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In reply to the discussion: Other than Hillary, who do you think should be locked up for violating email protocol? [View all]MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)99. despite all the security, there are still breeches. It's ignorant to believe gmail is secure.
and regardless where is the crime in that?
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Other than Hillary, who do you think should be locked up for violating email protocol? [View all]
qdouble
Jun 2016
OP
Can you find any other case where it was recommended that an official go to prison for using a
qdouble
Jun 2016
#2
Your link doesn't show that she actually broke the law, but most important, it doesn't state
qdouble
Jun 2016
#4
did Powell use a private server, or just a private email? There is a BIG difference. I
Exilednight
Jun 2016
#19
Are all email providers legally required not to delete your emails? And how does
qdouble
Jun 2016
#23
your implying that a server is bad only because the user can delete emails
puffy socks
Jun 2016
#187
So? there was a protocal to print emails which they did. Sent emails are saved on the recipient
MariaThinks
Jun 2016
#98
we don't really know if all emails were printed, we can only take Hillary's
Exilednight
Jun 2016
#102
Her attorney and staff didn't print them until long after she left the State Dept. and after they
2cannan
Jun 2016
#144
I'm a programmer... Gmail doesn't use any top-secret advanced algorithms to authenticate
qdouble
Jun 2016
#48
You understand there's a big difference in the degree of difficulty in what it takes
qdouble
Jun 2016
#111
despite all the security, there are still breeches. It's ignorant to believe gmail is secure.
MariaThinks
Jun 2016
#99
Millions of commercial email accounts get hacked every year yet these guys are acting like not using
qdouble
Jun 2016
#107
agreed. It's a witch hunt. I thought we were better on the left, but these past 3 months have shown
MariaThinks
Jun 2016
#147
Hillary is different because she's a Clinton. That means everything she does is attacked.
MariaThinks
Jun 2016
#79
Assuming that the people she is communicating aren't also all using private email servers,
qdouble
Jun 2016
#112
They should be able to dig up a lot of information through the internet service provider
qdouble
Jun 2016
#121
Both CIA Director Petraeus and Deutch were cited for felony violations of Espionage Act Sec 793.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#127
Well neither case is an exact match to the email situation.... I suppose Deutch would be close as
qdouble
Jun 2016
#130
The Deutch case is direct precedent. The CIA IG recommended prosecution and specified 18 USC 793(f)
leveymg
Jun 2016
#145
In terms of secure communication, there is nothing inherently more insecure about using a private
qdouble
Jun 2016
#34
Apparently that's not accurate. Her signed oaths or agreements, for one, are suspect.
Voice for Peace
Jun 2016
#217
Email communication is a two way street. Investigators should be able to draw evidence from those
qdouble
Jun 2016
#116
I know it won't matter to you but...at least if she had used a Google, Yahoo or MS email account
2cannan
Jun 2016
#61
A distinction without a difference since there is no evidence her server was hacked.
randome
Jun 2016
#73
Do you believe in management or laissez-faire incompetence? Check out this video.
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#133
Yes, because it would make sense for Hillary to specify that her server not be password protected
qdouble
Jun 2016
#168
The responsibility for setting up a server was hers. Her decision and no-one else's.
Kentonio
Jun 2016
#171
this isn't the point -- it's that her server was inaccessible to anyone but her people, many of whom
Voice for Peace
Jun 2016
#216
It's the same because if they raid your office, I'd assume you wouldn't have the chance to wipe all
qdouble
Jun 2016
#55
You asked me to explain why her assistants tried to hide it.... how is that not speculative?
qdouble
Jun 2016
#115
I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out that you are speculating about their motives and then
qdouble
Jun 2016
#141
You're launching an ad hominem attack on me without displaying that you have any knowledge that I'm
qdouble
Jun 2016
#59
It just is not a big enough deal to inherently create someone as a liar when I have no proof.
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#78
I know multiple languages, but I'm primarily a web programmer, I've been focusing mostly on
qdouble
Jun 2016
#93
I've run my own private servers, studied some white hat hacking, took IT courses,
qdouble
Jun 2016
#170
Why do you keep repeating your very carefully worded line about 'inherently secure'?
