2016 Postmortem

merrily

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81. I have, from the start, believed the investigation was kabuki, but I hope I am mistaken.

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Mon May 23, 2016, 03:54 AM

May 2016

Thank you for your excellent work, Paul.

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Guess who initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails? John Kerry [View all] paulthompson May 2016 OP

Team of Rivals Skink May 2016 #1

PEOPLE: Please don't be drawn into disruption on this thread. grasswire May 2016 #74

Threads like this are a great opportunity to refine your ignore list. pdsimdars May 2016 #96

My ignore list went from a couple JesterCS May 2016 #237

I think I probably have around 300 pdsimdars May 2016 #241

Kerry has nothing to gain personally in this. GreatGazoo May 2016 #158

I doubt that Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #211

Keep wishing and hoping. brush May 2016 #2

The poster is an archivist, not a partisan catnhatnh May 2016 #13

Hah! If you think that you're not too astute. That post is nothing but a Clinton attack. brush May 2016 #19

Okay, catnhatnh May 2016 #25

This site's purpose is to help Dem candidates get elected, not to tear them down. brush May 2016 #32

That's why I'm trying to do paulthompson May 2016 #41

It's not going to happen but if it did we'd all be screwed as the repugs would win in a landslide brush May 2016 #146

I disagree. Clinton's problems are her own, not the entire party's. Qutzupalotl May 2016 #204

You make some good points. brush May 2016 #210

I'll point out your hypocrisy, but you'll ignore it or deflect. RichVRichV May 2016 #227

If you call it hypocrisy to point out that Sanders has baggage too, okay, but I'm . . . brush May 2016 #232

Hillary isn't the party and the party isn't Hillary. RichVRichV May 2016 #233

Sad! Naivete is not a good look. You actually don't think the party would be affected . . . brush May 2016 #234

Not if the indicted person isn't the candidate. RichVRichV May 2016 #235

Seems you still don't get it. brush May 2016 #236

History says you're wrong. RichVRichV May 2016 #238

Not a nominee for president before and election. You have to know there would be . . . brush May 2016 #239

What you're using is called conjecture. RichVRichV May 2016 #240

Trump doesn't stand a chance against Bernie Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #212

That is Not the purpose of DU or this forum fasttense May 2016 #102

Newsflash: It is to get Dems elected. brush May 2016 #135

You HAVE to be kidding. Are you actually saying neither candidates supporters aren't supposed to floriduck May 2016 #185

Read up on the original purpose of the site. brush May 2016 #187

Read what is actually happening and has been happening. floriduck May 2016 #188

Hey, that's great, but... frylock May 2016 #189

So truth has a Bernie bias? Fawke Em May 2016 #149

The poster paulthompson May 2016 #21

Are you saying John Kerry was the first to come up with this? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #230

It's a two-way street paulthompson May 2016 #18

Like I said, keep wishing and hoping. It's not going to happen. brush May 2016 #20

Obama isn't corrupt.....and neither are his appointees. virtualobserver May 2016 #73

I am a Sanders' supporter as well but I do not think this impacts his candidacy one way or another Samantha May 2016 #75

Exactly. Those that have come out to support Sen Sanders are wishing and hoping to end the culture rhett o rick May 2016 #22

Come on. Stop with the sour grapes. Sanders has lost. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it. brush May 2016 #35

The hubris and arrogance of the Corporate Wing of our Party and their minions will be rhett o rick May 2016 #160

He hasn't lost? Math must not be your strong point. brush May 2016 #166

You have always spoken up for what is right and what is good senz May 2016 #63

+1 Wonderful post, senz! merrily May 2016 #80

And you also have spoken up for those that struggle in the middle and working classes. rhett o rick May 2016 #157

Let's See What Happens! I Do Not Believe Comey Will Risk His As Well As The FBI's Reputation By CorporatistNation May 2016 #3

There would be pure wrath 840high May 2016 #50

That's your key. Fawke Em May 2016 #151

A grand jury indicts, rusty fender May 2016 #57

Someone else said that if the FBI doesn't indict then they will have to explain how it is legal pdsimdars May 2016 #98

right, Comey would be opening himself to a veritable hornet's nest of irate judges MisterP May 2016 #192

Comey is establishment, nuff said. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #162

it's Benghazi which has turned into a right wing witch hunt, the email thing does need to be JI7 May 2016 #4

How right wing is it when we state facts that come out of it? JudyM May 2016 #216

That's interesting, and it makes complete sense 2banon May 2016 #5

Thanks. Keeping my own time line nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #6

oh by the way... 2banon May 2016 #7

Misunderstanding paulthompson May 2016 #23

Gotcha, I hadn't seen the date that statement was made when it was posted here a day or two ago 2banon May 2016 #49

