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2016 Postmortem

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Prism

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Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:39 AM Jun 2016

This primary solidified the Log-Cabinization of the Social Left [View all]

Log Cabin Republicans have always been funny things to me. They're gay, but other than that, they never care much for the gay community. They can be counted upon for marriage equality arguments and anti-discrimination measures, but otherwise, you're all on your own. Given their demographic - generally white, male, and affluent - it's understandable. They're looking after their personal interests. They're looking after their money. But they want the best of both worlds. They want their money, and they want their identity.

Now, if you're an LGBTer on the ground, you know the problem with their attitude. It isn't as simple as just being gay or lesbian. There are a lot of factors. What is known as intersectionality. LGBTers of color are vastly more likely to suffer from economic disadvantage. Our trans brothers and sisters doubly so. A white, affluent gay male doesn't experience the same world as a poor, black lesbian. I, as a white gay man, can move relatively confidently through society, while a Latina trans sister is always in fear of assault or even death.

So, we're all connected. If you're a liberal of conscience, you understand that. There's no "Gay Issue". It's a variety of issues, where orientation is the core of a nimbus that billows out into every fact of life.

And yet. In this primary. All the work we've done to be united seems to be coming apart at every angle.

What set me off was "Brocialism". And the idea behind it that economic justice is merely a complaint of the white working class.

First, let me say, how much crack have you been smoking, and when did you first take up the pipe?

Economic injustice is not only a problem afflicting white male Millennials. Which part of anywhere in the USA would you like me to point to to bear this out? I live around Oakland, I'm a social worker, so I will share my general experience.

San Francisco is outrageous with housing prices. Tech companies moved in with their high salaries, rents skyrocketed, and everyone who couldn't pay started leaping out of the city like it was a Titanic re-enactment. East Bay, Oakland, and Berkeley were immune for awhile. Oakland, especially, is a city of color, and yet it's getting thumbed down, piece. by. piece. "Oh hey, we live near Lake Merritt. It's fine. Oh, shit, our rent is now $3,000. But, meh, it's fine, let's go to Temescal. Oh shit, no one can afford to live here! My roommate works for Pandora! Well, whatever. No one wants to live in West Oakland. It's a crime-ridden nightmare, and who could possibly . . . why are there hipsters on my street, and what the fuck is a brewery?"

And so all the poor people of color get shoved and shoved and shoved. Right now, they're going north. To Vallejo. To Santa Rosa. But make no mistake, they're being shoved out. Berkeley is the same. When I moved here in 2009, the neighborhood around 4th Street was a poorer neighborhood with people of color. There's an Apple Store there today. And lots of affluent white techies. They just plowed down my favorite family-owned Indian buffet so they could build luxury apartments with fancy names like "The Aquatic". The entire Indian-American strip along University Ave. is to be "repurposed". How long will they last? Probably not as long as all the 20, 30, 40 year old ethnic businesses along Shattuck that are suddenly retiring at their landlords' suggestion.

But economic injustice does not concern people of color. It is the cry of young white men. Bros.

This rambling aside isn't rambling. It's an illustration. Economic injustice has far reaching effects. It not only displaces communities of color, it creates an institutionalized system against them. When affluent people move into an area, they don't want to see the homeless. They don't want to see the poor. And so they agitate law enforcement. "Clean this shit up!" they cry. And guess who suffers? The people who have always been there.

I saw a story just the other day about the number of 911 calls in Oakland skyrocketing. What changed? The number of wealthier people who moved in. That is all that changed. They saw people who didn't "seem right" and "didn't fit with the neighborhood" and they called the cops.

To say economic injustice as a call to arms is merely some disaffected white guys is the dumbest. fucking. thing. I've ever actually heard.

This far in, you might ask how I brought up LCR's. Well, here's why.

The Social Left has become severely self-interested. What is my cause. That's the only cause that matters. Is feminism your thing? Then you may find all things anti-Hillary sexist. Forget she's a hawk (wars disproportionately affect women and children), and forget she's a corporatist (economic downturns disproportionately affect women and children), she's a woman! And we want her! And that's all that matters. It's a middle-class sensibility, brought to you by the same people who think we need New York Times articles on why offices are a mite too cold and why the Black Widow doesn't have a good movie yet. First world feminist problems. If you're a comfortable person, you get to engage in stupid, meaningless bullshit. And so, voila!

