2016 Postmortem

bravenak

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75. Benefit to society is not anything to worry about

Sun May 29, 2016, 08:15 PM

May 2016

We are taliking about Hillary going to prison for bad data protection while he should be free when he was an actual THEIF!! Your idea of benefit to society is not the same as mine. Neither benefitted society one whit! One was lax protections and rule breaking and one violated statutes and ran from prosecution. The ordeal actually cost our government money and did not tell us anything we did not already know.

He kept saying he was going to release some brilliant NEW stuff that would SHOCK US! Then he'd say he was going to do it ina few months, then again, again, nothing new ever came of it besides Paul Revere memes and dumb conversations. He needs to be put to trial and investigated. She has already been chastised and investigated.

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Know what amuses me about this email thing? [View all] bravenak May 2016 OP

What crimes did Clinton blow the whistle on with her e-mail server? w4rma May 2016 #1

Excellent deflection rock May 2016 #9

Hillary Clinton’s Energy Initiative Pressed Countries to Embrace Fracking, New Emails Reveal w4rma May 2016 #41

Hillary Clinton Pushes Colombia Free Trade Agreement In Latest Email Dump w4rma May 2016 #43

what an irrelevant and predicatable response in line with the unreasoning hatred of Hillary. MariaThinks May 2016 #81

So, you believe that Hillary can do no wrong. Like a cult? (nt) w4rma May 2016 #82

there's a real difference between doing no wrong and doing wrong. I certainly don't believe hillary MariaThinks May 2016 #127

Sub sailor's photo case draws comparisons to Clinton emails w4rma May 2016 #165

Transparency was the key treestar May 2016 #86

It is my understanding that Clinton deleted more tha 30,000 e-mails, many of which w4rma May 2016 #102

An excellent point there, w4rma! Intent matters. Shemp Howard May 2016 #132

This post makes NO sense! Chasstev365 May 2016 #2

It makes perfect sense bravenak May 2016 #3

Thanks Bravenak rock May 2016 #14

Me neither these days, lol bravenak May 2016 #20

Consider the source melman May 2016 #134

Ouch, is what I might have said in 5th Grade! Chasstev365 May 2016 #138

Yes. It is amusing. hrmjustin May 2016 #4

I try not to laugh bravenak May 2016 #6

I think some of it is peer pressure. hrmjustin May 2016 #8

Me too. A bubble bravenak May 2016 #12

Nothing amusing about this at all....and Snowdon was a whistleblower... seekthetruth May 2016 #5

He STOLE bravenak May 2016 #7

Then join the GOP.... seekthetruth May 2016 #11

A reprimand is all her violations merit bravenak May 2016 #26

Like I said.... seekthetruth May 2016 #28

I am a democrat bravenak May 2016 #30

When BSS fails to counter a point they resort to their fave ad hom redstateblues May 2016 #67

It is just projection bravenak May 2016 #69

So tow the party line even when it's wrong? seekthetruth May 2016 #96

No. Don't burn down my own house is my thinking bravenak May 2016 #98

Theft is generally allowable in the case of whistleblowing... LP2K12 May 2016 #55

Not when they take it out of the country and do not follow procedure!!!! bravenak May 2016 #56

But wait... LP2K12 May 2016 #57

She did not RUN AWAY to China abd Russia and allow access to the data purposefully!! bravenak May 2016 #59

"We got the report and she has been properly chastised."... ljm2002 May 2016 #171

Thought you might enjoy this... LP2K12 May 2016 #189

He says he needs to be punished bravenak May 2016 #190

Yes... LP2K12 May 2016 #191

I'm afraid following procedure has proven too many times to result in retribution or prosecution. floriduck May 2016 #177

Of course it does bravenak May 2016 #179

Daniel Ellsberg stole as well. dflprincess May 2016 #143

Did he flee to China and Putin's Russia, too? bravenak May 2016 #144

Snowden's revelations did actual harm and damage to US operations..so say the experts. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #193

But what is wrong with breaking the law treestar May 2016 #88

LOLfuckingOL Here's a dollar, go buy a clue with it... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #10

sunlight vs. secrecy AtomicKitten May 2016 #21

.that^ 840high May 2016 #72

But that's LOGIC. It has no place inside the bubble of idolatry. dchill May 2016 #109

Dumbest shit ever posted here. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #13

!!! AtomicKitten May 2016 #53

'aye 840high May 2016 #73

non responsive treestar May 2016 #91

Is that the new talking point? bobbobbins01 May 2016 #140

So how the Secretary of State handles sensitive information... ljm2002 May 2016 #172

