I have, from the start, believed the investigation was kabuki, but I hope I am mistaken. (Reply #81)

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merrily (45,251 posts)

81. I have, from the start, believed the investigation was kabuki, but I hope I am mistaken.

Thank you for your excellent work, Paul.

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Guess who initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails? John Kerry [View all]	paulthompson	May 2016	OP
Team of Rivals	Skink	May 2016	#1
PEOPLE: Please don't be drawn into disruption on this thread.	grasswire	May 2016	#74
Threads like this are a great opportunity to refine your ignore list.	pdsimdars	May 2016	#96
My ignore list went from a couple	JesterCS	May 2016	#237
I think I probably have around 300	pdsimdars	May 2016	#241
Kerry has nothing to gain personally in this.	GreatGazoo	May 2016	#158
I doubt that	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2016	#211
Keep wishing and hoping.	brush	May 2016	#2
The poster is an archivist, not a partisan	catnhatnh	May 2016	#13
Hah! If you think that you're not too astute. That post is nothing but a Clinton attack.	brush	May 2016	#19
Okay,	catnhatnh	May 2016	#25
This site's purpose is to help Dem candidates get elected, not to tear them down.	brush	May 2016	#32
That's why I'm trying to do	paulthompson	May 2016	#41
It's not going to happen but if it did we'd all be screwed as the repugs would win in a landslide	brush	May 2016	#146
I disagree. Clinton's problems are her own, not the entire party's.	Qutzupalotl	May 2016	#204
You make some good points.	brush	May 2016	#210
I'll point out your hypocrisy, but you'll ignore it or deflect.	RichVRichV	May 2016	#227
If you call it hypocrisy to point out that Sanders has baggage too, okay, but I'm . . .	brush	May 2016	#232
Hillary isn't the party and the party isn't Hillary.	RichVRichV	May 2016	#233
Sad! Naivete is not a good look. You actually don't think the party would be affected . . .	brush	May 2016	#234
Not if the indicted person isn't the candidate.	RichVRichV	May 2016	#235
Seems you still don't get it.	brush	May 2016	#236
History says you're wrong.	RichVRichV	May 2016	#238
Not a nominee for president before and election. You have to know there would be . . .	brush	May 2016	#239
What you're using is called conjecture.	RichVRichV	May 2016	#240
Trump doesn't stand a chance against Bernie	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2016	#212
That is Not the purpose of DU or this forum	fasttense	May 2016	#102
Newsflash: It is to get Dems elected.	brush	May 2016	#135
You HAVE to be kidding. Are you actually saying neither candidates supporters aren't supposed to	floriduck	May 2016	#185
Read up on the original purpose of the site.	brush	May 2016	#187
Read what is actually happening and has been happening.	floriduck	May 2016	#188
Hey, that's great, but...	frylock	May 2016	#189
So truth has a Bernie bias?	Fawke Em	May 2016	#149
The poster	paulthompson	May 2016	#21
Are you saying John Kerry was the first to come up with this?	creeksneakers2	May 2016	#230
It's a two-way street	paulthompson	May 2016	#18
Like I said, keep wishing and hoping. It's not going to happen.	brush	May 2016	#20
Obama isn't corrupt.....and neither are his appointees.	virtualobserver	May 2016	#73
I am a Sanders' supporter as well but I do not think this impacts his candidacy one way or another	Samantha	May 2016	#75
Exactly. Those that have come out to support Sen Sanders are wishing and hoping to end the culture	rhett o rick	May 2016	#22
Come on. Stop with the sour grapes. Sanders has lost. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.	brush	May 2016	#35
The hubris and arrogance of the Corporate Wing of our Party and their minions will be	rhett o rick	May 2016	#160
He hasn't lost? Math must not be your strong point.	brush	May 2016	#166
You have always spoken up for what is right and what is good	senz	May 2016	#63
+1 Wonderful post, senz!	merrily	May 2016	#80
And you also have spoken up for those that struggle in the middle and working classes.	rhett o rick	May 2016	#157
Let's See What Happens! I Do Not Believe Comey Will Risk His As Well As The FBI's Reputation By	CorporatistNation	May 2016	#3
There would be pure wrath	840high	May 2016	#50
That's your key.	Fawke Em	May 2016	#151
A grand jury indicts,	rusty fender	May 2016	#57
Someone else said that if the FBI doesn't indict then they will have to explain how it is legal	pdsimdars	May 2016	#98
right, Comey would be opening himself to a veritable hornet's nest of irate judges	MisterP	May 2016	#192