Same with Black Lives Matter. Now, I love Black Lives Matter. What's happening in our criminal justice system is the most bizarre inversion of justice a body can possibly imagine. We're living in an age of a stealth Jim Crow. But what matters is the celebrity case of the week. And not even well chosen half the time. Has anyone looked at Baltimore? That shit is disintegrating before everyone's very eyes because the prosecutor and DA thought politics were better than making an actual case. You want to know about black lives? Explain to a mother of six how she feeds her kids. Because those lives matter, too. They're just not very media friendly. Ever sit down with someone and work out food stamps for a month and how to not starve? I have. I do. Those lives matter, too.

But they're never talked about. No one cares.

In this primary season, economic injustice became "That White Male Thing!"

Do you know how easy you must have it to be able to sit back and with a straight face say such a thing?

Like the LCRs, the only people who could shit on Bernie Sander's message are people who are comfortable, people who don't actually deal with too many problems, people who think of the ideas of poverty and race as message board exercises rather than lived experiences. People who can pick their bugaboo and go to town about it, because intersectionality is just a whispered hypocrisy on the wind.

Brocialism? Fuck you. How dare you people shit on the poor in that way. And all to merely prop up your celebrity politician crush of the moment.

You've failed. You've failed yourself, and you've failed those you ostensibly claim to champion.

Stop failing.

Hillary's our candidate. Great. Now disen-fucking-gage and go back to actually caring about the problems of the actual disadvantaged. If all you care about is your pet issue, you're just another LCR, and I really don't understand why on earth you're in our party.

