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2016 Postmortem

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Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:12 PM Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton Is A HARD SELL To Millennials [View all]


Hillary’s problems with young voters aren’t just her age and association with a past presidency that occurred when many of these voters were still in diapers. Hillary’s messaging tends to be out-of-tune with the aspirations of young voters. Take this Clinton campaign email attempting to raise money in anticipation of the general election. After some obligatory insults against her opponent, the campaign reassures their supporters:

"..But we’re going to challenge Donald Trump and his campaign. He’s not going to build a grassroots organizing program to reach voters at their doors — but that’s exactly how this campaign is spending its time. He doesn’t think that data is important (which is literally a thing he says in interviews). We, uhm, disagree — and ground every decision that we make in the best science we can find. And most importantly, we’re going to rebut every ugly, divisive argument he makes every time he opens his dumb mouth..."

In other words, Hillary’s own campaign is arguing that it’s not her message, political vision or experience that’s going to defeat Donald Trump. Her political machine can do The Donald in. Clinton is advertising to her donors that their money will be used for more polling, paid door knocking and high priced politicos to craft the most rigorously message-tested talking points... all those elements of politics that voters - particularly young voters - abhor. Clinton might assume that Millennials, the most tech-savvy generation, will embrace anything related to “data.” Yet Millennials’ love of technology stems from how it empowers them, as individuals, not that it can reduce them to mere data points and create opportunities for manipulation. Almost as off-putting as when Hillary showcases herself as a hardened political tactician is when she attempts to refashion herself as an outsider dedicated to taking on the establishment. Here’s another revealing campaign email:

"..I want to make sure you saw the news about Sheldon Adelson. This guy is an infamous conservative casino magnate, and this week, he pledged to raise ungodly amounts of money for Donald Trump — maybe more than $100 million, according to The New York Times.

$100 million! And right now, we’re assuming that a big chunk of that money is going STRAIGHT to funding vicious ads against Hillary in places like Ohio and Florida.

While Trump takes mammoth checks from billionaires who’d get mammoth tax cuts if he became president, we’re building our campaign a different way: ...we need everyone to step up to take on Trump and his army of billionaires. Can you help right now (and claim your free Team Hillary sticker!)?.."

Even the most low-information voter knows that Mrs. Clinton is hardly shocked by money in politics. In fact, the former First Lady is renowned for raking in hundred-thousand-dollar checks from big banks and foreign governments. Bernie Sanders knew this and consistently highlighted Mrs. Clinton’s cozy corporatism, understanding that young, idealistic voters crave a different kind of politics, which prioritizes regular people’s interests over the politically-connected.