I believe this is why so many of the establishment Democrats and corporate media conglomerates have Uncle Joe May 2016 #45

ahh. slip sliding Biden in as replacement. 2banon May 2016 #48

Maybe Boxer? Uncle Joe May 2016 #52

I was thinking Boxer last Saturday, after that disgusting display in Nevada. 2banon May 2016 #55

Barbara is 75 Pastiche423 May 2016 #213

I realize she's retiring, that was my point. Why the hell was she in Nevada? 2banon May 2016 #214

^^^this^^^ cliffordu May 2016 #77

Yes saw that. 840high May 2016 #51

Isn't it super cool cheapdate May 2016 #8

So saith a member of the "Hillary at any cost" team. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #38

Nope. Democrat. cheapdate May 2016 #44

You are both a Democrat AND a Hillary supporter JimDandy May 2016 #67

Wrong. I have stated countless times cheapdate May 2016 #115

This thing has more layers than a matryoshka doll Fumesucker May 2016 #9

Cool! Why should Kerry take the fall for Clinton Machine sleaze and corruption? NewImproved Deal May 2016 #10

Good for him Baobab May 2016 #11

Great research! amborin May 2016 #12

Everyone knows he's a DINO. silvershadow May 2016 #14

Remember when Kerry was engaged in early negotiations wrt Iran's Nuclear capabilities, sanctions 2banon May 2016 #15

oboy grasswire May 2016 #30

I don't remember that. Is there documentation? Scootaloo May 2016 #78

In the early to mid stages of the Iran Negotiations under Kerry, there were reports of leaks 2banon May 2016 #131

At one point, once Netanyahu was being kept informed, he was leaking selective and misleading karynnj May 2016 #175

I'd wager a month's SS that Bebe & Sid were involved 2banon May 2016 #205

I wouldn't go there karynnj May 2016 #206

Good points. 2banon May 2016 #207

Reported in WP June 10, 2015 seafan May 2016 #168

Oh, that's right.. malware, Stuxnet clone. 2banon May 2016 #208

Thanks, Paul. K&R. nt antigop May 2016 #16

John Kerry, that RWNJ trying to manufacture another scandal against Hillary riderinthestorm May 2016 #17

you had me for a sec.. :) 2banon May 2016 #53

Kerry was doing his job. The people demanding all the waste on the Benghazi hearings, however... moriah May 2016 #24

you are right. grasswire May 2016 #29

Any public official deserves scrutiny, absolutely, when an ethical question comes up. moriah May 2016 #39

John Kerry was high on the Clinton Hit List. senz May 2016 #26

I believe it was someone named "John Podesta" who, in 2004... dchill May 2016 #33

Ah, that's right! I remember reading about it. She wanted him out of the way senz May 2016 #42

I think that the Clintons' forte is end runs. dchill May 2016 #46

Actually senz May 2016 #59

Totally agree. dchill May 2016 #64

you have been a warrior for truth, senz grasswire May 2016 #66

It all gets to me as well. mmonk May 2016 #101

peeling the layers of the onion grasswire May 2016 #65

Gas masks may be in order. dchill May 2016 #68

I know people who are making sure to hunker down... grasswire May 2016 #72

Starting to look like the only "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" Scootaloo May 2016 #79

Or, as Guccifer said, "open like an orchid on the Internet." Fawke Em May 2016 #155

I am positive it gave him no satisfaction karynnj May 2016 #109

Issa started it in 2012. Kerry did not. The OP is flat out wrong. NT seabeyond May 2016 #110

Kerry went to the IG recommending the State IG investigate karynnj May 2016 #111

Yes, "initiated the investigation" means first to start it, and 2012 is not parallel to 2015. ucrdem May 2016 #114

There are investigationS - the S is important to understanding what was said karynnj May 2016 #118

OP is flatly wrong and the rest is a screwy "timeline" that make no sense chronologically ucrdem May 2016 #121

If emailgate began in 2012, it was dormant until March 2015 karynnj May 2016 #171

Oh please. I leave you to your new lord of the flies. nt ucrdem May 2016 #179

We see that the Op gave false information and instead of owning it, you are trying to make it work? seabeyond May 2016 #116

A right wing smear -- you mean that Hillary Clinton did not have a private server and did not karynnj May 2016 #127

The investigation started with a Republican on a GOP committee. Blaming Kerry is grotesque. nt ucrdem May 2016 #129

I am not blaming Kerry, I am blaming HRC. Kerry did nothing wrong here nt karynnj May 2016 #173

Fine. Own it. nt ucrdem May 2016 #181

Rather HRC should own it --- she caused this problem! karynnj May 2016 #184

And again, it started as RW conspiracy, the same with Bengahzi. I won't pretend otherwise. Why are seabeyond May 2016 #132