Kentonio
Jun 2016
#177
I'm saying that saying she used a PRIVATE SERVER is a bad argument because it implies that
qdouble
Jun 2016
#179
1. If someone once to vote for president based on their use of email address, then that's on them
qdouble
Jun 2016
#197
very little. Like when bush went after the Dixie Chicks the issue was the freedom of
MariaThinks
Jun 2016
#82
So you're saying the rules don't specifically cover that situation. That's fine.
randome
Jun 2016
#12
Err what? You do know we're talking about a private server, not just email right?
Kentonio
Jun 2016
#165
her sentencing would be for a Judge to decide after due process of the law. I just want to see it
Hiraeth
Jun 2016
#22
You want to see her sentencing play out? For which crime in particular and what would be a fair
qdouble
Jun 2016
#24
I'm not stupid or a weasel, but insulting the opposition is pretty standard fair for Bernouts.
qdouble
Jun 2016
#199
If you want to be an asshole, it's fine by me...but don't accuse me of not knowing your intentions
qdouble
Jun 2016
#202
All you've done is sling pejoratives while not actually showing that I lied about anything.
qdouble
Jun 2016
#208
I didn't lie. If you took what she said a different way than I took it, that's not tantamount to
qdouble
Jun 2016
#210
Your post doesn't address the OP at all. You guys are suggesting that she should go to prison, but
qdouble
Jun 2016
#28
Bernie's guys that jumped into the DNC records database knowing they should not be there.
tonyt53
Jun 2016
#29
Yes, computers protected by the security expertise of the NSA are indeed inherently more secure.
Kentonio
Jun 2016
#167
This is an argument from authority from a person who doesn't know how code works.
qdouble
Jun 2016
#176
I didn't say 'government computers' I said NSA protected which the SOS's communications warrant.
Kentonio
Jun 2016
#178
I'm not saying that I'm a leading authority, I'm backing up my argument with facts and logic.
qdouble
Jun 2016
#180
I see you chose to not address the OP at all... I asked specifically for what precedent for a person
qdouble
Jun 2016
#44
A and b don't point to any inherent weakness, only that it was against protocol, we've already
qdouble
Jun 2016
#72
Commercial servers have redundancies and have to be up to the requirements of protecting millions
qdouble
Jun 2016
#104
No one ever gives a coherent answer as to why "a PRIVATE SERVER" is so awful.
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#60
Perhaps because no one else has access to it besides the people she wanted to have access?
2cannan
Jun 2016
#68
another Trump talking point repeated by so called Dems. Yup, another Trump stumper.
Sheepshank
Jun 2016
#50
Really, how many who are in prison who should be released if Hillary isn't indicted?
pdsimdars
Jun 2016
#53
I guess that means you believe Hillary more than the IG of the State Department.
pdsimdars
Jun 2016
#124
The thread isn't about whether or not Hillary clinton violated protocol....it is what is the
qdouble
Jun 2016
#148
It's a right wing scandal. I see tons of republicans posting the exact same stuff and using the
qdouble
Jun 2016
#76
The FBI hasn't arrested her. No one knows what the results will be, but right-wingers
qdouble
Jun 2016
#161
The risk of her server being hacked isn't dramatically higher than the risk of someone's
qdouble
Jun 2016
#123
As I recall, plenty of us here advocated that Republicans be jailed for even lesser email offenses
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#94
Bill Clinton they work as a team. She and he put our Country in jeopardy and used
bkkyosemite
Jun 2016
#108
I don't know of a precedent of another SOS using a private server. I'll go with the FBI decision.
EndElectoral
Jun 2016
#134
Cheryl Mills has a history of covering Clinton Email Scandals... so that would be nice
trudyco
Jun 2016
#153
This thread is specifically in response to people who make it seem like Hillary should be in prison.
qdouble
Jun 2016
#156
I don't believe she's going to be indicted nor do I think she's going to go to prison
qdouble
Jun 2016
#157
Hillary will not be locked up for the emails, it is a good possibility Bernie and Jane Sanders
Thinkingabout
Jun 2016
#158
Unless you are the FBI Agent in charge or the Federal Prosecutor or the Federal Judge who's
99Forever
Jun 2016
#191