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An extremely 'hard sell' to say the least... Segami Jun 2016 #1
Millennials aren't the only people who vote... Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #5
And millennials aren't the only ones bvf Jun 2016 #24
I'm not a Millennial by a long shot RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #27
She's not a hard sell SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #70
Gee, what an inspiring message! n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #71
No SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #90
There the least to vote bigdarryl Jun 2016 #44
Millennials hardly ever vote workinclasszero Jun 2016 #46
Lol lancer78 Jun 2016 #56
No response. Marr Jun 2016 #72
And turnout 30-35% less whatthehey Jun 2016 #96
Don't listen to this crap Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #85
No she isn't. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #92
That's presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton. Metric System Jun 2016 #2
I took everybody off Ignore yesterday SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #3
Buh-bye! Segami Jun 2016 #4
Your random caps OP's didn't work and now Bernie has lost the nomination. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #8
Neither did your ignorance of bvf Jun 2016 #28
Will you survive the transparency vacations being turned back on? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #33
Hillary wins DC Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #38
Wow, looking at several Hillary supporters T pages... AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #47
Once you leave, Segami, Hillary will be an EASY SELL RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #31
thats great larkrake Jun 2016 #135
+1000 eom noiretextatique Jun 2016 #196
LOL! It's going to be just peachy! bvf Jun 2016 #201
you might get a hide with... Matt_R Jun 2016 #203
Can I be on your Ignore List? Herman4747 Jun 2016 #12
Sorry, Herman SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #37
I will keep them off swhisper1 Jun 2016 #66
And Bernie was a hard sell to the rest of us. We did not buy. We have more money than millennials. bravenak Jun 2016 #6
Oh so more money buys the election? interesting azurnoir Jun 2016 #22
Results... Major Nikon Jun 2016 #25
Interesting alert bvf Jun 2016 #32
I never alert- it shows their ignorance and obsessive nature to keep it up swhisper1 Jun 2016 #68
If the alert didn't care for that, Go Vols Jun 2016 #202
"We have more money than millennials" and we intend to keep it that way! Vote Hillary! DebDoo Jun 2016 #57
It is always that way because we have been around longer bravenak Jun 2016 #60
That's basically the GOP position on social programs, in a nutshell. Marr Jun 2016 #82
Oh? So my black struggling self should pay for my own education and the education bravenak Jun 2016 #86
Again, thanks for stating the standard GOP argument against social programs. Marr Jun 2016 #87
I'm paying for mine. They can too. They aint no better than me that I should pay their way bravenak Jun 2016 #91
We should end welfare, WIC... everything like that then, right? /nt Marr Jun 2016 #98
Why would you say that? bravenak Jun 2016 #100
Because it would be a social program, obviously. Marr Jun 2016 #103
"His plan taxes poor folks to provide these 'free' programs." Loudestlib Jun 2016 #104
An increase in payroll taxes forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #109
So, it's ignorance then? Loudestlib Jun 2016 #113
Yes, it's often hard to tell. bvf Jun 2016 #116
His plan for free college tuition does not tax poor folks... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #160
How about a rebate for those that can prove they completed a 2 or 4 year program. Matt_R Jun 2016 #204
I could get behind that bravenak Jun 2016 #206
If you've been to college bvf Jun 2016 #111
You need to stop minding mine and tend to yourn bravenak Jun 2016 #112
Mine is fine. bvf Jun 2016 #114
You still aint mindin yourn bravenak Jun 2016 #123
Reading that, all I can think of bvf Jun 2016 #175
Oh, not this again. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #141
results from the alert DrDan Jun 2016 #149
I thought you liked Bernie noiretextatique Jun 2016 #197
Millennials aren't the party base they think they are Tarc Jun 2016 #7
That pobably was his biggest mistake lunamagica Jun 2016 #10
It was his biggest mistake by far workinclasszero Jun 2016 #49
That was one of them. Ignoring the black vote in early primaries . . . brush Jun 2016 #133
For such an oppressed and discriminated group of people notadmblnd Jun 2016 #159
Ahhh . . . just knowing how to use the power of the vote. brush Jun 2016 #174
I said exactly what I said. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #193
And what you said has a dog whistle quality to it. Nice to know where you're coming from. brush Jun 2016 #194
Only a true bigot can hear dog whistles. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #195
Yeah, I hear dog whistles pretty good, being African American and all. brush Jun 2016 #207
So you say. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #208
Nah, people can be aware of bigoted thinking and it always smells the same uponit7771 Jun 2016 #218
Voting? uponit7771 Jun 2016 #217
Get back to us in 2020, and 2024, and 2028 ... Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #41
Funny thing how time works; they won't be 20-somethings by then Tarc Jun 2016 #48
Yeah, but they will still be wise to the propaganda. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #51
Oh, you. Tarc Jun 2016 #63
