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2016 Postmortem

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:52 AM Jun 2016

Hillary supporters: How is Hillary's and your claiming victory prematurely going to unite the party? [View all]

I've seen more than one OP now about Hillary's victory speech and winning the nom by this Tuesday.

Now, we all know the rules. The rules to clinching the nom before the convention are having PLEDGED delegates. SUPER delegates do not get counted until the convention because that's when they vote.

Yet many Hillary supporters insist - in an oh so smug and arrogant manner - on saying she will win the nomination on Tuesday and that it will be called for her after the NJ results are in, before CA.

We all know CA is shaky ground for Hillary, so I can see why you all would want it called before the CA results are in, and it may well be called by the MSM since they are the corporate mouthpiece. That does not, however, make it true and by doing so, by stating something that is so blatantly false you and Hillarly exhibit such hubris and arrogance and disregard for the voters and democracy itself I don't see how you think you are going to earn the support of Bernie supporters.

So I have to ask, since you all want party unity with Hillary as the nominee, how is this going helping to achieve that? The only outcome I can see coming from it is further alienation of any voter that you should be trying to win over.

And I see post after post of Hillary supporters saying Bernie should show grace and class, how is declaring a victory before there can possibly be one based on the rules exhibiting class and grace?


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You think they actually care about unity? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #1
I care about as much as Obama did in 2008. joshcryer Jun 2016 #2
Sure they do. bvf Jun 2016 #7
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #10
LPCBBs demwing Jun 2016 #67
This isn't about Hillary, this is about not-Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2016 #3
Yep Funny that they think they are progressive and yet they abhor the first real progressive cui bono Jun 2016 #8
HRC supporters haven't thought that out yet. Skink Jun 2016 #83
Exactly. and before choosing a candidate, I for one... nenagh Jun 2016 #84
Lol, the winner declaring victory is not about Bernie, it's about the winner geek tragedy Jun 2016 #104
She wins on Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #4
No, she doesn't. How does claiming victory prematurely help unity? cui bono Jun 2016 #11
really ? becasue after New York the delegate lead became insurmountable beachbum bob Jun 2016 #27
Hillary stayed in until June, forcefully stated her case for doing so and condemned those who Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #35
Your recollection of the 2016 history is accurate. Thank you. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #62
It is June. And Clinton will be declaring victory under a similar set of facts as Obama: onenote Jun 2016 #110
She is the presumptive nominee and becomes official at the convention Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #49
Nope. bvf Jun 2016 #12
You guys are embarrassing yourselves Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #55
The "undemocratic" idea of the super-delegates are the rules established by the Democratic party. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #64
Please check back bvf Jun 2016 #68
win or lose, we keep the revolution going Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #70
Nonsense-not only will your 'revolution' not surive but we loose all progress since Roosevelt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108
They helped solidify my opinion on mending bridges Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #5
Well said. nt vintx Jun 2016 #60
There's no indication they want unity or a coalition. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #6
This thread is certainly making that clear. cui bono Jun 2016 #38
How does denying sheer reality and threatening protests at the convention help unity? RBInMaine Jun 2016 #9
No, you are wrong. cui bono Jun 2016 #14
This is how they build bridges Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #15
There will be protests at the convention for two very real reasons over and above the PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #66
She was much closer to Obama than Bernie is when Obama declared victory BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #13
There was much less at stake in 2008 because they are virtually identical cui bono Jun 2016 #16
As Joe Stalin once said, everyone has their reasons BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #18
You don't understand what this election is about. cui bono Jun 2016 #22
And your great hope to "save" democracy requires overturning the voters mythology Jun 2016 #28
Where did I say anything about overturning the voters... ? cui bono Jun 2016 #32
Many HRC supporters in 2008, and I wasn't one of them, were just as upset BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #30
Not this time. There are stark differences in the two Dem Party candidates. cui bono Jun 2016 #34
No, Democrats do not share the same domestic policy goals, many of us have spent a lifetime Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #39
What social policies are we fighting about now? BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #45
She did not concede until the primaries were over in 2008 passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #92
Because she could run for the WH again and there was zero point in continuing BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #97
Correct. But as soon as they were over Obama was claiming the nomination and the media agreed onenote Jun 2016 #99
It doesn't matter who claims it or agrees. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #109
