and there's your problem... (Reply #37)

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Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:44 AM

msanthrope (37,549 posts)

37. and there's your problem...

Intelligent women who have heard her on the abortion issue know that she is accurately reflecting the state of the law for the last 40 years in this nation.... like it or not the state has the right to restrict abortion past the point of viability. It's settled law and that's not going to change.

Women who know reproductive law like me understand exactly what Hillary is saying. That you refuse to accept my expertise and the expertise of organizations like Planned Parenthood doesn't win any points for your argument.

In your attempt to explain reproductive law you only show your shallow understanding of it.

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115 replies	Author	Time	Post
What makes this most difficult to accept [View all]	retrowire	Jun 2016	OP
The people have spoken.	redstateblues	Jun 2016	#1
Yes, but what they actually said is not as clear as some on DU pretend. A mere sampling.	merrily	Jun 2016	#6
What "people"?	pinebox	Jun 2016	#15
Like they did in 2004, when Chimpy was re-elected? n/t	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#63
That doesn't make them right or wise. n/t	Jester Messiah	Jun 2016	#90
No they haven't. Don't mistake results from a corrupted system as speaking for the People.	rhett o rick	Jun 2016	#114
It's not difficult for me to accept.	bigwillq	Jun 2016	#2
Well said!	One of the 99	Jun 2016	#17
Congrats on 2,000 posts!	bigwillq	Jun 2016	#29
Thanks! nt	One of the 99	Jun 2016	#32
The Media has spoken.	snort	Jun 2016	#109
Trade deals? She will work with Congress. Military conflict? She will use prudence.	tonyt53	Jun 2016	#3
LOL! o.k.	merrily	Jun 2016	#7
Someone channeled their inner Bush this morning	pinebox	Jun 2016	#16
um, you should probably not direct that comment to me.	merrily	Jun 2016	#20
lol	pinebox	Jun 2016	#22
"There is no bargaining on that for her." - Did you miss the time Clinton indicated she was open to	PoliticAverse	Jun 2016	#28
I am not so sure she will use prudence	democrattotheend	Jun 2016	#112
Ok	boston bean	Jun 2016	#4
3 isnt? because shes literally said this about womens right to choose	retrowire	Jun 2016	#9
and there's your problem...	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#37
this was the proudest most pompous response ive ever received	retrowire	Jun 2016	#41
Thing is, you'd turn away because you have no answer to the legal point raised.	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#69
no, its really that I don't know that you're right	retrowire	Jun 2016	#75
Thank you for making my point....clinging to ignorance about actual reproductive law, whilst	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#83
oh boy	retrowire	Jun 2016	#94
Casey is the SCOTUS decision that defines abortion rights for American women.	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#100
okay, has bernie gone against Casey? nt	retrowire	Jun 2016	#106
Yes. If he supports no restrictions on abortion after viability, yes.	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#110
Casey was a SCOTUS abortion case...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jun 2016	#104
I just got mansplained on abortion rights by a guy who doesn't know what this is.	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#108
I find this to be one of the most intelligent and beautifully worded responses on this topic. Thanks	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#44
Thank you.....note that the OP finds my tone not to his liking....it's hilarious. nt	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#85
I am an intelligent woman who has heard Hillary's stance on abortion and other issues...	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#64
You've "heard" on abortion? I've worn the blue vest. Maybe you need to hear from more	msanthrope	Jun 2016	#71
Oh no I made a typo. I will rush to fix it.	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#105
Responses	HERVEPA	Jun 2016	#11
Those flaws are high on the list for the privileged and not the marginalized and the fact that...	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#5
And this encourages Hillary supporters to be gracious winners ... HOW?	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#8
You're really having a lot of trouble with that one, aren't you?	merrily	Jun 2016	#23
Ha! Then the "beatings will continue," eh? As you wish.	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#34
Me and mine? Ugh. I posted to you about you. Are you responsible for every post by	merrily	Jun 2016	#40
Justify it as you will. Belligerence and pettiness changes nothing. Nothing!	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#66
Neither does snark about how you just can't be nice to Bernie's supporters, but that hasn't	merrily	Jun 2016	#88
Yes, yes ... we know. Bernie's aggressive supporters have suddenly become delicate flowers. And ...	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#101
Keep ignoring that you posted repeatedly that you did not know how Hillary supporters	merrily	Jun 2016	#103
I see you've taken your choice ... okay.	NurseJackie	Jun 2016	#107
If Planned Parenthood is good with her on choice, you can relax nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#10
it was befuddling to understand that endorsement in light of this	retrowire	Jun 2016	#12
I find the dog whistle stuff on abortion to be distracting	Tarc	Jun 2016	#27
With respect	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#30
