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sofa king

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21. What if there was already a law on the books?

Reply to TheWraith (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:03 AM

Mar 2012

Things are not what they seem in the US. The US is technically in a state of emergency, and there are already dozens of laws that allow the President to use that state of emergency to exercise other powers as well.

Including this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_and_All_Hazards_Preparedness_Act

I'm not sure about it, but I think it's possible that President Obama can use this law above to enact a form of universal health care, making DHHS a health care provider "for the duration of the emergency," which some argue has never ended since 1919.

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Let's ASSUME that the mandate and the whole bill is shot down.. [View all] Rosco T. Mar 2012 OP

What will stop that is that it would never pass Congress. TheWraith Mar 2012 #1

Why not? bu$h did. RC Mar 2012 #8

Again: executive orders cannot rewrite federal law. TheWraith Mar 2012 #16

And I said bu$h did it, and he did do that. RC Mar 2012 #19

"Bush did it" is not a valid excuse for Obama doing it. Arkana Mar 2012 #23

Well, I seem to remember reading EC Mar 2012 #18

What if there was already a law on the books? sofa king Mar 2012 #21

Technically? SATIRical Mar 2012 #25

The current SOE was declared in 2001. sofa king Mar 2012 #27

what's to stop them? Well, being utterly owned by big insurance, big pharma, etc for a start.... mike_c Mar 2012 #2

Obama would have happily signed a bill with a public option, but Congress pnwmom Mar 2012 #4

you might not have been paying attention during the hearings and such... mike_c Mar 2012 #6

I was paying attention and I disagree. Pelosi and Reid knew where the votes were pnwmom Mar 2012 #9

sure they knew where the votes were.... mike_c Mar 2012 #10

Oh yeah, right. Blame the progressives. That always works. n/t pnwmom Mar 2012 #11

working to maintain greedy insurance company profits doesn't strike me as particularly progressive.. mike_c Mar 2012 #12

So....losing 10-90 would solve this problem? jeff47 Mar 2012 #14

History doesn't remember the count--whether it's 10-90 or 30-70 would be irrelevant Arkana Mar 2012 #24

The President can't pass a law change by himself. Congress has to do that. pnwmom Mar 2012 #3

if it dosen't require funding, I think he can... Rosco T. Mar 2012 #5

Presidents can't make laws, so he can't. pnwmom Mar 2012 #7

but he wouldn't be MAKING a law... Rosco T. Mar 2012 #13

And W would be expanding the scope of the laws against murder jeff47 Mar 2012 #15

Even if he could do it, few people without insurance could afford a Medicare buyin. bornskeptic Mar 2012 #17

Its that expensive Dokkie Mar 2012 #33

The President can not do what you are suggesting. jzodda Mar 2012 #29

But they have an entire library of laws they can execute. sofa king Mar 2012 #22

You are suggesting something akin to martial law jzodda Mar 2012 #30

Yep. Just think of what the other guys would give away... sofa king Mar 2012 #32

Wrong jzodda Mar 2012 #31

Well, doesn't Congress have to write that into law? But I like it. freshwest Mar 2012 #20

Lobbyists. That's who will stop it. Stop it dead. Kablooie Mar 2012 #26

This can't be done via executive order jzodda Mar 2012 #28