The email issue started when the NYT, not a right wing publication, wrote its article karynnj May 2016 #139

Issa launched the investigation in 2012. The NYT is completely irrevelevant. ucrdem May 2016 #140

Please link to any hearings and articles in 2013 and 2014 concerning this karynnj May 2016 #156

Red herring. The point is clear: Issa, not Kerry, started the email witchhunt in 2012, not 2015. nt ucrdem May 2016 #174

The red herring is that you call this a witch hunt and try to argue that it logically started with karynnj May 2016 #177

And to pretend this is all Clinton when she merely followed footsteps is equally bullshit. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #141

No other SoS did all her email on a private account and none had a private server karynnj May 2016 #147

Private acct of an X President. Sorry, just not something for me to get all excited about. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #148

What of FOIA and Congressional oversight? karynnj May 2016 #153

What of it? Sanders, Powell, Rice, Albright and most all others, says Meh. That tells me something. seabeyond May 2016 #154

In other words... Fawke Em May 2016 #159

No. I have been informed and the conclusion I have come to is there is nothing at this point, so I seabeyond May 2016 #161

I do not think that Clinton will be indicted karynnj May 2016 #164

Reality, She did the same as Albright, Rice and Powell. Now that has been brought up, and none of seabeyond May 2016 #169

An ex-President's email is not subject to FOIA and Congressional inquiries - SD .gov is karynnj May 2016 #172

The time she walked in, different rules and different time. For you all to be so outraged over this seabeyond May 2016 #176

No one getting her email knew that she was not archiving it and I assume most did not think twice karynnj May 2016 #183

Meh. polly7 May 2016 #182

I thought it was Carville who convinced Kerry not to seek a recount in Ohio democrattotheend May 2016 #219

Possibly, they double-teamed him. dchill May 2016 #220

Such a really fantastic resource you created! bjo59 May 2016 #27

Holy moly, Paul. grasswire May 2016 #28

Wow. I think you just blew the lid of off of something there! Great work! liberal_at_heart May 2016 #31

Impressive body of work, thanks for posting it. K&R Hiraeth May 2016 #34

...and Comey investigated the Clintons for Whitewater, yet Obama appointed him anyway. yodermon May 2016 #36

If I remember correctly, Kerry was supposed to be PBO's original SoS RufusTFirefly May 2016 #37

I thought so too Ned_Devine May 2016 #228

Notice also how Sanders has moved away from using the email server a campaign issue. gordianot May 2016 #40

Sanders' strategy paulthompson May 2016 #43

remember his meeting with Obama? grasswire May 2016 #69

I'm pretty sure the "damn emails" was early on, in the 1st or 2nd debate... Peace Patriot May 2016 #82

thanks for that research. :-) nt grasswire May 2016 #83

Very good work paulthompson. That is some reveal that the investigation PufPuf23 May 2016 #47

Wait wait Glamrock May 2016 #54

Now if I still lived under the Bernie mentality Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #56

Exactly Glamrock May 2016 #58

Riveting read, Paul - thank you for doing this. agracie May 2016 #60

So much care and work, paul. senz May 2016 #61

Excellent Work Paul Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #62

Yes, her deliberately lying about HER ROLE AS THE CLASSIFIER OF DOCUMENTS... Peace Patriot May 2016 #85

If one goes back and looks at that interchange with reporters Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #89

kick, Thanks Paul, excellent work! bbgrunt May 2016 #70

Anyone got a direct line to Thom Hartman or Mike Malloy? grasswire May 2016 #71

Mike Malloy interviewed Paul Thompson, here: KoKo May 2016 #199

Vast Right Wing Kerryspiracy Attorney in Texas May 2016 #76

I have, from the start, believed the investigation was kabuki, but I hope I am mistaken. merrily May 2016 #81

This is what I think about that. grasswire May 2016 #84

The new word might be "probe", Lars39 May 2016 #86

I don't have insomnia. grasswire May 2016 #87

Heh, I totally understand. :-) Lars39 May 2016 #113

Kerry doesn't 'do' limited hangout. He's a pro and an honest broker. blm May 2016 #198

I think it's still a toss-up. Peace Patriot May 2016 #88

Very interesting points.... KoKo May 2016 #150

How would you like to be a defender of Aerows May 2016 #165

Yeah... would have been much better to let whistler162 May 2016 #90

Oh heck no. This thing started long before last July. It started when they nuked her Blackberry. ucrdem May 2016 #91

You should have let them go a little longer before hitting them with this... stevenleser May 2016 #92

How could they even think it? ucrdem May 2016 #94

Yes you are so right. lmbradford May 2016 #223

nice summary, and good reminder, but it should be said that this was all prominently reported MBS May 2016 #93

