2016 Postmortem

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93. but is the give or take the same for her?

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:32 PM

Jun 2016

Has it been the same for President Obama?

Nobody would shout "you lie!" at the SOTU, nobody would ever have crossed the line before. How come the traditional gentlemen's agreements no longer applied?

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Sanders' demands & the path forward - What if it were two men? [View all] Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 OP

If Hillary were a male, her opponent would have conceded and endorsed the nominee by now. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #1

That's exactly right. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #3

Indeed, and the media would treat a woman refusing to condede to a man as Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #10

Hillary stayed on a lot longer than usual against Obama and she was not The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #58

Three days after the last primary and she was much closer...and she signalled she was endorsing Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #70

Yes, and that was considered unusual at the time. Truth. Also she was not mounting an The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #108

+1!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #138

If he were gracious enough to congratulate his victor, would that diminish his cause? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #140

Don't worry he probably already told her congrats. Now can we get on board the Demo-train? The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #171

Don't worry my purdy little head? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #186

He said that he will fight against Trump. He will do it and he will fight for Hillary.Apologies are The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #232

I didn't say a damn thing about apologies but it's good to see you understand it's owed Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #234

I'm so tired of this narrative lapucelle Jun 2016 #180

This is a narrative you are projecting. It is not who he is or what he is trying to do. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #230

also she was only 100 delegates behind he is 350 delegates behind DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #209

Not if you multiply by how much birds like him. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #237

√ FALSE. She was MUCH closer, miles ahead of current Sanders, and went out on a winning streak. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #83

"does your cause go away?" Yes, if your cause is personal and not about the issues. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #177

MSNBC interviewed a really sad little watch party last night and asked if they would run for office Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #184

So far as I can tell Bernie has an ego the size of a house shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #84

Susan Sarandon's house. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #86

Or Donald Trumps house. It's about ego compensation too. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #92

This is silly and personal. He has a cause that is the same as ours. Read my last post # 108. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #114

Sanders made it personal when he tried to oust Barney Frank. lapucelle Jun 2016 #181

Barney Frank is retired. Right? Bernie will be rolling into the mix soon and his views are smart. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #182

Bernie is 18 months younger than Barney Frank jmowreader Jun 2016 #207

Some folks are always looking for an ax to grind. 7962 Jun 2016 #174

It is true...didn't Ann Richards Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #74

So Sanders is only running because Hillary is a female? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #4

You think Sanders is running right now? LexVegas Jun 2016 #12

Oooooo Berrrrrrrn. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #15

Burn or Berrrrn? Wow: I haven't heard that one since 5th grade! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #213

LOL shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #85

It's your assertion AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #147

LOL! Squinch Jun 2016 #166

He feels he can get away with his shit because she is female...different rules for her Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #71

And you actually believe this? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #149

Not sure if it's concious or unconcious on his part, don't care, but the media treatment, Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #191

No but he won't concede because she is. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #75

You actually believe this? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #150

Yep. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #159

What a cute little straw man you made there, look at his whittle hat, how sweet! shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #98

I don't think anyone said or implied that. George II Jun 2016 #129

See post #1 AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #152

I did. This is your post that I responded to: George II Jun 2016 #155

Thats what the poster implied AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #156

Ah....."implied". So you're attributing something that she DIDN'T say to her post? George II Jun 2016 #179

not running------just not conceding when he lost. theres the difference. DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #5

Yup, I think we all know this, even if it is just a nagging thought. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #24

Hillary was MUCH closer to Obama, can you imagine if she'd refused to concede? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #33

I don't have to imagine it it actually happened. Clinton did refuse to concede when Obama clinched.. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #38

And 4 days later she conceded and endorsed Obama. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #46

And the margin of victory was razor thin then, not like this near-landslide we have now. brush Jun 2016 #65

Yes eventually she endorsed Obama. Do you think Sanders will eventually endorse Clinton? n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #67

