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onenote

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35. You're wrong. And I can show you why.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:03 PM - Edit history (3)

Your assumption that there are a million or so votes that have been invalidated is based on the following:

Padilla says 6 million votes have been processed. The exact number is 6,044,814 (see bottom of page, ballots cast column at http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/status/

The reported returns in the presidential primaries (including the four third party primaries) show 1,610,657 (aggregate R) +1,528,853 (Bernie) + 1,977,908 (Clinton) + 32,000 (approx.) (other Dem. candidates) + 65,764 "Third Party&quot =5,215,182
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/

6,044,814 minus 5,215,182 =829,632

So where did these 829,632 ballots that were cast go? No where. They just weren't cast for anyone in any of the presidential primaries.

As support, I direct your attention to the California Target Book Report
http://www.californiatargetbook.com/ctb/default/assets/File/CA_Target_Book_-_06-06_-_Media_Advisory_-_Primary_Voter_Turnout.pdf

That report, which folks have been citing in support of the claim that there are up to three million uncounted votes (turns out to be closer to 2.6 million but not a bad guesstimate), states that as of Monday night 2.7 million mail-in ballots had been received and that 49 percent were Democratic primary ballots and 34 percent were Republican primary ballots. That leaves 17 percent, or nearly 460,000 ballots received by Monday night that were not Democratic or Republican presidential primary ballots. Now, some number of them were for the third party primaries, but since those primaries, after the addition of in-person ballots, only totaled around 66,000 its probably a safe estimate that no more than 50 percent of that total was received by Monday. Subtract those from the 460,000 ballots not cast in the Democratic or Republican primaries, and your left with 427,000 votes that apparently were cast before Monday but not in any of the presidential primaries. Since we know that the number of votes processed was around 6 million and that 2.7 million of them were mail in ballots received by Monday night, that means the number of in-person ballots cast on Tuesday was over 3 million. And just as 400,000 plus of the early mail in votes were not presidential primary ballots, its is likely that 400,000 plus of the 3 million in-person ballots also were not presidential primary ballots.

So, when you add the 427,500 non presidential primary ballots received by Monday with the likely estimate of another 400,000 plus non-presidential primary in-person ballots processed on election night, you end up pretty much at the number of supposedly "invalidated ballots." Only they weren't invalidated, they just weren't cast in the presidential primaries and thus didn't show up in your estimate of the votes cast.

ON EDIT: The numbers on the California website continue to be updated. Since the time I wrote my original post, the number of processed ballots has increased to 6,128,180. Clinton's lead over Sanders has increased from 449,055 to 456,699.



Be careful what you wish for, Bernie will likely lose by more. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
since they are throwing out provisional ballots voting for Bernie J_J_ Jun 2016 #3
How do you know that? Adrahil Jun 2016 #5
Proof please. The voters were given plenty of notice and opportunity to have the right ballot tonyt53 Jun 2016 #6
Great point PJMcK Jun 2016 #51
Typical Brockoli...not wanting votes counted. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #54
There's no way to know this. If, after review, a provisional ballot is not eligible to be counted... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #11
Unopened? Ha! scscholar Jun 2016 #33
Link? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #34
Last election Seattle Times said they admitted to tossing 7% of the ballots... scscholar Jun 2016 #36
That didn't respond to my question ... but whatever. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #37
So why did it work so well in Oregon? Retrograde Jun 2016 #40
I think one of the differences is that California isn't solely vote by mail onenote Jun 2016 #49
What makes you think they're leftynyc Jun 2016 #18
You guys seem to think HRC owned the absintee vote. Skink Jun 2016 #20
I don't see Hillary supporters leftynyc Jun 2016 #21
Get real, hippie. Unicorns, rainbows and fair elections just ain't gonna happen! Scuba Jun 2016 #2
What someone else pointed out previously... randome Jun 2016 #4
The article says that most of the provisional and mail-in ballots TexasTowelie Jun 2016 #7
No kidding..."the statement on Reddit that they ALL voted for Bernie is dubious." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #13
there is nothing on the provisional ballot which identifies the race or age of the voter Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #32
Pardon me, TexasTowelie Jun 2016 #45
the voters registration card has that information Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #48
I don't know the specifics for California, TexasTowelie Jun 2016 #50
Some of that information is public record Retrograde Jun 2016 #55
the match off the mail in and provisional ballots to the voters registration Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #56
Do Bernie voters not know how to/or bother to register to vote? livetohike Jun 2016 #8
You believe that one million people who had their votes thrown out are idiots? J_J_ Jun 2016 #16
If they didn't know the rules leftynyc Jun 2016 #19
There is no evidence in your post that a million people had their votes thrown out. ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #27
One million people didn't have their votes thrown out. See post #35. onenote Jun 2016 #44
If someone at Reddit supposes it, it must be true! FSogol Jun 2016 #9
It was done to Protect the Democratic party from outside influence , other Americans, bahrbearian Jun 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Jun 2016 #12
This seems to be a recurring issue. Not this specific thing, but voting irregularities in general. hughee99 Jun 2016 #14
they would rather blame one million voters J_J_ Jun 2016 #17
At least right now they would rather blame the voters. hughee99 Jun 2016 #23
Karma is .... onecaliberal Jun 2016 #53
See post # 35 onenote Jun 2016 #38
Still can't admit defeat, eh? Tarc Jun 2016 #15
More crack journalism from Reddit. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #22
reddit: investigative journalism at its finest! workinclasszero Jun 2016 #24
"...1 million votes (probably for Bernie) have already been thrown into the trashcan!" BULLSHIT Sheepshank Jun 2016 #25
This is nonsense. ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #26
Yep: See post #35. onenote Jun 2016 #39
Chance that all the discarded votes were pro-bernie is NIL Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #28
The OP doesn't even have any evidence of "discarded votes." ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #31
If you voted on a provisional ballot, you can check its status. See link to the list for you. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #29
By the way, you're assuming that provisional ballots are being discarded. ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #30
Provisional ballots in Santa Clara county Retrograde Jun 2016 #42
You're wrong. And I can show you why. onenote Jun 2016 #35
Plus, there were 4 other presidential primaries that day Retrograde Jun 2016 #41
Yep. They're specifically taken into account in my explanation onenote Jun 2016 #43
Somebody saying so on reddit is not an actual source. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46
Are you saying that the people counting the votes and verifying the ballots MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #47
Link?? This is straight from Reddit please FloridaBlues Jun 2016 #52
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