2016 Postmortem

Skid Rogue

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107. I'm a little disappointed.

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:30 PM

Jun 2016

I don't want Sanders to have much of a say about how our primaries are conducted. I don't think he likes our party very much. However, with an issue like the minimum wage we need to aim high, because the arrow will always land lower.

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If Bernie/Hillary folks can't find common ground on *Electoral Reform* then we're in big trouble [View all] HerbChestnut Jun 2016 OP

Automatic voter registration is very different from open primaries La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #1

some fight unity swhisper1 Jun 2016 #3

Some believe that only their ideas have value La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #4

glad you agree with me swhisper1 Jun 2016 #9

I will never go against the wishes of the congressional black caucus on voting rights EVER La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #38

I recognize what you are saying about the CBC, disenfranchisement and voting rights. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #52

But the CBC has smarter priorities- getting rid of onerous voter ID laws and bettyellen Jun 2016 #55

You just called the Congressional Black Caucus "SACRED COWS" on Democratic Underground. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #74

Actually I didn't. Read my post again. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #83

Your meaning was conveyed perfectly. nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #85

The cbc commenting on voting rights is far more scared to me La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #124

if La Lioness agreed with you on everything, then you'd both be wrong Sheepshank Jun 2016 #57

There are many who believe in "all or nothing" and would (apparently) rather have nothing ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #58

But both candidates agreed on a $15 minimum wage and it was voted down. How does that floriduck Jun 2016 #76

What candidate other than Bernie has endorsed a $15 minimum wage? NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #136

I hear ya but Hillary did state in one of the later debates she, too, was for $15. She is or she floriduck Jun 2016 #137

Open primaries suck! Why should a Republican or Indy be able to vote for the Dem candidate? kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #116

Why would I want open primaries, so those who aren't Democrats can decide who the Democratic nominee still_one Jun 2016 #126

Not in the land of identity politics tymorial Jun 2016 #127

what does 'identity politics' have to do with this? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #131

automatic registration is an answer to getting people to vote without disenfranchisement swhisper1 Jun 2016 #2

Both candidates want that. Hortensis Jun 2016 #25

Fuck open primaries, that's as easy as it gets... I've seen little need to reform what has worked in uponit7771 Jun 2016 #5

I'll say it again for you. Fuck open primaries. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #8

Open primaries make perfect sense to those Hortensis Jun 2016 #27

Many poor, PoC, gay, religious minorities are "establishment" democrats, tbh everytime I see that uponit7771 Jun 2016 #30

It's important for those who respect democracy Hortensis Jun 2016 #36

true uponit7771 Jun 2016 #37

Get out of my head, lol. Yeah, FUCK OPEN PRIMARIES X1,000,000,000,000 to the 10th Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #72

You want election reform, change the caucus's to primaries. I don't want someone who isn't a still_one Jun 2016 #128

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #130

I disagree on open primaries. I don't want trouble makers voting for the worst The Second Stone Jun 2016 #6

Open primaries are uneccesary and unwise LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #7

As a resident of West Virginia who witnessed this behavior first-hand at the polls Lyric Jun 2016 #24

+1,000 AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #132

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ LaydeeBug Jun 2016 #45

+1 Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #75

+1000! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #97

In a DEMOCRACY you make it easy for everyone to vote. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #77

The purpose of the primaries DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #98

Primaries are held at state expense. That makes them the business of all voters in the state. merrily Jun 2016 #106

yes, primaries are held at state expense DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #108

Sorry, no. State expense makes primaries the business of all voters in the state. merrily Jun 2016 #110

It really doesn't DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #112

Sorry, your position makes no sense to me. It's about who pays, not whether it's a primary or a merrily Jun 2016 #113

I disagree. It is not just about who pays. It is about election integrity. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #133

Then have each party pay for its own exclusionary primary and its own party integrity. merrily Jun 2016 #135

Herding cats = Herding Democratic Party gordianot Jun 2016 #10

Not so bad these days, really. Remember, those sayings Hortensis Jun 2016 #28

We live in a post cold war world where everything is confused a major nexus in time. gordianot Jun 2016 #47

How can you be for automatic registration but against open primaries? kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #11

Closed primaries are not a barrier to vote in the General Election hack89 Jun 2016 #35

Not complicated kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #46

Conflating primaries with the GE is disingenuous. hack89 Jun 2016 #48

Its two party system kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #49

Ok. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #50

Why? Don't we want candidates that appeal to as many voters as possible? When Independents outnumber Vincardog Jun 2016 #78

If a Dem candidate appeals to an Independent hack89 Jun 2016 #79

Giving them a candidate to support is a motivator. Vincardog Jun 2016 #80

If your earlier statement is true, then apparently not much of a motivator. Nt. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #119