They soon will be. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #83
'fraid not Tarc Jun 2016 #101
Milennial PoC were not a Hillary demographic. Marr Jun 2016 #106
PoC overall were Tarc Jun 2016 #166
And my point was that milennials will soon be the party. Marr Jun 2016 #176
Unfortunately, they will not be Tarc Jun 2016 #178
You're argument is that the younger generation will not replace you? Marr Jun 2016 #188
I'll give you a hint Tarc Jun 2016 #189
I must disagree. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #142
exactly - he played to a demographic that finds it inconvenient to actually vote - not a DrDan Jun 2016 #150
She's also a hard sell to a surprising number of older voters. SheilaT Jun 2016 #9
Well, of course. She seeks no major fundamental improvements... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #11
Her positions are different only by degrees than Sanders' brush Jun 2016 #16
through THIS Congress, true. Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #21
Yes, it all depends on what Congress the president has to work with. brush Jun 2016 #42
Anything Hillary poses would not get through the Herman4747 Jun 2016 #55
neither will her policies get past progressives swhisper1 Jun 2016 #61
That's true too. nt Herman4747 Jun 2016 #62
If it is Trump she ends up debating, she will win hands down. I never doubted this swhisper1 Jun 2016 #64
There are ways. Obama faced the same obstacles and got a lot done. brush Jun 2016 #89
They are far apart philosophically. He's a Unionist/Socialist/Worker libdem4life Jun 2016 #97
Ahhh . . . she's the one who appointed a union rep to the platform committee. brush Jun 2016 #110
makes me suspicious of that rep. Did he play pattycake? larkrake Jun 2016 #126
So? I know what a Token is...I'd guess there's not much difference here. libdem4life Jun 2016 #179
Did Sanders? brush Jun 2016 #181
Did Sanders what? He has marched with workers his entire life, AFAIK libdem4life Jun 2016 #182
OK. I know he appointed Cornell West to the platform committee. How about a union rep? brush Jun 2016 #183
I have no idea. That would requre a Google Search. And also, libdem4life Jun 2016 #184
they are nothing alike and they have never been friends. she has intentionally gone rogue larkrake Jun 2016 #137
one has 41 senate endorsements, the other has 1 DrDan Jun 2016 #163
Thanks. You make my case, to a tee. How many of Bernie's type got libdem4life Jun 2016 #180
he's done . . . DrDan Jun 2016 #191
He's 74 now. Even he didn't think he could get his own plan through in his first term politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #50
Will you ever stop bashing Hillary? upaloopa Jun 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #15
She's beating Trump 12 points in the latest Bloomberg poll. charlyvi Jun 2016 #14
Don't go around destroying the OP's nonsense qdouble Jun 2016 #17
I know. charlyvi Jun 2016 #78
Who did the other 29% poll for? Matt_R Jun 2016 #170
so who did the rest go for? Matt_R Jun 2016 #171
An article from March... no Clinton vs Trump comparison... and they're high fiving each other vintx Jun 2016 #212
Well... there you go with facts and shit.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #219
They can't make the campaign about issues so they will have to resort to the usual beauty contest NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #18
More like....."No" Sale. yourout Jun 2016 #19
Bloomberg poll released TODAY. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #20
not impressed. of course she is more likable than Trump--duh larkrake Jun 2016 #127
endless conspiracy theories that are opinions. millennials are not the exclusive tools of bernie msongs Jun 2016 #23
no they are not, and the polls indicate for every one Sanders supporter that won't support Hillary, still_one Jun 2016 #30
We're damn serious, Maddi. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #26
and I suppose Bernie would be an easy "sell" to Hillary supporters. Those who are having issues still_one Jun 2016 #29
That nonsense should be a hard sell to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #34
This Millennial supported her since 2007 and I prefer the term "Gen Y" eom LLStarks Jun 2016 #35
Well then that's it. Fold the tents, it's all over. Wednesdays Jun 2016 #115
That's funny Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #36
Good thing Donald Trump is an even harder one ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #39
The Millennials I know flat out loathe Hillary. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #40
Who gives a fuck what they think half these brats most of the time don't vote bigdarryl Jun 2016 #81
Wrong. These kids are politically aware and voted. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #186
You have to love how welcoming noiretextatique Jun 2016 #198
Yep. These "kids" give me hope. They see through Clintonian bullshit. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #199
Shes even a Harder Sell to those of us Not Millennials who have lived through KoKo Jun 2016 #43
Agree 100 percent. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #53
"There's an old saying in Tennessee..." RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #67
... vintx Jun 2016 #213
Who cares? Why spend time and money on people who don't vote? Sancho Jun 2016 #45
People who don't vote don't scare anyone even if the internet amps their voices up a lot workinclasszero Jun 2016 #52
Isn't that what W said? seabeckind Jun 2016 #74
You can do things for them, but they don't vote. Sancho Jun 2016 #76