There has been a few occasions like this, one should be imprisoned when a crime isnt committed Thinkingabout May 2016 #15

It's all about anger bravenak May 2016 #23

Not about anger at all for me.... seekthetruth May 2016 #25

And I want our NSA workers to not steal info and take it to other nations bravenak May 2016 #29

I was reminded every year about espionage, he intentionally went to work in order to collect Thinkingabout May 2016 #77

And if he came back for trial, we'd see the same folks who are so law and order today bravenak May 2016 #78

She violated a lot more than just rules. Nt tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #83

So did he.nt bravenak May 2016 #85

Yeah he did...so what's your point? tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #101

He had security clearance. High standard applies to him as to her. bravenak May 2016 #103

He ran because the laws for protecting whistleblowers... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #106

Any excuse is good enough so long as it aint Hillary. Mm hmm bravenak May 2016 #107

I'm not defending Snowden...He did break the law and... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #117

She is already facing the music as we speak bravenak May 2016 #119

She broke laws... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #122

She did not run away like a criminal bravenak May 2016 #124

She's felt all along she will get out of it. tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #128

...private server thang... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #16

So you don't understand... LP2K12 May 2016 #17

Snowden isn't running for president.... seekthetruth May 2016 #18

The ones wailing for her indictment appear foolish bravenak May 2016 #22

Did you ever think the reprimand she received would ever happen either? seekthetruth May 2016 #24

Actually, there's no difference. TwilightZone May 2016 #35

That one is ridiculous treestar May 2016 #93

I do think if this is about FOIA and records-keeping laws, it is worth remembering Warren DeMontague May 2016 #19

Trash thread nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #27

Not only that, but perhaps if her emails were on the GOVERNMENT server, they might have... George II May 2016 #31

She might have PREVENTED proprietary info from getting into the hands of China or Russia bravenak May 2016 #34

okay, now I know that you have no intention of being honest about this. grasswire May 2016 #38

Those calling her a killer are the dishonest ones as are those who want her imprisoned bravenak May 2016 #42

you should break the law when it is the "right" thing to do treestar May 2016 #95

To hear tell... NO emails were ever written or received by Hillary that were born classified. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #112

Apples and screwdrivers.... alittlelark May 2016 #32

Now that you mention it... Sheepshank May 2016 #33

Funny how the GOP is also using the same info to call for her arrest bravenak May 2016 #36

you are hyperventilating grasswire May 2016 #37

I am breathing fine bravenak May 2016 #39

You guys need to stop playing lawyer. annavictorious May 2016 #51

Fuck all that, I'm still trying to figure out what the hell ML FUCKING K has to do with any of this! Number23 May 2016 #76

That's the new thing: just throw MLK and oligarchs in wherever the fancy strikes you. Squinch May 2016 #99

I think we're seeing the genesis of Tea Party 2.0 annavictorious May 2016 #40

It has an almost deist vibe to it bravenak May 2016 #44

You know what's not amusing? The fact that so few politicians, including HRC, have anything bjo59 May 2016 #45

He is very dismissive himself and derides my party as corrupt bravenak May 2016 #47

Not true...Im a Snowden aware..and his arrest laserhaas May 2016 #46

You think INTENT is all that matters? bravenak May 2016 #48

It's not about the emails KingFlorez May 2016 #49

Such a BOLD woman bravenak May 2016 #50

That's exactly it. brush May 2016 #114

What kind of mental contortions TransitJohn May 2016 #52

None bravenak May 2016 #54

your false analogy depends upon the exclusion of ethics TheSarcastinator May 2016 #58

So his professional responsibilities included using his security clearance to steal our data???? bravenak May 2016 #60

He was responsible to all of U.S. and she was irresponsible laserhaas May 2016 #111

He stole and fled the nation bravenak May 2016 #113

Yeah...thats bullchit..He reported on defraud of the nation laserhaas May 2016 #116

He is not Paul Revere! bravenak May 2016 #118

1st of all Paul Revere wasn% Paul Revere laserhaas May 2016 #120

And Snowden is a glorified data thief bravenak May 2016 #121

You mean like Homeland...NSA..etc laserhaas May 2016 #145

He did it for attention and so he could be feted by foreign powers bravenak May 2016 #146

Your just being snide..petty and hateful laserhaas May 2016 #148

You have no evidence that his intentions are good bravenak May 2016 #149

Correct...but the results were good..that he exposed it laserhaas May 2016 #155

He needs to face the music bravenak May 2016 #156

Says who? You mean like Manning? laserhaas May 2016 #158

Snowden is a hero bravenak. Sorry. Ash_F May 2016 #61

He's a Libertarian hero, no question there. ucrdem May 2016 #62

Watch this when you have some time. It's amazing Ash_F May 2016 #63

Thanks for this laserhaas May 2016 #159

He sure is bravenak May 2016 #68

Nope bravenak May 2016 #65

He's only a hero to those who disregard his revealing details of his own country's . . . brush May 2016 #115

So just to be clear on the analogy... Warren Stupidity May 2016 #64

I am showing you the double standard against Hillary bravenak May 2016 #66

well there you go, not one point addressed, what a shock. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #70

My pount is that he is defended for crimes that are way worse than hers because of fee fees bravenak May 2016 #71

and an excellent pount it is. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #74

Benefit to society is not anything to worry about bravenak May 2016 #75

Er no, if she committed any felonies it wasn't for "bad data protection" Warren Stupidity May 2016 #79

He did it for the attention and free trip around the world bravenak May 2016 #80

It is a major inconsistency treestar May 2016 #84

I would think they might go easy on her in hope she might go easy on him later bravenak May 2016 #87

Snowden exposes government and corporate arrogance and hypocrisy. kpola12 May 2016 #89

Nope. He stole our data. bravenak May 2016 #90

Lets just say I didn't miss your posts when you were on vacation. nt Logical May 2016 #92

I do not believe you bravenak May 2016 #94

You are right, but you forget the other inconsistency karynnj May 2016 #97

He did flee from prosecution rather than actually blowing the whistle nationally bravenak May 2016 #100

Bernie Logic. Lil Missy May 2016 #104

Soon we wont have any subject untouched bravenak May 2016 #110

I find you tend to generalize a lot and lump people together elias7 May 2016 #105

Find your own box to get into bravenak May 2016 #108

But you are so good at putting people in boxes, let me see so far we have seen insta8er May 2016 #129

Whatever bravenak May 2016 #130

You are welcome, thank you for the rebuttal it was quite uplifting. insta8er May 2016 #133

I don't get in to boxes elias7 May 2016 #173

I'm not angry. They are the one frothing with bitter rage against Hillary bravenak May 2016 #187

This one is simple... Skid Rogue May 2016 #123

Absolutely. Thank you. bravenak May 2016 #125

Excellent point! pandr32 May 2016 #126

Ha! bravenak May 2016 #131

I guess the pentagon papers were equivalent to SpareribSP May 2016 #135

Snowden knows what he leaked, and he knows why. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #136

Oh we should just trust the thief who stole the data to be doing the right thing? bravenak May 2016 #137

Well said. barrow-wight May 2016 #139

It's going to suck for you when the FBI and Intelligence Agency's reports come out Arazi May 2016 #141

Yeah yeah yeah bravenak May 2016 #142

Clinton's charity took in millions..from foreigners laserhaas May 2016 #147

LMFAO. nt. polly7 May 2016 #150

Yes yes yes great analysis underthematrix May 2016 #151

It really is silly the way people like him are built up bravenak May 2016 #153

IMO, this analysis... Skid Rogue May 2016 #152

Pretty much bravenak May 2016 #154

The Hillary supporters mostly were pro-prosecution for Snowden cpwm17 May 2016 #157

I know! I think about that too. betsuni May 2016 #160

It gives me the spins bravenak May 2016 #161

In the hypocritical world (and authoritarian world) cpwm17 May 2016 #166

We need a candidate who respects TRANSPARENCY... ContinentalOp May 2016 #162

Yeah, they're nothing if not hypocrites. Cha May 2016 #163

History is being made with or without them! bravenak May 2016 #164

I think you're missing their primary motivation: baldguy May 2016 #167

It's so fucinkg gross how Trump Trolls run around infiltrating our spaces bravenak May 2016 #180

So true workinclasszero May 2016 #168

Snowden's intent: Expose war crimes. Hillary's intent: Hide crimes and other wrongdoing. Scuba May 2016 #169

So you get to decide which ends justify the means? Sheepshank May 2016 #174

Equivalents? thesquanderer May 2016 #170

The VERY SAME PEOPLE bravenak May 2016 #183

But Snowden is a hero!!!! mcar May 2016 #175

Woman bad, man good bravenak May 2016 #185

Just so simple mcar May 2016 #188

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #192

Snowden was not trying to be my representative for the presidency of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!! highprincipleswork May 2016 #176

Same laws apply no matter who ya are bravenak May 2016 #181

Great comparison. I agree neither Snowden nor Clinton are qualified to be President. basselope May 2016 #178

I don't think that either of them should be arrested or incarcerated. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #182

I think I'm fine with neither being arrested but he can stay there bravenak May 2016 #184

We certainly disagree on her possible future address. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #186