... They do support a racist with their votes and that's bad enough uponit7771 Nov 2016 #20
They voted for economic survival realmirage Nov 2016 #23
Plenty are racist pieces of shit...don't kid yourself. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #33
Racists have always existed, but that's not why they flipped red realmirage Nov 2016 #36
With a 4.9% he rate and even lower in the lost HRC projected states? The jobless uponit7771 Nov 2016 #40
The jobless rate is misinterpreted realmirage Nov 2016 #51
This is false on its face ... Waco link inside... Its a rwtp.. I wish we wouldn't repeat it uponit7771 Nov 2016 #56
Have you been to Michigan lately? realmirage Nov 2016 #60
Michigan's UE rate is 5.4% and the same can be said about towns in CA uponit7771 Nov 2016 #65
"As if it's worse now." Exactly. This is nuts. Squinch Nov 2016 #92
take a look realmirage Nov 2016 #99
article doesn't address the question about jobs in those areas then and now... if they're ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #112
So we are in the minority in realmirage Nov 2016 #113
We're in the minority in the house because of gerrymandering, that's a known knowm... we're uponit7771 Nov 2016 #114
exit polls? realmirage Nov 2016 #117
No but exit polls and 95% of the generational polling science being wrong something fucked uponit7771 Nov 2016 #120
Please tell... HDSam Nov 2016 #123
A rising LFPR, that's how I'm hedging the "jobs less recovery" MSM meme... Labor Force uponit7771 Nov 2016 #125
I've been to Michigan gollygee Nov 2016 #78
This is worth considering realmirage Nov 2016 #100
Thank you for this, this is my theory also... that the rural towns are doing better economically uponit7771 Nov 2016 #124
Ugh. This bullshit again. Squinch Nov 2016 #93
you mean this bullshit? realmirage Nov 2016 #101
No, the bullshit you talked about in the above post of your gish gallop. But this is bullshit too. Squinch Nov 2016 #133
Yes, people voted for donald fucking trump Cosmocat Nov 2016 #67
The Democratic Party's message just failed, maybe you should be asking why realmirage Nov 2016 #103
Obviously they didn't because they voted for the candidate who has no prospect of improving Squinch Nov 2016 #91
They voted for an economic delusion using racist language. Coventina Nov 2016 #102
Riiight... realmirage Nov 2016 #104
Donald Trump is a naked racist endorsed by the KKK. Coventina Nov 2016 #105
No, people vote their interests realmirage Nov 2016 #106
"bathrooms" being their interest then the DNC isn't going to reach them at all... they're ecomically uponit7771 Nov 2016 #127
Riiiiiight. Sunshine and lollipops being sold in the form of calling others rapists, murderers, Coventina Nov 2016 #129
I'd like to see this, if their lives are that much worse now than BEFORE Obama then you have a point uponit7771 Nov 2016 #118
What? They've been blue for a long time.. And you say just consider them lost forever? realmirage Nov 2016 #119
The flip counties have NOT been blue for a long time unless you're counting Obama as "long time" uponit7771 Nov 2016 #122
They Voted For RobinA Nov 2016 #163
Perhaps not. BlueStater Nov 2016 #21
Also melman Nov 2016 #22
That's the path to oblivion for the Party. realmirage Nov 2016 #24
I know melman Nov 2016 #29
Not all Trump voters are racists. RandySF Nov 2016 #26
I have to say that I disagree. If they are willing to give his racism a pass because of some other Squinch Nov 2016 #94
No, they're stupid too. MadamPresident Nov 2016 #31
No, they're stupid too. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #39
In my opinion it may not be wise to call union voters who deserted ... spin Nov 2016 #75
precisely realmirage Nov 2016 #111
I agree. OhioBlue Nov 2016 #121
As a union worker I can attest to the stupidity. MadamPresident Nov 2016 #136
Welcome to DU by the way. ... spin Nov 2016 #151
Couldn't Agree More RobinA Nov 2016 #164
Welcome, welcome, and fabulous post. Squinch Nov 2016 #95
I would say most Trump supporters are racist Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #32
I know people who definitely could be called racist. ... spin Nov 2016 #77
yes! Top DEMS in Ohio have campaigned against trade deals for years OhioBlue Nov 2016 #126
I grew up in Ohio but joined the Air Force back in the 1960s. ... spin Nov 2016 #130
It's a reason, but not important Bradical79 Nov 2016 #34
It is incredibly easy to get people to turn on each other. alarimer Nov 2016 #80
From what I've seen no duncang Nov 2016 #35
but we shouldnt treat getting duped by racists as indelible moral stain Bucky Nov 2016 #44
Trump told liquid diamond Nov 2016 #38
