2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts) Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:17 AM Jun 2016

HRC can only GAIN by working with Bernie on platform and party reform issues. [View all]

We all support her social liberal values.

It's just about adding economic democracy, internal party democracy and party renewal to the mix.

The voters are much more likely to rally to us in the fall if they see that HRC "gets it" that the system is broken and that real changes are needed(changes she can work for through executive actions AND through firing up the base to get a big national vote for a Democratic Senate and House in the fall).

It's not about letting Bernie give HRC orders...it's just about openness and listening to the people.

And a lot of HRC supporters have said that they preferred Bernie on the issues, but voted HRC because they thought she was "more electable". She can maintain electability WITHOUT being seen as just demanding Sanders voter support without making concessions to Sanders voters.

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HRC can only GAIN by working with Bernie on platform and party reform issues. [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP

Bargaining bravenak Jun 2016 #1

It's not a stage of grief. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #4

She NEEDS his support to win AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #54

He NEEDS her support to see his wishes made real Mr Maru Jun 2016 #57

No, he doesnt AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #67

Yeah, he does. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #68

No, his revolution has nothing to do with her AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #69

Whatever gets you through the day; but yeah. He needs her. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #70

Its a thing of beauty AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #71

it's a thing of beauty Mr Maru Jun 2016 #73

I didn't vote for Sander's platform. I voted for Clinton, and she won my state. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #2

Thats nice of you FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #3

45% of the "democratic pary"? And how many times have I heard that so many of the Sanders voters SFnomad Jun 2016 #6

If we are looking at the total electorate, then we are talking about more than 50% probably Ash_F Jun 2016 #13

No, you're not talking about "more than 50% probably" ... Secretary Clinton won ... she got well SFnomad Jun 2016 #18

Doesn't that make them Democrats? Ash_F Jun 2016 #20

If they're still Independents .... no it doesn't n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #22

I suppose someone can register as a Dem and identify as an indy Ash_F Jun 2016 #23

Then I guess you don't need their votes - right? azurnoir Jun 2016 #48

I think you meant to reply to someone else Ash_F Jun 2016 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #19

The "independents" who vote for Bernie are progressives who feel they have been JDPriestly Jun 2016 #24

We should look at the progressive independents as people who COULD be Democrats Ken Burch Jun 2016 #59

No, it is 45% of the democratic party FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #25

Oh no. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #10

If Hillary lost the nomination to Bernie, would you still want her to shape the platform? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #41

I would. I truly would. I would want the platform to include the best of her program Ken Burch Jun 2016 #60

OMG can you just imagine for a minute the grave dancing and howls of "YAY! NO MORE OLIGARCHY!" Mr Maru Jun 2016 #61

Yep Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #63

It's not like he stood for anything you've got any reason to object to. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #5

Most Americans, including myself, did not vote for Sanders nor his platform. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #11

HRC wasn't nominated to be the enemy of change. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15

I'm not having this emotion based argument with you, nor any other. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #17

Thank you all american girl Jun 2016 #38

Thank you too shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #74

Obama gave her the SOS job she wanted for her endorsement. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #8

by which you mean Hillary agreed to do the SOS job, doing him an enormous favor. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #14

Funny how you look at it differently from then to know with very similar circumstances. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #32

Hillary was a horrible SoS. Kerry and Obama on the other hand have done great things think Jun 2016 #34

You do understand that the SOS works at the pleasure of the President. all american girl Jun 2016 #40

Even more insulting that Obama deliberately made poor choices when he had a female SoS Sheepshank Jun 2016 #46

Try as you might, but it's not gender based. She's a hawk and always has been Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #56

Her hawkishness as SoS (if there even such a thing) was at the will of the president Sheepshank Jun 2016 #62

There is such a thing, and she served as an advisor to our President. She also stovepiped... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #65

Well, good for you. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #49

Since you voted, the Weathervane has changed Directions AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #72

For someone who lost a primary, his supporters sure feel they are entitled to a lot n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #7

A lot of HRC supporters have said they agree with Bernie on a lot of the issues. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26

Why do we need Bernie when we have Warren? Tarc Jun 2016 #9

Warren's endorsement of Hillary Clinton, was, as I remember, not done on the issues. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #12

"as I remember" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #33

Because Warren is viewed by many as having sold out? Jackilope Jun 2016 #16

Will you say the same about Sanders when he endorses HRC? n/t BzaDem Jun 2016 #21

I'm sorry, but this post is a sad commentary on the last gasp of the Sanders campaign Tarc Jun 2016 #27

You keep throwing people under the bus in your search for purity. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #29

Interesting comparison to Occupy Jackilope Jun 2016 #36

He was one of the major candidates for the nomination. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #50

It must be considered that some issues Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #28

I think they should band together in assault weapons and background checks.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #42

Do you create a new one of these OPs every two hours? Clinton economic policies were voted on. seabeyond Jun 2016 #30

She may allow some platitudes in the platform, but you can bet your last dollar that she ... Scuba Jun 2016 #31

We will have to speak louder than all that easy money. Orsino Jun 2016 #43

Eighty gazillion recs, or, better, a couple of million in the streets. Scuba Jun 2016 #44

They already are. The meetings have been going on. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #35

I just want to clarify, I preferred her on the issues.. all american girl Jun 2016 #37

Agreed democrattotheend Jun 2016 #39

Bernie appears to want to dictate his whole platform as "working with" Hillary Sheepshank Jun 2016 #45

If she is going to be the leader of the party liberalnarb Jun 2016 #51

The loser doesn't get to call the shots Sheepshank Jun 2016 #55

You have such an authoritative tone in saying this liberalnarb Jun 2016 #66

Since when did the LOSER in the primary get to set the agenda? I mean, the dude BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #47

Translation: Clinton should step aside and let Sanders have the nomination KingFlorez Jun 2016 #52

Of course pat_k Jun 2016 #53

I support Hillary or Bernie, but I wouldn't mind her championing some of the stuff that he does. qdouble Jun 2016 #58

The DNC needs to listen to Bernie RobertEarl Jun 2016 #75