2016 Postmortem

reformist2

(9,841 posts) Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:22 PM Jun 2016

At least people are trying to explain away the Bernie rallies. People sense something doesn't add up [View all]

I understand the natural instinct is to provide a "reasonable" (and legal) reason for the huge mismatch between Bernie's stadium-sized crowds, and the official vote counts in so many important primaries. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate. But even if we all stated thinking our elections were rigged, would we do anything about it? Probably not, and that realization is even more horrible. Maybe that's why we don't want to open up that can of worms. It would ruin our happy 4th of July celebrations.

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At least people are trying to explain away the Bernie rallies. People sense something doesn't add up [View all] reformist2 Jun 2016 OP

This CT nonsense is getting ridiculous bravenak Jun 2016 #1

President Ron Paul concurs. Metric System Jun 2016 #2

This. metroins Jun 2016 #22

As does President George Wallace. OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #28

Yep. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #31

+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #89

Come the fuck on... MadBadger Jun 2016 #3

lol nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #47

Bernie did well. He got millions of votes. ucrdem Jun 2016 #4

I was in a California polling place on election day. There were an awful lot of provisional ballots JDPriestly Jun 2016 #101

No surprise there, but that's why they're taking so long to tally. ucrdem Jun 2016 #110

It's not 'explaining away'. It's pointing out the obvious to people who are invested in conspiracy. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #5

Bernie won one of the Dakotas by 253 to 101 underthematrix Jun 2016 #6

Those numbers do not represent the number of caucus goers. oberliner Jun 2016 #42

Okay i just read up on it and I now understand what ND means by vote totals underthematrix Jun 2016 #48

Yes, they represent "state convention delegates" oberliner Jun 2016 #53

yes in WA MFM008 Jun 2016 #74

"we don't want to open up that can of worms." DJ13 Jun 2016 #7

Hillary is not going to lose in November. People of color will not let underthematrix Jun 2016 #57

In some cases, the crowd estimates by Sanders's handlers were out of proportion annavictorious Jun 2016 #8

She got absentee ballot votes. That always concerns me. floriduck Jun 2016 #11

You're concerned that she got absentee ballot votes? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #32

Don't let those old folks vote now!! MADem Jun 2016 #49

Of course, absentee ballot votes are always for Bernie. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #92

That's how most of the people vote in my area in Florida, and not just the elderly. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #99

I agree in Florida and a few others. I lived in Jacksonville previously. floriduck Jun 2016 #108

A very high percentage. And I AM for real. floriduck Jun 2016 #107

Why does that concern you? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #104

No but it has a greater risk of potential problems. And Hillarys number were high for some reason. floriduck Jun 2016 #109

How many rallies had tables where people were encouraged to apply for an absentee ballot? brooklynite Jun 2016 #40

Yep! Rallies are not the voting booth. brush Jun 2016 #55

+1 oasis Jun 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #68

He was aiming for a Bandwagon Effect and it didn't materialize for him. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #85

What I believe Trajan Jun 2016 #9

The candidate with the most votes won. annavictorious Jun 2016 #12

oh dear you forgot to post any proof of your asserting that a crime was committed nt msongs Jun 2016 #33

As with religion, you're free to believe what you want...convincing anyone else requires evidence brooklynite Jun 2016 #41

Stuff happened that I do not like, ergo conspiracy. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #44

DNC did not run rallies OR state elections. nt MADem Jun 2016 #50

it does smell, I give you that swhisper1 Jun 2016 #58

I think your "belief" is pretty much the truth. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #86

Except the states Bernie won GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #87

If you say so. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #88

I agree 100%. 99Forever Jun 2016 #90

Another in agreement. n/t Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #112

It's fine so long as it benefits her, when it happens TO her in the GE they will be screaming onecaliberal Jun 2016 #10

She's got the two best campaigners in the world in her tent: Barack and Bill. ucrdem Jun 2016 #16

Alrighty then... annavictorious Jun 2016 #20

What's fine when it benefits her? There was no fraud in the primaries. NONE. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #105

jesuschristonapogostick!!! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #13

It is odd that the Obama crowds in 2008 translated into votes but Sanders rallies in 2016 less so. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #14

What it tells is that crowd sizes are not predictive.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #52

Rally crowd sizes have nothing to do with it. It's voting booth crowds that matter. brush Jun 2016 #56

Odd that two posters mis-read my post and felt the need to tell me I was wrong anyway. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #61

Thinking that rally attendance in '08 translated to votes is just a guess. brush Jun 2016 #64

Don't waste your time lancer78 Jun 2016 #65

What stage is the FBI investigation, stage 6? Matt_R Jun 2016 #71

Stage 100 lancer78 Jun 2016 #73

Yep not watergate, that was a break in at a hotel... Matt_R Jun 2016 #94

Sanders got off to a slow start and then did much better than anyone, PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #66

Sorry, but the rallies were expensive — arena rental fees, security, clean-up brush Jun 2016 #67

Only if you don't count the SuperPac dollars... Matt_R Jun 2016 #72

You know it doesn't add up. They cheated their asses off and they are already trying to rewrite GoneFishin Jun 2016 #15

Reminder: Exit-Poll Conspiracy Theories Are Totally Baseless creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #78

Back in 2008 littlebit Jun 2016 #17

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #18

Delusional denial of reality is not proof of anything other than questionable judgement annavictorious Jun 2016 #26

A lot of her supporters have turned a blind eye to demonstrable proof before. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #62

What proof? creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #79

When we accepted 2000, they knew they could do whatever they wanted. glowing Jun 2016 #19

Can you explain what "doesn't add up"? Recursion Jun 2016 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #23

Rallies are political theater and social events. qdouble Jun 2016 #24

No one is trying to "explain away" anything. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #25

Agree ... Bieber is the best musician ever tandot Jun 2016 #27

Your reasoning is utterly ludicrous justiceischeap Jun 2016 #29

Relentless conspiracy theories. vdogg Jun 2016 #30

Voting is routine and expected. HassleCat Jun 2016 #34

Nobody felt the need to "explain away" Howard Dean's rallies... brooklynite Jun 2016 #35

I gave up on those long ago. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #36

He atrracted younger people who don't also vote and have time to go to rallies. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #37

Rally vs No Rally jamese777 Jun 2016 #38

I'm a reliable voter - haven't missed a single election PAMod Jun 2016 #39

Me, too. And I'm from a large urban region...never went to a rally. libdem4life Jun 2016 #43

Same sarae Jun 2016 #46

I am in the same mindset. MADem Jun 2016 #51

I'm there with you. Adrahil Jun 2016 #98

I don't think there's a disconnect. sarae Jun 2016 #45

See the problem is you're using math ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #93

. RandySF Jun 2016 #54

Anyone who thinks US elections are not easily hackable is a fool. peace13 Jun 2016 #60

Yes elections are hacked, during the counting All in it together Jun 2016 #63

I haven't had a happy 4th of July since 2004... Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #69

Then how did Obama win? creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #80

Then there's this classic... KansDem Jun 2016 #103

K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #70

"Trying to explain away" = cognitive dissonance AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #75

When it doesn't add up, people of integrity try to find out why. senz Jun 2016 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #77

Sanders' rallies were held exclusively in and around college campuses. When someone tries to Trust Buster Jun 2016 #81

You seem to be trying to explain away people's votes gollygee Jun 2016 #82

Bernie had a terrible ground game Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #83

Bands fill stadiums all the time. Doesn't mean I'd make Justin Beiber the President. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #84

I'm sure it's some kind of conspiracy. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #91

Find me a state where Bernie got less votes than rally attendence ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #95

Large stadium crowds had LITTLE to do with the MILLIONS of people who actually VOTED. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #96

I Agree Completely... I Could Go On And On... ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #97

Check Out Protecting Our Vote Video Here... kadaholo Jun 2016 #100

I have been to many rallies. HassleCat Jun 2016 #102

There's nothing TO explain away. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #106

John Kerry had huge rallies as well... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #111

There's a lawsuit in the works that explains it. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #113