2016 Postmortem

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Steve Kornacki Explains Why HRC Won't Get Enough Pledged Delegates to Get Nom Even After California [View all] amborin May 2016 OP

so we can make it seen grasswire May 2016 #1

yes, please make it go viral; this is not what the M$M, and especially MSNBC, wants anyone to see amborin May 2016 #4

Uh, the video is *from* MSNBC. Garrett78 May 2016 #57

yes, but they removed if from their website amborin Jun 2016 #120

People here, including myself, watched the video after you made that claim. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #122

RIP Sanders wallyworld2 May 2016 #53

you do know that "Wallyworld" is a FOX personality? nt grasswire May 2016 #67

No I did not know that wallyworld2 May 2016 #70

K&R nt silvershadow May 2016 #2

Thanks for this, amborin! I clicked on it and it played. This MSNBC vid is AMAZING! Peace Patriot May 2016 #3

yes, Peace Patriot, MSNBC took it down, amazing that Kornacki was permitted to run through the math amborin May 2016 #5

"War Admiral" - how ironic. CNN panel tonight couldn't wait to conflate Trump protesters with Bernie snowy owl May 2016 #6

Yes, I just watched it and it looks like a brokered convention will happen Samantha May 2016 #10

He also said Clinton and Sanders are close in CA and that will not put her over the top (eom) Samantha May 2016 #11

It will be over after California hack89 May 2016 #58

According to Kornachi, after the estimated pledged delegates are awarded, she needs to win 95% Samantha May 2016 #95

She does not need a certain number of pledged delegates to win... Demsrule86 May 2016 #109

I understand that a simple majority can work but I also understand the supers do not count until Samantha May 2016 #112

I don't think you understand how the process works HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #126

Ditto what Samantha says, and, additionally, Obama was not under FBI Investigation amborin May 2016 #118

It has to go to a second vote to be a brokered convention hack89 May 2016 #54

Exactly. There are only 2 candidates. 1 of them will reach 2383. Garrett78 May 2016 #56

I rec this post. malokvale77 May 2016 #27

thank you on both counts!!!!!!! amborin Jun 2016 #124

What a great commentary! bjo59 May 2016 #38

Remember Secretariat? okasha May 2016 #94

I just took a look at the film of the actual race between SheilaT May 2016 #106

It's exactly as Bernie said. Yet "some" here insist Hill has already won, BUT SHE HASN'T. senz May 2016 #7

I sent it to a facebook friend who has a huge following. grasswire May 2016 #8

Try to imagine Hillary being President and her running her administration the way she has run Samantha May 2016 #13

So what. She is going to win on the first ballot. So much ado about what? Jitter65 May 2016 #15

So why the panic? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17

Have you noticed... malokvale77 May 2016 #29

Finnessing finally a time line nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #30

I've been enjoying your local reports. malokvale77 May 2016 #33

Thanks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34

Oh dear... malokvale77 May 2016 #35

Tom and I intend to nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36

That press conference was extremely interesting! bjo59 May 2016 #39

Big Ol' K & R! AzDar May 2016 #9

Kick -- b/c the Hill folk need to see this! senz May 2016 #12

K&R nt Live and Learn May 2016 #14

I haven't seen many people expect her to hit the 2383 on pledged delegates alone. barrow-wight May 2016 #16

We shall see if your vote suppression efforts work out. Peace Patriot May 2016 #18

My vote suppression efforts? barrow-wight May 2016 #19

they're like little ads NJCher Jun 2016 #128

I wish they would. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #130

We have always known this fun n serious May 2016 #20

I'm posting this info right now in GD: Primaries, amborin. Peace Patriot May 2016 #21

Kornaki was repeating what Sanders said.. asuhornets May 2016 #22

and that means exactly...what? NorthCarolina May 2016 #23

Amazing. Did this get X-POSTED to the Group, I hope. appalachiablue May 2016 #24

please do amborin Jun 2016 #134

Go Bernie! Joob May 2016 #25

No, look again, Kornacki is only talking about pledged delegates. procon May 2016 #26

Kick! nt LiberalElite May 2016 #28

The threshold is 2384 total delegates, not 2384 pledged delegates alone. Lord Magus May 2016 #31

Common sense and objectivity doesn't go over well with some 'round these parts. randome May 2016 #73

What it means is 1884 pledged delegates for Hillary, vs 2344 pledged delegates for Bernie quaker bill May 2016 #83

K & R nt findrskeep May 2016 #32

k/r thanks 840high May 2016 #37

There must be an epidemic of people claiming Clinton will reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone. Garrett78 May 2016 #40

Clinton will win the nomination June 7 in California. baldguy May 2016 #41

Hillary cannot reach the required number of pledged delegates before the convention, B Calm May 2016 #42

Both pledged and superdelegates count equally toward the total needed. procon May 2016 #43

You are not making any sense what-so-ever! Supers don't even vote until the convention. B Calm May 2016 #44

And? procon May 2016 #45

You are wrong, I watched it and reported what he said here Samantha May 2016 #76

He's only talking about pledged delegates because that's what Sanders is trying to push. procon May 2016 #77

You are the one living in la-la land if you think you can count those SD votes before they are cast Samantha May 2016 #78

That's not even at issue, so why are you only looking at the pledged count, procon May 2016 #79

Take a look at the thread title and that will answer your question Samantha May 2016 #80

Um... that was your assertion, I simply questioned your erroneous conclusions. nt procon May 2016 #81

They're not pretending. okasha May 2016 #97

No delegates GulfCoast66 May 2016 #48

Everyone "pretends" the winner on election day has won the election onenote May 2016 #52

you do know they vote on the first ballot WhiteTara May 2016 #102

Supers commit Demsrule86 May 2016 #110

There is no "required" number of pledged delegates onenote May 2016 #51

Supers should not be bkkyosemite May 2016 #111

I don't disagree. onenote May 2016 #113

this is the truth, anything else is the big lie that camp HRC wants the public to swallow amborin May 2016 #92

All Hillary has to hit is 2,026, which is a guarantee that the supers will then vote for her Tarc May 2016 #46

Pretty much, and she'll far surpass 2026. Garrett78 May 2016 #47

Strawman: I don't know of anyone who has claimed that Clinton will have 2383 pledged delegates onenote May 2016 #49

Agreed. Garrett78 May 2016 #50

Clinton needs 78 delegates to clinch the nomination. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #55

1769 Pledged delegates and 540 Superdelegates = 2309 delegates Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #68

My bad. Thanks. I believe in math. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #69

Don't be silly - you might have seen a site with different figures Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #71

73. And the elected-super distinction is utterly irrelevant in this race. ucrdem May 2016 #85

A delegate is a delegate. There is no distinction between the too, I know. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #87

There is a distinction, though. Garrett78 May 2016 #88

Sanders will not win the majority of pledged delegates. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #90

Of course not. I've been saying that for months. Garrett78 May 2016 #91

Yawn leftynyc May 2016 #59

This video is extremely misleading. TeacherB87 May 2016 #60

Amborin says the MSM, especially MSNBC, doesn't want anyone to see that MSNBC video. Garrett78 May 2016 #61

It's really disheartening. TeacherB87 May 2016 #63

Remember that DU is not representative of the population at large. Garrett78 May 2016 #64

I know, but TeacherB87 May 2016 #65

That's interesting. I wasn't around back then. My theory: Garrett78 May 2016 #66

Also, progressives TeacherB87 May 2016 #75

That's certainly a factor, as well. Garrett78 May 2016 #82

I just listened to it Time for change May 2016 #62

How convenient Demsrule86 May 2016 #72

HERE'S WHAT STEVE SAID. senz May 2016 #74

Nobody disputes the idea that Clinton won't reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone. Garrett78 May 2016 #89

Exactly. And MSNBC took down the video because they knew it was misleading. eastwestdem May 2016 #93

Really Demsrule86 May 2016 #84

Hillary needs 73 more delegates to clinch. Bernie needs 841. ucrdem May 2016 #86

She needs 612 more pledged delegates (Kornacki's number) to make it to the magic number Samantha May 2016 #96

And Bernie would need nearly 1000. okasha May 2016 #98

He is 271 pledged delegates behind her right now Samantha May 2016 #99

So he would need that many plus ~600 more to get 2383 in pledged delegates alone. okasha May 2016 #100

Bernie was a Democratic Socialist for years and caucused with the Democratic Party Samantha May 2016 #103

It is perfectly possible to be a socialist and a Democrat at the same time. okasha May 2016 #105

No, he remains an honest broker and his campaign is doing well Samantha May 2016 #115

From what he said recently, he is shooting for a simple majority of pledged delegates over Hillary Samantha May 2016 #104

To get a majority of pledged delegates, he'll need about 75% of the California vote... brooklynite May 2016 #116

This is irrelevant as it was in 2008 underthematrix May 2016 #101

I saw it and the way Kornacki explains it, Bernie's got a real shot at the convention. ancianita May 2016 #107

You really don't understand the process Demsrule86 May 2016 #108

K & R lmbradford May 2016 #114

kornacki is an idiot....the nomination is based on pledge and supers...and hillary will have the beachbum bob May 2016 #117

Kickin' For The Dense And The Diehards... AzDar May 2016 #119

Kicking for the obtuse... AzDar Jun 2016 #121

Show me a post where someone claimed Clinton will reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #123

If Hillary gets just 50% of the remaining pleaded delegates she will go into the convention needing Jitter65 Jun 2016 #125

She'd need about 115. Regardless, she'll get there quickly. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #127

It doesn't matter. Superdelegates DO count - regardless of Bernie insisting they don't. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #129

#BernieScience. ucrdem Jun 2016 #131

And how ironic that he wants to steal unpledged delegates that voted for Hillary in order to win. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #132

lol...again with the alternative reality....the nomiation is based on super delegates too beachbum bob Jun 2016 #133