I don't know. I hope so, but time will tell. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #88

And could you tell us leftynyc Jun 2016 #53

In both cases I believe it didn't change the fact that the other person was going to be the nominee PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #56

Wrong answer, it matters Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #206

I was disappointed that she had not won the nomination, but accepted Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #97

I felt the same leftynyc Jun 2016 #125

Senator Sanders liberal from boston Jun 2016 #142

Do you have a credible source for your claim about the agreement between Hillary and Obama Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #146

"well known" ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #170

It's more well-known she refused the job the first two times Obama offered it to her jmowreader Jun 2016 #211

No doubt workinclasszero Jun 2016 #52

Or if Clinton was a male and Sanders were a female he would have conceded on Wednesday.... George II Jun 2016 #127

If Hillary were a male, with her same negatives, I think it would have been impossible John Poet Jun 2016 #196

You will note that both Trump and Bernie have suggested they are msanthrope Jun 2016 #2

Being female doesn't automatically make her better for women AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #6

I am so glad a man explained that to us. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #22

Do you disagree with what I said? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #28

you are male. I have absolutely no interest msanthrope Jun 2016 #32

x 1000 Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #39

You sound like fun. nt Dawgs Jun 2016 #47

Women do not exist for your fun. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #193

right on!!! nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #77

Boom! sheshe2 Jun 2016 #100

So you have issues with men AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #153

More feminist bashing 101. JTFrog Jun 2016 #172

In her own words... AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #183

She never said she had a problem with all men. JTFrog Jun 2016 #185

See post #31 AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #188

Wow. Nothing like trying to defeat sexism by acting the same. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #35

Says another man who thinks he has the right to tell women what is better for women Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #40

Boy, I like the feisty women on this thread. They ain't taking no sh_t from mansplainers. brush Jun 2016 #72

Damn right nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #78

Thanks :-) Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #104

Yes, enough with the bullshit. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #120

Prove that I have those "thoughts". I believe that women and men should have equal footing, rhett o rick Jun 2016 #116

Do you think maybe women are behaviorally policed enough already. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #135

I'm sure you put the same effort into fighting for the Equal Rights Amendment that you do shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #137

So you say...too bad your candidate can't bring himself to concede to a woman...she must win him Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #208

You're right. Women are the one's who need to play fair here. That's where the real problem in our shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #110

Now there I will have to disagree with you. It should not be about gender. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #111

Let sweet Bernie know that will you. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #113

"His old fashioned behavior is tiresome and outdated." So you think he is too old? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #118

In the English language adjetives precede what they describe. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #121

Keep on waggling that finger Bernie style about what I said. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #115

I was wagging my finger because of what you posted, "You're right. Women are the one's who need to rhett o rick Jun 2016 #117

Wow that's dishonest. Do you need to misrepresent the context because you can't address it or shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #123

I guess shadowandblossom NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #161

Among Republicans treestar Jun 2016 #76

Right on. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #36

And then the dudes high5 eachother for explaining to the women what is best for them Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jun 2016 #49

Only finger waving man splaining men... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #61

You know, the very fact that we feel almost compelled to justify and qualify our feminism with Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #119

discussing the issues = hatred of men apparently according to some of the people here shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #128

You are right. I shouldn't have done that good for you! Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #141

The poster, by hurling the "man-hater" slur at you tried to make it about feelings Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #151

right. asif we can't decide that for ourselves. like they know what's best for us DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #218

disagreement isn't hatred treestar Jun 2016 #79

I fully recognize the difference between hatred and "disagreement". I recognize the vitriol. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #87

no one said they could be free from criticism treestar Jun 2016 #91

You must be joking. All criticisms of Hillary are called sexist. It's a tool, a tactic, used rhett o rick Jun 2016 #96

Not true. treestar Jun 2016 #227

I keep hearing a lot about such posts and some here use that as justification for rhett o rick Jun 2016 #229