You do such good work, and anyone with integrity will appreciate it. pdsimdars May 2016 #95

Absolutely false. The investigation was initiated in 2012 by Darrel Issa. Link to DU debunk: ucrdem May 2016 #97

Thanks for the real information in truth form. Damn, isn't it always the way, the falsehoods all seabeyond May 2016 #103

There are several investigations, this speaks to the SD IG opening one. karynnj May 2016 #112

"initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails?" Then that is what the Op should have said seabeyond May 2016 #117

He corrected that in his second sentence - where it is clear he is speaking of one specific karynnj May 2016 #120

So, you all are good with a blatantly false headline? I am not. seabeyond May 2016 #122

I wish the title were different - but wonder if it was because of character limitations karynnj May 2016 #134

There is simply no justification for misleading headlines and the Op has been made aware seabeyond May 2016 #136

Look, this OP is as unsavory as it gets. I have no idea why you're defending it. ucrdem May 2016 #137

It has absolutely nothing to do with Sanders - who main comment on it is that he is tired of hearing karynnj May 2016 #142

Okay I didn't know you lived in Burlington. But that's no excuse for throwing Kerry under the bus. ucrdem May 2016 #145

No one is throwing Kerry under the bus karynnj May 2016 #152

nobody is throwing Kerry under the bus grasswire May 2016 #190

But that's not when the FBI started investigating it. Fawke Em May 2016 #163

Facts are wasted here. Anything which doesn't cover Hillary is brushed off vintx May 2016 #167

That was Benghazi lmbradford May 2016 #224

So, it wasn't Kerry right? It was Issa, correct? You are going to correct you OP right? seabeyond May 2016 #99

What the heck are you talking about?! paulthompson May 2016 #123

"Guess who initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails? John Kerry." Wrong. As what you post seabeyond May 2016 #124

He doesn't mention Issa once in his entire OP. I just searched. ucrdem May 2016 #126

Yes, it is obvious what the Op is doing. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #133

What is the OP doing, exactly? nt. polly7 May 2016 #202

It started in 2012 with Issa. Your title is a falsehood. Kerry had nothing to do with initiating ucrdem May 2016 #125

Thank you! nt. polly7 May 2016 #130

Kabuki theater MelungeonWoman May 2016 #100

Geez, that all their hope for a win now lies on Clinton being indicted. What does it say, about the seabeyond May 2016 #104

Show me how Bernie is responsible? lmbradford May 2016 #225

Show me where I wrote that Bernie was responsible. MelungeonWoman May 2016 #231

I will check back to make sure you made corrections owning your error. False information matters. seabeyond May 2016 #105

Thanks sea! ucrdem May 2016 #106

Thank you for the information. It is the constant fabrications that piss me off. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #107

It is mystifying. Disappointment is one thing but this? ucrdem May 2016 #108

You, of all people, hectoring Paul Thompson? grasswire May 2016 #191

False information matters. frylock May 2016 #193

It looks hopeless! How will Hill escape... tune in for the next exciting episode!! yourpaljoey May 2016 #119

I used to wonder why she set herself up for such drama. grasswire May 2016 #180

The plot thickens: we have a motive! yourpaljoey May 2016 #186

she knew it'd be controversial: she also knew that if she were the only candidate not a single thing MisterP May 2016 #195

thank you, Bernie nt grasswire May 2016 #196

y'know what the Central American kids and Berta Caceres'd be if it weren't for Sanders? MisterP May 2016 #197

Kickin' for reference Faux pas May 2016 #128

Kick and recommend. This is fascinating reading. nt. polly7 May 2016 #138

You should take the post down Demsrule86 May 2016 #143

K&R#115 n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #144

kick nt antigop May 2016 #170

Wow! Thanks for this well researched and written post!! Else You Are Mad May 2016 #178

Lots of yelping dogs in this thread. frylock May 2016 #194

yep. You always know when Paul hits the nail on the head. nt antigop May 2016 #200

Great work. So much new information coming to light about this email fiasco... /nt think May 2016 #201

K&R Excellent work felix_numinous May 2016 #203

To investigate was reasonable and necessary. Kablooie May 2016 #209

Yes, save the country from further damage and do the right thing. . . .let us hear your findings FBI pdsimdars May 2016 #217

Oh sure lmbradford May 2016 #226

Truth and justice? What's that? Kablooie May 2016 #229

K & R! TIME TO PANIC May 2016 #215

Great post paulthompson! sorechasm May 2016 #218

Recommend...Thanks Paul Thompson.. KoKo May 2016 #221

K&R azmom May 2016 #222

Comey is going to be tough on this. He's a Republican. EndElectoral May 2016 #242