Your premise is flawed. It's not premature. As for uniting the party ... Lil Missy Jun 2016 #17
Absolutely not. It's up to Hillary to unite the party if she is the nominee. cui bono Jun 2016 #23
By getting the majority of votes. With, or without you. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #42
What's funny about your statement is history justiceischeap Jun 2016 #47
Completely agree, I sure won't be recognizing her Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #19
It's not premature, she'll claim victory when she reaches a majority. YouDig Jun 2016 #20
A majority does not clinch the nomination. A certain amount is needed and she cannot reach it. cui bono Jun 2016 #25
Yes it does. Sorry, the rest of us don't go by #berniemath. YouDig Jun 2016 #29
There you go, proving my point again. cui bono Jun 2016 #36
No, you proving mine. #berniemath YouDig Jun 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #74
like this...hillary went thru a much harder and CLOSER primary fight with Obama in 2008 beachbum bob Jun 2016 #21
This is an entirely different situtation though, with much more at stake. cui bono Jun 2016 #31
This from the self-help column in today's paper: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #24
Gotta love how you guys keep proving my point. cui bono Jun 2016 #26
I think this is their tacit admission that Hillary is likely to be indicted Fumesucker Jun 2016 #33
I see crap like that and it strikes me that Camp Clinton has no desire to win in November and Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #41
I would like to add that my three kids who are Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary Clinton. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
Skinner's thing about "get it out of your systems" - everyone reads that as Sanders supporters. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #40
You are correct, except.... cui bono Jun 2016 #43
watch the tumbleweeds roll down the main street of GD grasswire Jun 2016 #81
Premature?? Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #46
They don't need us. We're throw aways. mmonk Jun 2016 #48
There is no helping some people Renew Deal Jun 2016 #50
Why is California magically more important than the other 57 contests? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #51
It's not. However, California has 34 million people. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #96
A phony premise. Most Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary. The more extreme ones on Trust Buster Jun 2016 #52
It worked when Obama did it in 2008 book_worm Jun 2016 #53
It's always considered over when pledged + SD gets the majority. Bernie wants different rules... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54
What do you think presumptive nominee means? Metric System Jun 2016 #56
Oh Boy. Bernie supporter Ass Kissing can only go on for so long. timlot Jun 2016 #57
Team Hill is desperate for the win Hydra Jun 2016 #58
would not matter what hillco does,Bernie was the reason many people wendylaroux Jun 2016 #59
We're you around the party in 2004 and/or 2008? This is how it works. Tarc Jun 2016 #61
A lot of these posters weren't voting Democratic anyway redstateblues Jun 2016 #63
Thing is, Hillary doesn't have to win CA to win the majority of pledged delegates. tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #65
they want bernie out so they can plug in biden after indictment restorefreedom Jun 2016 #69
Hillary will claim to be the *Presumptive* Nominee. As is the Tradition and long time Precedent. Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #71
not with her GE poll numbers MisterP Jun 2016 #78
Hillary's already moved on to the GE. okasha Jun 2016 #85
How is it premature to acknowledge the fact that as soon as onenote Jun 2016 #72
It has nothing to do with uniting the Party; it has to do with acknowledging reality. brooklynite Jun 2016 #73
Thank you for admitting that "nothing to do with uniting the party" azurnoir Jun 2016 #77
Finally an entire OP GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #75
I'm not talking at all about oh, they're being mean so I won't vote for their candidate. cui bono Jun 2016 #94
I understand GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #106
That's what campaigns are about, outreach. cui bono Jun 2016 #111
I don't care rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #76
their purpose is to push progressives out of our own party. grasswire Jun 2016 #79
Was it premature in 2008 RandySF Jun 2016 #80
I don't think anything Hillary or Bernie says at this point will affect the general much. merrily Jun 2016 #82
Sanders himself called for Obama in '08, ascent demanded of Clinton in '08. seabeyond Jun 2016 #86
Just because Sanders refuse to throw in the towel asuhornets Jun 2016 #87
HRC should go after the Repubs that need someone they can believe in. Skink Jun 2016 #88
No, she should make sure the party doesn't split in two, especially when she is a big reason cui bono Jun 2016 #95
I started another thread but I'll post it here too passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #89
The most favorable polls I can find ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #90
Excellent OP, cui bono. senz Jun 2016 #91
When they say "unite the Party", they mean Maedhros Jun 2016 #93
Another question: How is denying Clinton's victory going to unite the party onenote Jun 2016 #98
Lol, what nonsense Tarc Jun 2016 #100
pointing out things you don't like about a candidate is fair game Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #102
What' s premature? apcalc Jun 2016 #101
You don't get to deny her the right to declare victory in the same manner Obama did. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #103
Fine! I'll wait until tomorrow night, 10 PM Pacific. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #105
kinda like sanders and his people ignoring reality?? They have not intention of playing nice beachbum bob Jun 2016 #107
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