Feminists (men and women alike) understand that it is not the place of a man to explain to women Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #99

I agree with what you wrote. But that doesn't mean that men are capable of fighting for women's rhett o rick Jun 2016 #102

If those are the only tools in your box, may I suggest a trip to the hardware store Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #132

You're so generous for helping us wee women folk understand Rick. Thank you. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #139

Feminist bashing 101: Call them man haters. JTFrog Jun 2016 #168

Who is doing the bashing here? "Men on this thread were high5ing over instructing women about what rhett o rick Jun 2016 #187

Yup. Bro code! Whooo! Fistbump me bro. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #126

Yeah, those silly wimmin' all shreiking and yammering like hens and shit. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #133

They're hysterical, must be their hormones shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #134

Go on, erect another another straw man then. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #106

Being a woman doesn't necessarily make SpareribSP Jun 2016 #11

Not the point Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #64

that well could be treestar Jun 2016 #81

Disquieting is a woman who would vote for a woman because she is a woman! peace13 Jun 2016 #16

Disquieting is that you think you have the right to challenge anyone's reasons for voting. msanthrope Jun 2016 #19

No, you are right. peace13 Jun 2016 #26

What irony. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #37

Rhett....how moderate you are. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #59

If by moderate you mean do I support cutting SS and Medicare? Or rhett o rick Jun 2016 #94

My auto-correct changed moderator to moderate. msanthrope Jun 2016 #154

Hilarious, coming from you. nt Dawgs Jun 2016 #50

Bernie's been banging that drum for a long time, shame so many fell for it Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #21

And here we go again with the pretending. None of us here would vote for Sara Palin and I think you shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #131

Yes, it's so much better to have women vote against a woman because she is a woman! athena Jun 2016 #217

Actions speak louder than genitalia. peace13 Jun 2016 #220

Makes sense that happened with colonialism and with slavers too. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #101

I noticed that too bravenak Jun 2016 #200

Bernie is becoming increasingly irrelevant. I don't think his endorsement is going to make any MariaThinks Jun 2016 #7

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #8

thanks for reading it and probably geting the post hidden. Never mind the attacks on Hillary MariaThinks Jun 2016 #25

Then why all the agonized hand wringing OPs AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #9

I just noticed your monkey/dog gif... TeeYiYi Jun 2016 #62

Desperate? NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #163

He makes himself less relevant daily. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #13

He's got terrible timing. Vanity prevents him from seizing golden opportunities. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #20

A red herring.....Disagree with his current actions, but please don't make stuff up Armstead Jun 2016 #14

The media would treat a woman refusing to condede to a man as a complete mental case Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #17

They are treating Trump as a complete mental case...and he is a male Armstead Jun 2016 #18

Like points have to actually share likeness, Armstead. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #29

Hillary refused to concede to Obama. You know that, right? nt Dawgs Jun 2016 #54

Shhh! Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #57

Three days after the last primary she conceded and endorsed...then worked to elect Obama. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #60

Sure, but only after Obama promised to help her pay off her campaign debt. nt Dawgs Jun 2016 #68

Yeah...that is not really true. Please note she took the SOS job knowing she could not fund-raise Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #89

Not true at all Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #105

You're wrong. brush Jun 2016 #82

He won't endorse Hillary. He'll just continue to passively say that Trump should be defeated. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #23

Can you make a suggestion on a number for the lottery I should place? Armstead Jun 2016 #27

I could, but I won't. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #30

Oh, that's a good one. I'm stealing it, putting it in my pocket and keeping it to use later. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #44

maybe you should have a bet with ARMSTEAD maybe a pro HILLARY POST if you are right DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #219

Really. mnhtnbb Jun 2016 #45

but is the give or take the same for her? treestar Jun 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #112

Very well said, I agree completely. nt intheozone Jun 2016 #31

Thank you for this DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #34

You're very welcome. Needed said, out loud, and expanded on with evidence. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #235

sadly, you are quite correct. niyad Jun 2016 #42

My girldar went off long ago... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #43

Indeed. madamesilverspurs Jun 2016 #48

Hit the nail right on the head Madam... comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #107

If anyone can demonstrate an example of a time when snot Jun 2016 #51

Obama faced the same thing only worse. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #201

My god, thank you! bravenak Jun 2016 #202

If the other candidate LWolf Jun 2016 #55

Nope Sanders would not dare do this to another man...it is save for a woman presidential nominee Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #69

Agreed, like there were many firsts in being exceptionally obtuse treestar Jun 2016 #63

I have to agree. auntpurl Jun 2016 #66

As did I auntpurl. I defended him many times, called for patience Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #124

Again, Hillary supporters attack Bernie & base ... is this REALLY best to win his base for Nov? cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #73

Why should Hillary have to "win" Sanders' base? stopbush Jun 2016 #103

They should come to heel Deny and Shred Jun 2016 #109

And increasingly unnecessary, as her margins against Trump continue to rise Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #136

Yep. Turns out that Sanders is a mere ideologue, rather than a good politician. stopbush Jun 2016 #167

I think he's happier being miserable. God knows he's had decades of practice at it Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #194

Ha.. I was just on your jury for this innocuous post.. Cha Jun 2016 #204

Mother of Zeus, Cha. LOL Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #210

Monday. Cha Jun 2016 #212

I hope your extreme confidence in an HRC victory in November is warranted ... cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #192

As a woman, kiva Jun 2016 #80

Seriously. bunnies Jun 2016 #95

Right because it's not like people can object to something about Saint Bernie shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #143

Nope, it's like some of us kiva Jun 2016 #145

If the shoe fits.... But that's probably just my vagina talking. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #148

+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #165

I thought that's what I was doing too shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #222

Vagina voters... like we vote just because a woman is running...none of us Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #197

Who knows what our vaginas might do next, they've gone rogue! They could shoot someone, or take up shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #221

My vagina sat in a chair at school for 19 1/2 years! No wonder it knows so damn smart!! Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #236

Well, you BETTER be ready for it. You're gonna get 4 yrs of it! 7962 Jun 2016 #175

I agree rock Jun 2016 #90

Great post! lunamagica Jun 2016 #122

Can't rect his highly enough anigbrowl Jun 2016 #144

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #157

Yes, that's a tricky one. auntpurl Jun 2016 #160

Yes! That is a very apt comparrison Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #164

If these were to men Uponthegears Jun 2016 #158

It's "two" dear. And simple sportsmanship demands Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #162

Did you seriously Uponthegears Jun 2016 #169

Sanders should let his voice go silent but for one sentence...I Bernie Sanders concede the primary Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #198

I congratulate her on the historic victory she has accomplished. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #224

hahaha..sure they would Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #205

BINGO. Perfectly expressed. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #223

Of course Uponthegears Jun 2016 #225

He doesnt want DWS out because she's a woman, 7962 Jun 2016 #173

Well good news. DWS is out. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #195

I don't know...it seems most of the people attacked are women. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #199

Bernie is so set in his ways, I don't think he even realizes when he is BootinUp Jun 2016 #176

I agree with this. I think his tin ear has prevented consideration Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #190

The finger waving at the debates really frosted me...the you better listen little lady type attitude Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #203

What if both candidates were WASPs? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #178

Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. So spot on. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #189

More 'cry wolf' sexism from the neoliberal propagandists who don't care that they diminish actual w4rma Jun 2016 #214

Clinton campaign continued after backing Obama k8conant Jun 2016 #215

This is all because of two things TheFarseer Jun 2016 #226

Why the push to always conflate policy differences with misogyny? It's very untrue, NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #228

The OP isn't about policy issues. Read, and try to keep up. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #233

I'm glad Hillary isn't the tender flower her supporters seem to be. Vinca Jun 2016 #231