You mean we shouldn't try to address unemployment in the rust belt? realmirage Nov 2016 #41
People who think all Trump voters are racists are not thinking clearly Bucky Nov 2016 #43
It's a waste of time. liquid diamond Nov 2016 #45
So losing again is your strategy? realmirage Nov 2016 #48
That's what you got from that post? Sounds like a shit reading. Squinch Nov 2016 #96
No, that would be a dumb, hopeless message Bucky Nov 2016 #42
This is the message of most of the "elites" on this site. I think the Democratic party jack_krass Nov 2016 #46
I hate to admit it but the elitist label realmirage Nov 2016 #52
Is that your takeaway from this RIGGED election? Hekate Nov 2016 #47
You didn't read the whole op did you... realmirage Nov 2016 #53
binary thinking is stinking thinking, and you are letting LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #50
So your strategy realmirage Nov 2016 #55
again, the binary, either this or that, is YOUR fallacy, not mine. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #58
Yep- every person positing this let's cater to the rust belt is ignoring a hell of a lot.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #76
I know, right? From bathrooms to bimbos...it never ends. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #79
Again, that's what you got from that post? You keep putting words in people's mouths that are not Squinch Nov 2016 #97
Thank you. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #72
I hope not Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #54
Well said. We have to learn from this. realmirage Nov 2016 #57
most of them are racist and all give racism a pass JI7 Nov 2016 #59
'Our' message seems to be all over the map, elleng Nov 2016 #61
Clinton lost because Clinton forgot ... earthside Nov 2016 #62
And yet.. JHan Nov 2016 #74
It's pretty elemental politics. earthside Nov 2016 #139
You can't convince me that her message didn't pierce through to people.. JHan Nov 2016 #140
She lost where it mattered. earthside Nov 2016 #143
I'll share this post again.. JHan Nov 2016 #144
Right to the nub of the matter. earthside Nov 2016 #147
We can also add.. JHan Nov 2016 #148
People are trying to work up a narrative around the narrowest of victories for Trump in the midwest. JHan Nov 2016 #141
I don't know about "ours" but mine? yeah-sexist and racist ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #68
Yes treestar Nov 2016 #70
Hyperbolic mischaracterization. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #71
Who is this "our" you speak of? Lil Missy Nov 2016 #73
You nailed it. It is a strawman argument. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #86
Putting words in the mouths of others that others never said seems to be a talent with this one. Squinch Nov 2016 #98
The electoral college does not take away their vote or diminish them. musicblind Nov 2016 #82
In my book anyone who votes for a racist, is a racist. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #83
All Trump voters are either racist, misogynist or both. They deserve the KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #85
Thank you for your post hueymahl Nov 2016 #88
The type of ignorance that causes a person Lint Head Nov 2016 #115
They are all willing to vote for a man who blatantly pushed racist and sexist pnwmom Nov 2016 #128
No, not all were... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #131
I do feel for those in the rust belt. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #132
Electing Chuck Shumer as our new party Leader is not a good sign quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #135
"Economic survival" is why they voted for Obama who saved their bacon. ucrdem Nov 2016 #142
Agree - no matter how people feel, this approach is self-defeating. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #146
I'm glad that there are people out there that can still see past their emotions realmirage Nov 2016 #152
Don't Disagree RobinA Nov 2016 #165
"Social issues"? Lizz612 Nov 2016 #153
no - message is "election integrity" and "voter solutions" wordpix Nov 2016 #157
Except For The Fact RobinA Nov 2016 #160
At the bare minimum, they saw all the racist shit, and decided they could tolerate it. backscatter712 Nov 2016 #161
1000, "and decided they could tolerate it." uponit7771 Nov 2016 #162
Include the points raised in this article in any proposed solution BSdetect Nov 2016 #166
If that is what was learned by the 2016 election, the Democratic party has underestimated the scope PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #167
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