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freshwest

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54. No, just seeing the reality of people doing without because they vote against social safety nets. In
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:00 PM
Dec 2012

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my state the Democrats won the major races, but the 'starving the beast' crowd is still pushing privatization of the things that Democrats want for everyone which privatization does not protect. We are losing public roads to them because they insist that high tolls be paid to their buddies. Now citizens are having to drive many miles out of the way because they can't afford the toll, on roads that were once part of our tax base to maintain.

It is the GOP philosophy that it be that way, not the Democratic Party, and they vote accordingly and resist infrastructure unless they get the contracts. They've made inroad in child protective services and other agencies, and their belief is that first, these aren't needed, that jail and the streets is where these people belong. Why do I say this? I read their letters to the editors, listen to their arguments in th legislature and city council meetings.

Have you ever been involved in organizing to save schools, parks, housing, services for the vulnerable or needy, or anything like that? Do you stand aloof and look down on those who do?

There is a black and white when you are dealing with people who campaign against labor unions, public workers, public assistance and health care. We have a half and half and in our state legislature, and when people call the parties the same, or want people to not speak out to the people they worked to elect to effect the policies they ran, on what is the result of that?

Is your solution to not do anything but vote once every four years, no matter what changes occur from natural disaster, long term disaster rom lack of funding from recalcitrant groups who fight you at any turn?

That is your right, but that attitude didn't elect Obama. In my state, the baggers here are not going by the same name in some public venues, but when you read their campaign literature, it has all the buzzwords. There are a lot of lies and shenanigans going on, in fact we had the GOP going around trying to con people out of their votes to toss in the trash no doubt. The Democrats are not doing that, so that's not media hype, but reality,

When these folks are elected, they obstruct and cut everything. The groups that organize and speak to their GOP representatives from churches put forth anti-abortion, anti-morning after pills, anti- same sex rights, and anti-public schools measures on the ballot. They have publicly announced that they intend to stop the flow of taxes because they want 'government reduced to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub.'

Just because we are seeing some media stories saying they have lost, does not mean any of them have changed their minds one bit. And they are organizing daily. They want for example, to have public schools shut down, to be replaced with religious schools and charters. If we don't continue to support what we say we believe in, their voices are not going to go away. I've been in a lot of meeting with real people who will go the distance to defeat all the things that Democrats believe, I don't need to go to freeper sites or brag about winning with them. I see them face to face. Where did you get that notion that this is my focus, even if we do cut up here at DU, that is Democratic U, anyway?

If you/re peddling not voting/being involved, or some CT about it all being a big joke, that's not what many think. If you don't like my solution, please offer yours other than mocking Obama for asking us to keep on being involved. Any research of experience dealing with real life GOP shows they are not refusing to get involved or call their representatives, which we have he same right to do. There is something to win or lose, when you live a life involved with people they care about,


They belong on the unemployment line Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #1
Getting them on the unemployment line lsewpershad Dec 2012 #28
Easier said than done Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #43
We have to tell comgress what we expect them to do, otherwise they will simply do lobbyists bidding peacebird Dec 2012 #2
You've Got To Be Kidding Me.... Iggy Dec 2012 #4
No actually. Contact your congress folk, like President Obama is saying. Our voices ARE heard, when peacebird Dec 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #17
Actually I contact Webb & Warner several times a month. I have done so for years. peacebird Dec 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #21
Peace yourself! And yes, John Warner and Jim Moran both sent good responses. Mark Warner, no, sadly. peacebird Dec 2012 #23
Try living n a southern (DEEP RED)state LukeFL Dec 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #46
Ummm... Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #3
Another Kidder.... Iggy Dec 2012 #8
There is a famous river in Egypt bluerum Dec 2012 #5
Dear Iggy: xfundy Dec 2012 #6
Not sure of your logic here... TeacherB87 Dec 2012 #9
Tell Ya What..... Iggy Dec 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #18
uhhhhh, Please re-read my post Iggy Dec 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #24
Buying into Obama's orders? TeacherB87 Dec 2012 #44
Sounds like the OP's post is more about hating Obama than holding Congressional Republicans Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #61
"Express ourselves, almost solely" on blogs to other people that agree with us already". Jennicut Dec 2012 #67
Yeah, just let all the right-wingers write their Congress people frazzled Dec 2012 #10
What would you have him do? rainin Dec 2012 #11
Obama should not have to be doing this, period Iggy Dec 2012 #14
How many more times is every day, just like baggers meet in their districts. We give up, they win. freshwest Dec 2012 #41
This black/white, win/lose concept is total nonsense Iggy Dec 2012 #51
No, just seeing the reality of people doing without because they vote against social safety nets. In freshwest Dec 2012 #54
I agree LukeFL Dec 2012 #53
They are in congress to represent you. They can't do that unless they know what you want. n/t Lucinda Dec 2012 #13
LOL... Thus if I go into Work Tomorrow Iggy Dec 2012 #15
It's a good job, Rachel said this week, congress will work about one third of calender year in 2013. julian09 Dec 2012 #25
Heckuva Gig! Iggy Dec 2012 #29
We should be the boss of Congress Mz Pip Dec 2012 #26
Correct-- To a Degree Iggy Dec 2012 #31
I get your frustration. SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #16
Dear Iggy - Right now you're part of the problem ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #27
I agree. We've got to put pressure on them. savalez Dec 2012 #47
I wrote to my representative today, John Culberson R-TX, who thinks we have a spending problem, Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #30
Good Take... Iggy Dec 2012 #33
The attitude in this post represents the biggest problem with our country right now. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #32
Unfortunately, As I Stated Upstream Iggy Dec 2012 #35
So your solution is, what, exactly? Not do anything? NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #37
+1,000 SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #49
I'm Not Telling You, or Anyone, What to Do Iggy Dec 2012 #50
Well, then good for you. If all you're going to do is sit on the "Bloggo" whine and complain, you're Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #63
No. Throughout this thread, his point has been to belittle the rest of us with his self righteousnes Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #62
HUH?? Facing Reality is "Self Righteous"?!!!!! Iggy Dec 2012 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake2413 Dec 2012 #36
It is our job to tell our Representatives want we expect of them Jake2413 Dec 2012 #39
I'm not sure participation is all that effective either, Neon2012 Dec 2012 #34
Remember 2005? union_maid Dec 2012 #38
Exactly. To say that representational democracy does not ever work is a farce. Jennicut Dec 2012 #66
Sure Thing. Once The Right Wing Agrees To Disarm As Well TomCADem Dec 2012 #40
Well they have to know what people want treestar Dec 2012 #42
The Teabaggers/ReThugs NEVER stop calling their members. NEVER!! The OP expects us to? Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #64
This is what the left did wrong 4 years ago. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #52
I don't need President Obama to tell me to do it; I do it already. But I ALSO contact forestpath Dec 2012 #55
Totally disagree with you here. Everyone needs to be calling all the time, DebJ Dec 2012 #56
LOL..... Iggy Dec 2012 #57
When they do, it is because people are not calling and not voting them out. DebJ Dec 2012 #58
NOT Voting Them Out.. Iggy Dec 2012 #59
He's *asking* you to call Congress because it works! It really does scare the shit out of them Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #60
I understand what you mean lunatica Dec 2012 #65
People hold the power, mary195149 Dec 2012 #68
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