We are probably in big trouble... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #12

In 2012 it looks like 21 States had open primary's. peace13 Jun 2016 #13

15 states has open primaries to allocate delegates this year Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #17

Thanks. peace13 Jun 2016 #22

It's not like there's a poll tax, just the need to register. tirebiter Jun 2016 #14

Open primaries are broadly opposed by many Democrats, though. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #15

we have an open primary...it's called the GENERAL election where you can write in your fave msongs Jun 2016 #16

+1000 kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #122

I'm not as sure as you that all Democrats want to increase democratic access to the process Vote2016 Jun 2016 #18

The Congressional Black Caucus strongly opposes open primaries pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

No open primaries MFM008 Jun 2016 #20

Good luck with that thought Contrary1 Jun 2016 #21

I'm with the CBC. No open primaries. leftofcool Jun 2016 #23

Open Primaries ? Hell no, Democratic party Members only.......thanks. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #26

No to Open Primaries and caucuses! No no no Her Sister Jun 2016 #29

Want to vote? Register. It's free. n/t kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #51

Progressives need to stick to their guns on the open primaries. Chan790 Jun 2016 #31

Our open primaries, in Virginia, always go without a hitch. w4rma Jun 2016 #62

You have less of a problem with crossover mischief LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #84

The primaries *should* be all on the same day. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #90

I agree, but even then LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #93

Have you seen the laws in some of these closed primary states? They prevent people from registering. w4rma Jun 2016 #94

You'll have to provide specifics for me to answer, LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #96

New York Had the Second-Lowest Voter Turnout So Far This Election Season w4rma Jun 2016 #99

And none of the problems in the article were because of closed primaries themselves LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #100

All of the problems had to do with the closed primaries themselves. Registering for them is hard and w4rma Jun 2016 #101

Now there's an argument I can get behind. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #120

I'll chime in and say open primaries are a bad idea justiceischeap Jun 2016 #32

Some people think they'd sully their purity by joining a party. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109

I'm not at all a fan of open primaries; party members should get to decide candidates Recursion Jun 2016 #33

Nothing simple or good about open primaries. hack89 Jun 2016 #34

At my caucus many who supported Sanders Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #39

The libertarian economic philosophy is the complete opposite of socialism, pnwmom Jun 2016 #70

weed. nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #88

Apparently it's addled their brains. If they have brains. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #89

Somebody at a kegger told them they should be a libertarian Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #91

Libertarian: a Republican who owns a bong. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #111

LOL (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #129

Ding! Ding! Ding! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #71

Translation: I like weed. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #86

hahaha that is pretty funny. n/t Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #87

The problem is that you're envisioning reform as one side as being completely and utterly right Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #40

Good response! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #73

I'm a "no-brainer" then Yonnie3 Jun 2016 #41

No, it is not. randome Jun 2016 #56

Automatic voter registration when turning 18 workinclasszero Jun 2016 #42

We are not going to more open primaries, ever. Tarc Jun 2016 #43

No to Open Primaries, get rid of Caucus instead. And it's not necessary to be in complete agreement Lil Missy Jun 2016 #44

Agree. It's not and even silly to imagine Hortensis Jun 2016 #54

Curious, How much of that can be done without a state legislature and governors. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #53

Neither of those proposals are in the control of the party Gothmog Jun 2016 #59

hidden insta8er Jun 2016 #60

No Open primaries and LESS Super delegates jzodda Jun 2016 #61

Automatic voter registration should be fine. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #63

No open primaries. PAMod Jun 2016 #64

No Open primaries. fun n serious Jun 2016 #65

That way the DNC can dictate who the candidate will be AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #67

Explain this. fun n serious Jun 2016 #81

No brainer Andy823 Jun 2016 #66

no open primaries. zappaman Jun 2016 #68

That appears to be exactly what they did in West Virginia (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #103

Open primaries - NEVER!! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #69

Your concern is noted n/t NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #82

Right? nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #92

automatic registration, sure DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #95

You can't have automatic registration without open primaries. It is either both or neither. w4rma Jun 2016 #102

When people say automatic registration they mean the general election La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #121

It's not simple at all. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #104

Yeah, to lower turnout and protect incumbents. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #105

No, to let Democrats choose who represented the Democratic Party. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114

I gave valid reasoning. You chose to see something that wasn't there. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #117

I'm a little disappointed. Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jun 2016 #115

Honestly... Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #123

Automatic voter registration is great. To hell with open primaries. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #118

I agree...but riversedge Jun 2016 #125

autovoter registration, OK, but we don't need open primaries and ending superdelegates ericson00 Jun 2016 #134