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I'm sure people appreciate you mansplaining/whitesplaining how their civil rights geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
+ 1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #3
You're automatically disqualified Prism Jun 2016 #4
+1 JimDandy Jun 2016 #13
+1 nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #14
Pretty horrifying the post you're responding to. cali Jun 2016 #16
Testify Prism. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #34
How appropriate that the first response you got tabasco Jun 2016 #39
+ 100 TheFarseer Jun 2016 #107
+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #161
I don't know how you managed to miss the OP's point so completely. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #6
We've heard the "social issues are a distraction" lecture geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7
But what you place in quotation marks is not what Prism said at all, it's your characterization Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #19
I'm laughing my ass off Prism Jun 2016 #90
I love you for this response. Chan790 Jun 2016 #155
Bet you cannot see yourself in a mirror. eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #36
"Democratic" vampire? nt VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #173
This is interesting. Do you notice they are now Squinch Jun 2016 #82
can't avoid the sneering "pet issue" comment though. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110
Yes. Because we are right up there with the pets. And they STILL don't see it. Squinch Jun 2016 #125
Really, that's what you took from that? Prism Jun 2016 #84
Clearly, Geek read it. Chan790 Jun 2016 #156
A "Failed Ideology"???? bvar22 Jun 2016 #98
Isn't it something that cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #147
It's befuddling to me. Chan790 Jun 2016 #157
...yes and that's the position you staked-out against the argument Prism made. Chan790 Jun 2016 #153
The person you are replying to systematically uses that strawman to avoid talking about AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #69
The OPs point is an overt strawman, that's why it's "missed" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #185
Wow nailed it. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #21
Exactly, geek. +1. Squinch Jun 2016 #43
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Armstead Jun 2016 #49
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #86
Wtf does that even mean? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #92
That you're a WOC and LGBT so toe the line? obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #102
It was such a random threat just to a 'yup' La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #104
I think you have a fan. Squinch Jun 2016 #130
i need fewer of these fans La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #134
Yes. That was weird. Squinch Jun 2016 #135
especially after someone sent me that email warning me not to criticize white men La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #136
Oh, shit. I had not heard of the doxxing. I am so sorry that happened. Squinch Jun 2016 #137
ugh, yeah. had to change my phone number and everything. super annoying. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #138
I'm so sorry. Squinch Jun 2016 #139
thanks. the internet is very hostile to women and POC who are critical of whiteness and maleness La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #140
Yes. And it's frightening to think that people are sick enough to do that. Squinch Jun 2016 #143
That is sick and scary. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #179
"Mansplaining" is a strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #66
You got it. workinclasszero Jun 2016 #74
it never occurs to Paleo Socialists that maybe geek tragedy Jun 2016 #79
Which part would you like to debate? Prism Jun 2016 #89
Same argument, different words. If they don't get it after all this time, and after their Squinch Jun 2016 #131
JFC I know obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #87
And then some. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #93
He had me at "Brocialism? Fuck you." lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #108
Spot on geek t.!! riversedge Jun 2016 #141
Nailed it on the first fucking post Number23 Jun 2016 #145
Tragedy, you SUPPORT the neoliberal economics. You SUPPORT the TPP. w4rma Jun 2016 #152
Thank you! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #2
Yes, the problem is that it's under inclusive of geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
You got it backwards. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #8
Some are more unequal than others. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10
"One size fits all socialism is an obsolete and failed ideology." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #17
Nader's "gonadal politics" is still the mentality with some nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
'paleo socialist' is the 'insulting' 'talking point' of the day from the establishment camp* Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #38
Tell that to Sweden, Finland, Denmark - it's not failed at all adigal Jun 2016 #174
the Scandinavian countries do not have the same problems geek tragedy Jun 2016 #176
What problems are you referring to? nt adigal Jun 2016 #177
historic levels of violence, legacy of slavery and apartheid, vast geographic size, geek tragedy Jun 2016 #178
The south does seem to be a sticking point in all of the ways you mentioned adigal Jun 2016 #180
the goals aren't generally disputed, it's how to achieve those goals. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #181
Guess what, we all fucking know that... Adrahil Jun 2016 #71
The OP's point seems to be that women & PoC & LGBT should ignore their civil rights issues and... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114
That's not what the OP is saying. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #116
The "pet issues" line shows that's EXACTLY what the OP is saying. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117
I get that you don't get it... Chan790 Jun 2016 #160
It's a vile slam against anyone who thinks civil rights could be more important than economic issues Lord Magus Jun 2016 #165
Civil Rights ARE an Economic Issue and a Social Issue. bvar22 Jun 2016 #171
Read it again. It IS what the OP is saying. Squinch Jun 2016 #132
Making things up... tonedevil Jun 2016 #9
It's basically a "straw man" method of argument The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #23
Well now... tonedevil Jun 2016 #24
"Maybe it's more like dishonesty." The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #25
Let me womansplain to you. This old Latina is telling that old white man what is important to me, Autumn Jun 2016 #60
The fact you think that's what I said says two things Prism Jun 2016 #91
In this primary season, economic injustice became "That White Male Thing!" Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #11
I was going to explain this for the 2342343242th time forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #20
You're sort of proving the point Scootaloo Jun 2016 #54
Do you think smugly lecturing people of color is an effective geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73
I don't think you get to talk about "smugly lecturing," Geek Scootaloo Jun 2016 #149
"Pet issues" was rather curious verbiage, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #150
Not if you read the entire piece Scootaloo Jun 2016 #151
"Pet issues" is never not used dismissively nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #158
I'm getting that you don't get who is being dismissed by its use in this case. Chan790 Jun 2016 #162
