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1StrongBlackMan

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74. Especially when ...

Reply to Avalux (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:37 PM

Dec 2012

Klein starts the opinion part with:

Talk to smart folks in Washington, and here’s what they think will happen

Especially when those same "smart folks" had the recent election a squeaker ... a too close to call horserace.

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Why Obama is the worst negotiator ever: He puts artificial constraints on himself [View all] BlueStreak Dec 2012 OP

It's silly to pretend there is no risk to the economy if everyone's taxes rise on Jan. 1 BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #1

Please explain how rolling over on these issues helps him get a better deal on immigration BlueStreak Dec 2012 #6

Step 1: Add shit. Step 2: Stir. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #2

On negotiation, he is a moron. On other things, he's very capable BlueStreak Dec 2012 #5

Fuck me but this is one of the dumbest... sharp_stick Dec 2012 #10

Oh, I'm sure that BlueStreak is only warming up in the dumb department jberryhill Dec 2012 #11

Um, odd list zipplewrath Dec 2012 #32

Like I said sharp_stick Dec 2012 #40

Stimulus was a horrible job of negotiation BlueStreak Dec 2012 #43

Oh, stimulus was guaranteed zipplewrath Dec 2012 #47

The set-up appears to be an act of genius BlueStreak Dec 2012 #63

Careful zipplewrath Dec 2012 #81

Are you Kidding?? PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #51

Half your post says he will cave, the rest says he might cave. Which is it? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #75

Yer 'fused PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #84

Of course they're set to expire sharp_stick Dec 2012 #115

Ya got anything else? PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #116

Make a specific prediction about what you think he will give away. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #73

Well Joe... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #91

Wrong. Not all of my relatives had their own insurance ... my now 16 year old neice ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101

Apologies... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #105

He will punt on 2nd down instead of first down. European Socialist Dec 2012 #3

There are plenty of places to go sharp_stick Dec 2012 #4

I can't go anywhere, but I can call attention to what is happening BlueStreak Dec 2012 #7

Can you make a specific prediction regarding what his "punt" will look like? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #78

It's not really a simple question treestar Dec 2012 #8

Nice response!!! BlueMTexpat Dec 2012 #13

Not sure they're huge zipplewrath Dec 2012 #33

There are rumors ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #9

This should bring the dumbest Obama haters out in droves alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #12

I agree with that, but... bamacrat Dec 2012 #14

What you say is undeniable, but the real question is why BlueStreak Dec 2012 #17

He isn't a liberal. Myrina Dec 2012 #24

I have nothing to add to that. n/t bamacrat Dec 2012 #31

Actually his past deals made it hard for me to vote for him. Xyzse Dec 2012 #15

The signals he should be sending are: BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19

You may be right. Xyzse Dec 2012 #23

Hummmm .... Both of those have been addressed. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #76

So you know all these good reasons to play hardball Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #16

He doesn't play hardball -- ever BlueStreak Dec 2012 #22

I'd like to see him try Something Completely Different: truebluegreen Dec 2012 #18

Exactly. That sends the message BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20

EASY ANSWER: Obama is a BLUE DOG Center-Right President boingboinh Dec 2012 #21

+100 truebluegreen Dec 2012 #26

I alerted on your post and a jury of your peers voted 3-3 to let it stand. One of your peers coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #60

As I expected, complete and total silence when called out. I guess that's par for the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #137

No, I no longer believe it. This feels too much like history repeating. forestpath Dec 2012 #25

In order to make this claim you HAVE TO know more about everything than PO does. patrice Dec 2012 #27

We know what the big pieces are BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30

So "small" stuff doesn't matter. Tell that to any one person needing health care. nt patrice Dec 2012 #34

The fact that you think I'm suggesting blackmail here is evidence of your bias. Admit it. nt patrice Dec 2012 #35

You don't know shit. You are armchair Presidenting like the rest of the posers around here. phleshdef Dec 2012 #56

Part of the problem is his lack of experience no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #28

just to be clear, the 14th amendment is a some, but limited value here. unblock Dec 2012 #29

re: kicking the can to the next budget, I agree with you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37

Again, do you in fact know EVERYTHING you would need to know in order to arrive at this conclusion? patrice Dec 2012 #36

OK, then go right ahead and suggest items that you think justify BlueStreak Dec 2012 #39

Not my point. I'm saying there could be such things. You are saying there is no possibility patrice Dec 2012 #50

What kinds of "things"? A sick auntie or something? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #64

Wow! That old 900-pound elephant... shrdlu Dec 2012 #38

EVERYTHING is nogotiable, and this means BlueStreak Dec 2012 #41

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #45

We've been hearing that tired meme for 4 years. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #57