"Bernie wasn't running to be president of the United States" -- ALL his statements to the contrary..	JonLeibowitz	Jun 2016	#98
He never tried to appeal to moderates/centrists or Republicans	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#102
No, it wasn't. They've given the long list of explicit reasons for it.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#47
I agree. I was shocked honestly!	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#68
Not befuddling at all.	seaglass	Jun 2016	#84
Well, the head of PP endorsed her, but relaxing is silly when she put	merrily	Jun 2016	#42
That is not what she did.	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#67
RESTRICTIONS? on the bitty right to choose the SCOTUS has granted?	merrily	Jun 2016	#74
the SCOTUS never granted a right to abortions deep into the third trimester.	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#99
She will govern this country much like President Obama has done...	DCBob	Jun 2016	#13
i like obama but he isnt perfect	retrowire	Jun 2016	#21
I didnt say he was perfect but if you liked Obama then you should be fine with Hillary.	DCBob	Jun 2016	#24
I trust Obama's integrity, even when I disagree with him and feel comfortable with him in charge	Armstead	Jun 2016	#65
Because Obama focused a lot on racial justice issues?	merrily	Jun 2016	#43
No.. because she has said it many many times and has worked for women's issues in the past.	DCBob	Jun 2016	#45
Hillary has said a lot, including that she is willing to negotiate a Const. Am.	merrily	Jun 2016	#49
I trust her on this issue.	DCBob	Jun 2016	#54
Women are supposed to care who some anonymous DU male says he trusts on abortion?	merrily	Jun 2016	#92
Sorry. What Hillary has said has not always matched up to reality.	merrily	Jun 2016	#53
If you care about those issues or any issues, you'll vote Hillary in November.	YouDig	Jun 2016	#14
You only debate so far anyway. You really don't want a debate.	R B Garr	Jun 2016	#18
Here is the thing, I know in your hearts you believe all the hype about Clinton.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#19
Attacking HRC relentlessly for months didn't pan out, huh?	LexVegas	Jun 2016	#25
Yes. But only one side can win an election, and progressive success doesn't depend on one election	HereSince1628	Jun 2016	#26
"We lost an election and FOUND OURSELVES!"	Thirties Child	Jun 2016	#50
We can't really be sure if we lost or not. This is only a sample.	merrily	Jun 2016	#57
My case.	NCTraveler	Jun 2016	#31
Clear? Remind us about the Wall Street regulation she introduced as a Senator?	merrily	Jun 2016	#46
You literally just brought up a bill Sanders voted for.	NCTraveler	Jun 2016	#55
Speaking of honest discussion, how honest is your Reply 55 exactly?	merrily	Jun 2016	#62
There is not one single dishonest word in 55.	NCTraveler	Jun 2016	#72
Still more "honest" discussion in Reply 72. You must be so proud.	merrily	Jun 2016	#82
Hint: if you don't like abuse, find another forum.	Gregorian	Jun 2016	#33
By all voting measures, yes it was. nt	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#38
Or so it may seem on the surface.	merrily	Jun 2016	#51
Are you some kind of HA Goodman acolyte? No one has time to follow so many links down	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#56
Gee, I'm so sorry for backing up what I said with links instead of bullshitting. I'm so ashamed.	merrily	Jun 2016	#61
Interesting......	Land of Enchantment	Jun 2016	#77
Only one candidate can win	jzodda	Jun 2016	#35
you're not going to get an answer....	Locrian	Jun 2016	#36
I've never seen so much hysteria from people who are supposed to be critical thinkers.	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#39
Your arguments against Hillary's record and her money/corporate puppetmasters won't be heard here	Triana	Jun 2016	#48
There's really nothing to debate at this point	RandySF	Jun 2016	#52
your "fall in line" statement may be shocked to learn that	retrowire	Jun 2016	#58
I'm just saying that the debate over the Democratic nomination is over.	RandySF	Jun 2016	#60
im not debating though	retrowire	Jun 2016	#76
Are you arrogant enough	Demsrule86	Jun 2016	#59
When the voters are mistaken, like they were in 2004...	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#70
The problem is that you're pre-emptively claiming you are right.	randome	Jun 2016	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#87
I've expressed my objections to Bernie a number of times...	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#73
this statement falls into 2.	retrowire	Jun 2016	#79
Speaking of the world, how "pragmatic" is it...	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#80
Well, he certainly is a not a good guy....	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#86
Yeah, like how best to prevent the restoration of Democracy...	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#89
You didn't want a serious answer.	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#93
Getting insights is not by itself problematic...	Herman4747	Jun 2016	#95
Like you guys keep saying, Hillary won	democrattotheend	Jun 2016	#113
Hillary is nothing like Bernie folks here said she is.	upaloopa	Jun 2016	#81
fall in line right? nt	retrowire	Jun 2016	#96
She knows about our concerns with her perceived hawkishness	ecstatic	Jun 2016	#91
no no no	retrowire	Jun 2016	#97
Meaningless. You can't live in New York and not know people	ecstatic	Jun 2016	#111
Locking. Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.	In_The_Wind	Jun 2016	#115

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