They don't get it. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #148
exactly right. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #12
really thoughtful post. thanks. cali Jun 2016 #15
Recommended. Autumn Jun 2016 #22
K&R! MelissaB Jun 2016 #26
Oh great gaspee Jun 2016 #27
That's not what the OP said at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #28
I think you know gaspee Jun 2016 #33
And don't forget that we are being selfish in wanting our needs to be acknowledged, rather than Squinch Jun 2016 #42
"Shut up, of course we care enough about your geek tragedy Jun 2016 #48
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Armstead Jun 2016 #50
Yes. We COULD address economic issues AND social issues at the same time. That is the Squinch Jun 2016 #56
That is also the point Sanders has been making Armstead Jun 2016 #59
He has never addressed social issues unless he has been dragged to it kicking and screaming Squinch Jun 2016 #70
Oh horsehit...I'm done. Your candidate won. Armstead Jun 2016 #78
And check in with me in 2 years to see if Sanders, as a Senator, has done any of what you list. Squinch Jun 2016 #80
Wow Amaril Jun 2016 #46
Blah blah blah blah gaspee Jun 2016 #51
Also, we're on crack. Don't forget that part. But he isn't condescending. No sir! Squinch Jun 2016 #133
Yes, of course. If we didn't agree with your candidate... Adrahil Jun 2016 #29
NAILED IT! gaspee Jun 2016 #52
You didn't read the OP, did you? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #57
Yes, I did. Read that last paragraph. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #63
Is that all you read? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #64
Thanks for the condescension. Yes. I read the entire screed. Twice now. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #68
. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #67
Don't use quotation marks to frame something that no one said. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #83
You should try debating actual Clinton supporters geek tragedy Jun 2016 #105
I think the OP did that. Your first response was put down buzz words and not debate (NT) Rilgin Jun 2016 #121
Because comparing Hillary-supporting feminists geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123
Here's a short/sweet look at the socially liberal/fiscally conservative canard. Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #30
Social justice is economic justice. joshcryer Jun 2016 #31
This is no accident, misunderstanding, or misdiagnosis but an aggressive and willful effort TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #32
Excellent analysis. Very nice piece of writing. tabasco Jun 2016 #35
It's the Democratic version Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #37
Well put. 99Forever Jun 2016 #40
Let me guess: you are completely unaware of the irony and projection in your OP, aren't you? Squinch Jun 2016 #41
The problem with this dissertation BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #44
Have you EVER heard of doing more than one thing at a time? Armstead Jun 2016 #47
Reality is that "multi-tasking" often fails BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #81
You miss my point.. Armstead Jun 2016 #95
"Convoluted political analyses on how priorities are set are irrelevant. " BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #99
Good rhetorical bullshit deflection. immoderate Jun 2016 #106
It is naive to dismiss analagous behaviors BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #118
It's worse than that. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #113
Great Post -- The disconnect that has been created is depressing Armstead Jun 2016 #45
Identity politics is the death of the left. By design. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #53
I used to think it was just the GOP design.....I'm thinking I was wrong in that naive assumption Armstead Jun 2016 #55
The 2016 primary casts the 2008 primary in a different light too... Fumesucker Jun 2016 #76
yup tk2kewl Jun 2016 #170
Social justice issues are the death of the left? Okie dokie... Squinch Jun 2016 #58
When challenging the excessive Corporate Power that is imposed on everyone... Armstead Jun 2016 #61
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Squinch Jun 2016 #75
Nailed it in one Prism Jun 2016 #85
Agree. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #88
There is no social justice purpose that is served by nominating HRC. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #72
Thanks for telling us your opinion. Squinch Jun 2016 #77
The idea that HRC = social justice is stupid lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #111
Again, your opinion is... in existence. Squinch Jun 2016 #126
So 80% of the black Democratic electorate? nt forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #169
"Identity politics" is a term invented by the right to dismiss civil rights and social justice. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #115
social justice has been turned into a logo lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #119
And yet they are so sure they are the true progressives. Really crazy. Squinch Jun 2016 #127
Overt Strawman... denotes lack of listening and minimizing of Dem Base issues uponit7771 Jun 2016 #186
Really well said, Prism. ms liberty Jun 2016 #62
everyone who deviates from your definitions is a crack head. thanks for sharing nt msongs Jun 2016 #94
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #96
Outstanding OP... 2banon Jun 2016 #97
Intersectionality means actually listening to what the people in that group have to say. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #100
Excellent post, Starry -- I agree with every single word obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #101
Same. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #103
Neoliberal economics fix sexisim and racism how? What is all of this fixing Clinton is TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #146
Diversifying the wealthy doesn't bring about economic justice either. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #164
Exactly! Great post. Squinch Jun 2016 #128
Did people even read this? SpareribSP Jun 2016 #109
yes, including the part where a white dude sneered at women's and black folks' civil rights as "pet geek tragedy Jun 2016 #112
In my estimation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #122
This is really true. People of color were talking about BS's shortcomings with them very Squinch Jun 2016 #129
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #188
Yes, its the same damn strawman from a year ago... dem base priorities are as diverse as the uponit7771 Jun 2016 #187
News flash RandySF Jun 2016 #120
kick rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #124
K&R Thank you Prism felix_numinous Jun 2016 #142
Fuck!! You got banned off your own thread. Harsh Arazi Jun 2016 #144
I have had lancer78 Jun 2016 #154
wonderfully said. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #159
I think some people just don't like the poor very much. They think we're all stupid and bigoted. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #163
K & R Duppers Jun 2016 #166
K&R. One of the best OPs on the last day of GDP. See you around, Prism. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #167
Thank you! redwitch Jun 2016 #168
I am a woman and I agree with you 100% adigal Jun 2016 #172
Brocialism... Fuck 'em, man. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #175
Agreed. nt redgreenandblue Jun 2016 #182
Thank you. Autumn Jun 2016 #183
First of all, so-called social issues aren't "pet" issues. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #184
+1, Same damn strawman argument from a year ago... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #189
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