I've seen her judgement and arrived at a different conclusion. seabeckind Jun 2016 #102
Nope...Bernie does it often... Sancho Jun 2016 #105
It's a matter of comprehension. seabeckind Jun 2016 #143
Those of us who studied the proposals didn't like them... Sancho Jun 2016 #146
A lot like social security in the 30s. seabeckind Jun 2016 #147
sorry, but my union studied Bernie's education proposals extensively... Sancho Jun 2016 #151
So what investment fund did the study? seabeckind Jun 2016 #152
Here's a start..it's an old story... Sancho Jun 2016 #153
Oh cute... a Gish Gallop. seabeckind Jun 2016 #154
No..it makes a big difference according to accountants. Sancho Jun 2016 #156
BS. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #157
That was just ONE issue too...Bernie had lots of other poor proposals. Sancho Jun 2016 #161
Ok, I'll try again. seabeckind Jun 2016 #164
That's not true... Sancho Jun 2016 #168
The very label is disengenuous.. brooklynite Jun 2016 #173
they forget with anti bernie hate and trip over the line larkrake Jun 2016 #128
I doubt that they are out to acquire a dose of Trump... Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #54
hard sell? enid602 Jun 2016 #58
No worries. She'll get 'em Rose Siding Jun 2016 #59
"We're building our campaign a different way" azmom Jun 2016 #65
A radically different way. Marr Jun 2016 #75
And how hard a sell is FrankenTrump? RBInMaine Jun 2016 #69
Nonsense. n/t Lucinda Jun 2016 #73
Yawn LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #77
Then they will have to buy The Donald! It's their future. Walk away Jun 2016 #79
There are six millenial voters in my family Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #80
millennials have not lived through years of her crap yet, but they will find out larkrake Jun 2016 #129
Not when the other display case only has Trump in it. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #84
Tell the Millennials to sit down and shut up. Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #88
I have to wonde about anyone that has to be sold on HRC Gman Jun 2016 #93
You mean the ones that have all the time in the world for rallies but none for voting? n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #94
I disagree Buzz cook Jun 2016 #95
Why listen to Hillary's speeches? She rarely says anything substantial in them. w4rma Jun 2016 #108
It seems like you haven't nt Buzz cook Jun 2016 #124
I have. I stopped because she wasn't telling me substantive information. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #125
She doesn't say anything. I still dont know her policies, they seem to change larkrake Jun 2016 #130
Me neither. My expectation is Clinton is telling her donors the truth while lying to the public. w4rma Jun 2016 #172
If Hillary makes any concessions to Bernie for the youth vote oasis Jun 2016 #99
She wants the job, it's HER responsibility to reach out WolverineDG Jun 2016 #119
If she's gotta reach out, why the hell make any concessions to Bernie? oasis Jun 2016 #120
that is what reaching out is-duh larkrake Jun 2016 #131
forget it, he has a revolution to run and a republican to dis-embowel larkrake Jun 2016 #132
It's called "politicking" for a reason WolverineDG Jun 2016 #190
Bernie had better make himself useful. He's already pushing oasis Jun 2016 #192
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #220
And to anyone that's been paying attention to her policies. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #107
It's Wednesday! brooklynite Jun 2016 #117
She's a hard sell to this 70 year old! williesgirl Jun 2016 #118
Well we all have to grow up at some point and realize we can't get what we want La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #121
wrong, it never pays to Settle. you go ahead tho larkrake Jun 2016 #134
lol ok La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #169
Well, it's their choice. Beacool Jun 2016 #122
How much of Bernie's appeal to young people was about helping with college debt? Justice Jun 2016 #136
How about college price gouging? seabeckind Jun 2016 #145
look at the time............. MFM008 Jun 2016 #138
Still YELLING at us I see. Thanks for your INPUT. Hekate Jun 2016 #139
She's a hard sell to anyone who is not a hawk. Vattel Jun 2016 #140
and generation X, and boomers, and geezers.... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #144
THIS vintx Jun 2016 #214
Poll of millennial voters shows clear shift toward Democrats, away from Trump Gothmog Jun 2016 #148
life under a trump presidency will be a "hard reality" that doesn't go away beachbum bob Jun 2016 #155
Why the hell do you think the media spent a year pumping Trump up with a billion in free advertising Fumesucker Jun 2016 #158
i bet most millenials runaway hero Jun 2016 #162
Pretty telling. BlueStater Jun 2016 #165
Not really I think two-thirds of them will vote for her. book_worm Jun 2016 #167
Oooh, an "I won't vote" threat. Darb Jun 2016 #177
Yes using sales jargon is appropriate felix_numinous Jun 2016 #185
+1 Go Vols Jun 2016 #209
Truth is Hillary is a hard sell to most of America pinebox Jun 2016 #187
Until sensible people imagine a Prez Trump. MichiganVote Jun 2016 #200
Sensible people never wanted Clinton as the nominee. bvf Jun 2016 #205
Reminds me of the propaganda leading up to the illegal Iraq invasion RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #215
Wrong. Most see them both as snake oil salesmen pinebox Jun 2016 #210
This is going to be one long nightmare of an election season. vintx Jun 2016 #211
Great hit piece by RW Republican and a Libertarian Fla Dem Jun 2016 #216
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