YUP ... same prediction pops up every few months ... then it doesn't happen ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #82

In 2017 we'll start hearing "Well he really DID want to but WE stopped him." NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #94

Agree. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #97

I would laugh at this drivel ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #42

Please share your resume including details of the high national elected offices you have held? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #44

high national elected offices ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #46

Down goes Frazier! (Tip of my hat to my friend Orrex who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #54

I wonder if ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #55

I've had this same discussion with the gentleman before BlueStreak Dec 2012 #61

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #70

As I mentioned in the other thread BlueStreak Dec 2012 #87

It was you that placed resumes on the table ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #99

A total and complete ass kicking of the OP alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #104

Cheering you on from the sidelines here... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #106

By your logic, the only reasonable thing is to go into a bunker for 60 days BlueStreak Dec 2012 #127

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #128

I'll put John2 Dec 2012 #48

You can't put tooth paste back in the tube BlueStreak Dec 2012 #62

He has done no such thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72

What are you saying, man? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #77

I'm saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #88

Please explain your first sentence. Avalux Dec 2012 #49

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53

Reported by Ezra Klein BlueStreak Dec 2012 #67

Just because Klein is reporting what he thinks may happen doesn't make it so. Avalux Dec 2012 #69

Especially when ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #74

It doesn't matter what we say. Avalux Dec 2012 #85

I'm not looking for apologies. I'l looking for realists. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #80

Oh boy. Good luck with that. n/t Avalux Dec 2012 #83

"Apologies" aside, just what do you intend to do with Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #107

A: Have a reality-based conversation. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #114

Geitner on Obama willingness to go over the cliff ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #86

I saw that. It is encouraging. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #126

Agree. The House GOP is only good at doing nothing. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #129

That scenario makes sense -- but it is not by design. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #131

I think Reid is screwing with McConnell. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #134

No, I really meant Boehner. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #139

I think John2 Dec 2012 #52

I am so glad Obama is the President and you are just a hater. Everything in its proper place. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #58

Do you think calling someone a "hater" is adding to the discussion? rhett o rick Dec 2012 #93

You mean like when the OP DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #109

The OP was wrong to use the term "moron." And he should be called out for it. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #110

No disagreement there. DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #111

Thank you for your concern... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #59

Bwahahaha! Yeah, I'd say I am that guy. sofa king Dec 2012 #65

Then please set my mind at ease by telling me which of these BlueStreak Dec 2012 #68

Short answer: sofa king Dec 2012 #71

Number 1 is NOT already in the bag. They are now talking about giving away half of that BlueStreak Dec 2012 #79

They can talk, vote, pass bills... sofa king Dec 2012 #120

Obama doesn't care about taxing the rich. It is just posturing BlueStreak Dec 2012 #124

You spell it out very well. sofa king Dec 2012 #133

I agree 100%, and I think I have been saying that all along. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #135

If we go off the cliff, what will your view be? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #89

We will be far better off. All the bush cuts shold be eliminated BlueStreak Dec 2012 #95

You build a sad little strawman don't ya. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102

This isn't about you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #112

You said ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #130

My mistake, then. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #132

Please tell me John2 Dec 2012 #90

Please go back and read my list. Myybe it isn't clear enough. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #98

That all depends on ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #103

Yes, if there are major gains that I didn't mention on that list. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #113

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #117

I'm thinking that if Obama is pushing for additional things not already in his budget BlueStreak Dec 2012 #118

My less than rose colored glasses zipplewrath Dec 2012 #92

You are 100% correct, IMHO BlueStreak Dec 2012 #100

More BS or "Baseless Speculation"... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #108

That's the community organizer in him BlueDemKev Dec 2012 #66

I don't know but I think you need to send him your thread. Truly good stuff!! Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #96

One point: ProSense Dec 2012 #119

Well, you're arguing different points zipplewrath Dec 2012 #121

I agree, and add that the Senate bill represents unnecessary capitulation BlueStreak Dec 2012 #122

Cliff ain't all good zipplewrath Dec 2012 #123

There are downsides, but they are practically the same if the House just passes the Senate's bill BlueStreak Dec 2012 #125

Capital Gains? zipplewrath Dec 2012 #136

Here's the bill BlueStreak Dec 2012 #138

He gets the job done. He just doesn't commandeer a warship to dance on. Hekate Dec 2012 #140

+ billions and billions union_maid Dec 2012 #141

Obama's capitulation on Rice is not going to help his negotiating cred BlueStreak Dec 2012 #142

You're just having too much fun rolling around in this, aren't you? Hekate Dec 2012 #143

It is a monumental lost opportunity. I don't enjoy it all. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #144