2016 Postmortem

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94. ENSURED AS DESCRIBED BY GREG PALAST ANALYSIS!

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Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:01 PM

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12.8%. That's the margin Hillary won CA by. Remember those suspect polls that were [View all] MariaThinks Jun 2016 OP

They are not intentionally lying Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #1

Yeah well a news bomb stomped on turnout in California so that changed the situaton Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #24

And yet Clinton wins primaries that have much higher turnouts than caucuses mythology Jun 2016 #30

And yet polling clearly showed that high turnout in California would benefit Sanders Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #34

Bernie had a slight lead if those who SAID THEY WOULD NOT VOTE were included in the poll. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

They also needed a cover story to explain why Bernie's 10% expected win turned into a 12% reported GoneFishin Jun 2016 #70

GoneFishing, a couple of political scientists Hortensis Jun 2016 #72

Yes, that's how they do it. Helga Scow Stern Jun 2016 #113

the question is why did Bernie's enthusiastic supporters let him down onenote Jun 2016 #35

The question is who coordinated the movement of 20+ superdelegates on the night before the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #37

Again. Imagine the scenario in which there were a dozen or more SDs ready to jump on Sanders' side onenote Jun 2016 #39

Surveying has been for the past year. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #40

You didn't answer my question. onenote Jun 2016 #43

You're raising a good point Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #46

You know what happened before Monday that convinced more supers to announce for Hillary? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #48

So, why did the Bernie fans in CA not vote?? riversedge Jun 2016 #57

Maybe they thought the election was over since that message was blaring from every MSM news? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #65

haha. riversedge Jun 2016 #80

Well, Sanders preyed upon their gullibility. If you are right, that gullibility cost him California Hoyt Jun 2016 #103

How does it change the polls? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #73

How about "it rains on both sides"? Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #75

Has there been a study? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #79

ENSURED AS DESCRIBED BY GREG PALAST ANALYSIS! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #94

this is just for California Bill USA Jun 2016 #56

Thanks!! Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #93

People are on polls overload. polls now about November aren't worth the time to look at. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2

News flash from the Associated Press: vote suppression works virtualobserver Jun 2016 #3

oh - so you think Romney didn't lose? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #5

The AP didn't call an election in 2012 virtualobserver Jun 2016 #10

It stinks to lose, doesn't it? KingFlorez Jun 2016 #8

No, vote suppression stinks. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #11

Calling this vote suppresion is insulting to the victims of real vote suppression. onenote Jun 2016 #41

there are many forms of vote suppression... virtualobserver Jun 2016 #55

It really is. onenote Jun 2016 #64

you are just making excuses for this kind of manipulation virtualobserver Jun 2016 #66

No you are making excuses for people who get a sad and decide they don't want to vote onenote Jun 2016 #78

Well this is a very well known effect, among experts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #81

Reporter gets reliable tip day before NY primary that Clinton is going to be indicted onenote Jun 2016 #83

Reporter has to run up the flag to editor and make sure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #84

two more examples onenote Jun 2016 #88

Not report and the AP is getting it from ethics folks. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #89

Personally, I think the idea of the press taking direction from a political party onenote Jun 2016 #90

I find advocacy unethical nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #92

Of course they're not. Which is why Clinton is the presumptive nominee onenote Jun 2016 #95

Which is why the party told press NOT TO COUNT THEM nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #96

Yes you are a journalist. But your views on journalism are not the only views onenote Jun 2016 #97

Of course, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #100

I'm quite familiar with FAIR. And while I like some of what they do onenote Jun 2016 #105

And by doing that likely affected the election nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #106

Yes, the reporting of facts can impact an election onenote Jun 2016 #114

The AP did not report in this case nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #117

it wasn't "bad news".....they were told that the Presidential race was over virtualobserver Jun 2016 #91

Jesus nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #74

Thank you ... I'm tired of saying it. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #63

It won't stink to LOSE the Hillary conspiracies at DU. Sometimes losing oasis Jun 2016 #13

It's the press 'horse race' mentality... Blanks Jun 2016 #4

There weren't any polls showing Bernie 10% ahead. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6

exactly. Most recent polls had a two point spread. It was the survey USA and one other one I don't still_one Jun 2016 #27

I would be real careful about bragging about a CA win, entire blocks were not on rosters, larkrake Jun 2016 #7

Sounds... MrWendel Jun 2016 #9

amazing isn't it. Regardless of the margin of victory, regardless of the 2008 support levels, MariaThinks Jun 2016 #15

Yep. The great conspirators allowed Sanders to win in MN and WI just to throw folks off the scent onenote Jun 2016 #44

Cruel were the "powers that be" to allow Bernie's Michigan win. oasis Jun 2016 #99

no, we already know the truth, some people just invent elaborate conspiracy theories geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14

Hell of a suppression technique that keeps 80% of the registered Dems from voting fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #23

And not a shred of evidence to support any of those assertions. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #50

i don't remember any polls with him ahead. at best he was a couple points behind JI7 Jun 2016 #12

Hmm conicidence nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #16

Your county registrar was just guessing. And s/he wasn't that far off. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #18

10 points is way off nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21

"Barely 50" and 55 is pretty close. Good guess. pnwmom Jun 2016 #22

60 percent, 55-60, that is what Michael Vu spoke about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #26

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #31

But voter suppression is easy d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #38

They do not wnat to admit it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #42

If people choose not to vote it shouldn't be called vote suppression onenote Jun 2016 #49

This is a well known tecnnique nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #58

Because it clearly was not voter suppression. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #52

Experts in the field do not agree with you. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #59

So the media should avoid reporting facts because they might impact an election? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #61

Actually there have been proposals on this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #68

Sorry pal, we've got the 1st Amendment here. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #69

Not if you can prove harm nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #71

But there were all kinds of other races on the ballot LisaM Jun 2016 #32

This is an effect that has been known for decades nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #36

It throws it off a bit TheFarseer Jun 2016 #17

They told that to all the Hillary people, too. pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

They told them TheFarseer Jun 2016 #82

Bernie's campaign spent too much money on large rallies (which are very expensive) pnwmom Jun 2016 #85

You're not wrong TheFarseer Jun 2016 #86

Polling organizations live and die by the accuracy of their polling predictions. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #20

They also probably did not account for the provisional ballots that were foisted on unwary voters. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #29

What smells bad is the >30% reduced voter turnout due to the corporate media. The election results JudyM Jun 2016 #25

Comparing any primary to 2008 is bogus onenote Jun 2016 #45

Seems it was reported that there were more new registrations in CA for this election... JudyM Jun 2016 #51

Correct. And the calculations I gave you took that into account onenote Jun 2016 #62

That is not the final tally. The provisional votes (and based on my experience, there were lots of JDPriestly Jun 2016 #28

This serves as a perfect example of why these potential presidential matchup polls that some Trust Buster Jun 2016 #33

Clinton is far more likely to get hit with a "November surprise" than Sanders is. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #60

Sure she is because she's the nominee and Sanders isn't. ???????? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #104

No. Because there are a million FBI investigations surrounding her private server. w4rma Jun 2016 #115

that's a big margin! those predicting bernie by 10 were off 22%age points! Bill USA Jun 2016 #53

There weren't any polls putting Bernie that far ahead. The best he's done was 1 pt. Zynx Jun 2016 #54

Pretty handy that there were none of those pesky exit polls which prove that Bernie should GoneFishin Jun 2016 #67

exit polls cost money and Hillary was a shoe in to win the nomination regardless of who won qdouble Jun 2016 #108

It should have been a 20 point win. HassleCat Jun 2016 #76

Stolen. AzDar Jun 2016 #77

Stolen from Bernie bhikkhu Jun 2016 #87

What did the "Citizens' Exit Poll" determine? brooklynite Jun 2016 #98

500,000 votes still uncounted in CA.. grasswire Jun 2016 #101

If you need to believe that AP's announcement did nothing, then sure, pollsters lied. merrily Jun 2016 #102

It doesn't matter. Even if for some miracle Bernie won by a few percentage points, Hillary would qdouble Jun 2016 #109

Irrelevant to my post and also untrue. merrily Jun 2016 #110

The AP announced it because your candidate lost. News organizations have been counting qdouble Jun 2016 #111

False and still irrelevant to my post. merrily Jun 2016 #112

"the polls that showed Romney would beat us" ? Are you sure about that? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #107

Romney 49%, Obama 48% in Gallup's Final Election Survey MariaThinks Jun 2016 #119

I just read that there are still approximately 3 million votes not counted. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #116

and if they all are for Bernie, he wins California! MariaThinks Jun 2016 #120

Those polls showing Bernie ahead were not of likely voters. applegrove Jun 2016 #118