Comey is establishment, nuff said. nm	rhett o rick	May 2016	#162
it's Benghazi which has turned into a right wing witch hunt, the email thing does need to be	JI7	May 2016	#4
How right wing is it when we state facts that come out of it?	JudyM	May 2016	#216
That's interesting, and it makes complete sense	2banon	May 2016	#5
Thanks. Keeping my own time line	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#6
oh by the way...	2banon	May 2016	#7
Misunderstanding	paulthompson	May 2016	#23
Gotcha, I hadn't seen the date that statement was made when it was posted here a day or two ago	2banon	May 2016	#49
I believe this is why so many of the establishment Democrats and corporate media conglomerates have	Uncle Joe	May 2016	#45
ahh. slip sliding Biden in as replacement.	2banon	May 2016	#48
Maybe Boxer?	Uncle Joe	May 2016	#52
I was thinking Boxer last Saturday, after that disgusting display in Nevada.	2banon	May 2016	#55
Barbara is 75	Pastiche423	May 2016	#213
I realize she's retiring, that was my point. Why the hell was she in Nevada?	2banon	May 2016	#214
^^^this^^^	cliffordu	May 2016	#77
Yes saw that.	840high	May 2016	#51
Isn't it super cool	cheapdate	May 2016	#8
So saith a member of the "Hillary at any cost" team. n/t	JimDandy	May 2016	#38
Nope. Democrat.	cheapdate	May 2016	#44
You are both a Democrat AND a Hillary supporter	JimDandy	May 2016	#67
Wrong. I have stated countless times	cheapdate	May 2016	#115
This thing has more layers than a matryoshka doll	Fumesucker	May 2016	#9
Cool! Why should Kerry take the fall for Clinton Machine sleaze and corruption?	NewImproved Deal	May 2016	#10
Good for him	Baobab	May 2016	#11
Great research!	amborin	May 2016	#12
Everyone knows he's a DINO.	silvershadow	May 2016	#14
Remember when Kerry was engaged in early negotiations wrt Iran's Nuclear capabilities, sanctions	2banon	May 2016	#15
oboy	grasswire	May 2016	#30
I don't remember that. Is there documentation?	Scootaloo	May 2016	#78
In the early to mid stages of the Iran Negotiations under Kerry, there were reports of leaks	2banon	May 2016	#131
At one point, once Netanyahu was being kept informed, he was leaking selective and misleading	karynnj	May 2016	#175
I'd wager a month's SS that Bebe & Sid were involved	2banon	May 2016	#205
I wouldn't go there	karynnj	May 2016	#206
Good points.	2banon	May 2016	#207
Reported in WP June 10, 2015	seafan	May 2016	#168
Oh, that's right.. malware, Stuxnet clone.	2banon	May 2016	#208
Thanks, Paul. K&R. nt	antigop	May 2016	#16
John Kerry, that RWNJ trying to manufacture another scandal against Hillary	riderinthestorm	May 2016	#17
you had me for a sec.. :)	2banon	May 2016	#53
Kerry was doing his job. The people demanding all the waste on the Benghazi hearings, however...	moriah	May 2016	#24
you are right.	grasswire	May 2016	#29
Any public official deserves scrutiny, absolutely, when an ethical question comes up.	moriah	May 2016	#39
John Kerry was high on the Clinton Hit List.	senz	May 2016	#26
I believe it was someone named "John Podesta" who, in 2004...	dchill	May 2016	#33
Ah, that's right! I remember reading about it. She wanted him out of the way	senz	May 2016	#42
I think that the Clintons' forte is end runs.	dchill	May 2016	#46
Actually	senz	May 2016	#59
Totally agree.	dchill	May 2016	#64
you have been a warrior for truth, senz	grasswire	May 2016	#66
It all gets to me as well.	mmonk	May 2016	#101
peeling the layers of the onion	grasswire	May 2016	#65
Gas masks may be in order.	dchill	May 2016	#68
I know people who are making sure to hunker down...	grasswire	May 2016	#72
Starting to look like the only "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"	Scootaloo	May 2016	#79
Or, as Guccifer said, "open like an orchid on the Internet."	Fawke Em	May 2016	#155
I am positive it gave him no satisfaction	karynnj	May 2016	#109
Issa started it in 2012. Kerry did not. The OP is flat out wrong. NT	seabeyond	May 2016	#110
Kerry went to the IG recommending the State IG investigate	karynnj	May 2016	#111
Yes, "initiated the investigation" means first to start it, and 2012 is not parallel to 2015.	ucrdem	May 2016	#114
There are investigationS - the S is important to understanding what was said	karynnj	May 2016	#118
OP is flatly wrong and the rest is a screwy "timeline" that make no sense chronologically	ucrdem	May 2016	#121
If emailgate began in 2012, it was dormant until March 2015	karynnj	May 2016	#171
Oh please. I leave you to your new lord of the flies. nt	ucrdem	May 2016	#179
We see that the Op gave false information and instead of owning it, you are trying to make it work?	seabeyond	May 2016	#116
A right wing smear -- you mean that Hillary Clinton did not have a private server and did not	karynnj	May 2016	#127
The investigation started with a Republican on a GOP committee. Blaming Kerry is grotesque. nt	ucrdem	May 2016	#129
I am not blaming Kerry, I am blaming HRC. Kerry did nothing wrong here nt	karynnj	May 2016	#173
Fine. Own it. nt	ucrdem	May 2016	#181
Rather HRC should own it --- she caused this problem!	karynnj	May 2016	#184
And again, it started as RW conspiracy, the same with Bengahzi. I won't pretend otherwise. Why are	seabeyond	May 2016	#132
The email issue started when the NYT, not a right wing publication, wrote its article	karynnj	May 2016	#139
Issa launched the investigation in 2012. The NYT is completely irrevelevant.	ucrdem	May 2016	#140
Please link to any hearings and articles in 2013 and 2014 concerning this	karynnj	May 2016	#156
Red herring. The point is clear: Issa, not Kerry, started the email witchhunt in 2012, not 2015. nt	ucrdem	May 2016	#174
The red herring is that you call this a witch hunt and try to argue that it logically started with	karynnj	May 2016	#177
And to pretend this is all Clinton when she merely followed footsteps is equally bullshit. Nt	seabeyond	May 2016	#141
No other SoS did all her email on a private account and none had a private server	karynnj	May 2016	#147
Private acct of an X President. Sorry, just not something for me to get all excited about. Nt	seabeyond	May 2016	#148
What of FOIA and Congressional oversight?	karynnj	May 2016	#153
What of it? Sanders, Powell, Rice, Albright and most all others, says Meh. That tells me something.	seabeyond	May 2016	#154
In other words...	Fawke Em	May 2016	#159
No. I have been informed and the conclusion I have come to is there is nothing at this point, so I	seabeyond	May 2016	#161
I do not think that Clinton will be indicted	karynnj	May 2016	#164
Reality, She did the same as Albright, Rice and Powell. Now that has been brought up, and none of	seabeyond	May 2016	#169
An ex-President's email is not subject to FOIA and Congressional inquiries - SD .gov is	karynnj	May 2016	#172
The time she walked in, different rules and different time. For you all to be so outraged over this	seabeyond	May 2016	#176
No one getting her email knew that she was not archiving it and I assume most did not think twice	karynnj	May 2016	#183
Meh.	polly7	May 2016	#182
I thought it was Carville who convinced Kerry not to seek a recount in Ohio	democrattotheend	May 2016	#219
Possibly, they double-teamed him.	dchill	May 2016	#220
Such a really fantastic resource you created!	bjo59	May 2016	#27
Holy moly, Paul.	grasswire	May 2016	#28
Wow. I think you just blew the lid of off of something there! Great work!	liberal_at_heart	May 2016	#31
Impressive body of work, thanks for posting it. K&R	Hiraeth	May 2016	#34
...and Comey investigated the Clintons for Whitewater, yet Obama appointed him anyway.	yodermon	May 2016	#36
If I remember correctly, Kerry was supposed to be PBO's original SoS	RufusTFirefly	May 2016	#37
I thought so too	Ned_Devine	May 2016	#228
Notice also how Sanders has moved away from using the email server a campaign issue.	gordianot	May 2016	#40
Sanders' strategy	paulthompson	May 2016	#43
remember his meeting with Obama?	grasswire	May 2016	#69
I'm pretty sure the "damn emails" was early on, in the 1st or 2nd debate...	Peace Patriot	May 2016	#82
thanks for that research. :-) nt	grasswire	May 2016	#83
Very good work paulthompson. That is some reveal that the investigation	PufPuf23	May 2016	#47
Wait wait	Glamrock	May 2016	#54
Now if I still lived under the Bernie mentality	Tavarious Jackson	May 2016	#56
Exactly	Glamrock	May 2016	#58
Riveting read, Paul - thank you for doing this.	agracie	May 2016	#60
So much care and work, paul.	senz	May 2016	#61
Excellent Work Paul	Ichingcarpenter	May 2016	#62
Yes, her deliberately lying about HER ROLE AS THE CLASSIFIER OF DOCUMENTS...	Peace Patriot	May 2016	#85
If one goes back and looks at that interchange with reporters	Ichingcarpenter	May 2016	#89
kick, Thanks Paul, excellent work!	bbgrunt	May 2016	#70
Anyone got a direct line to Thom Hartman or Mike Malloy?	grasswire	May 2016	#71
Mike Malloy interviewed Paul Thompson, here:	KoKo	May 2016	#199
Vast Right Wing Kerryspiracy	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#76
I have, from the start, believed the investigation was kabuki, but I hope I am mistaken.	merrily	May 2016	#81
This is what I think about that.	grasswire	May 2016	#84
The new word might be "probe",	Lars39	May 2016	#86
I don't have insomnia.	grasswire	May 2016	#87
Heh, I totally understand. :-)	Lars39	May 2016	#113
Kerry doesn't 'do' limited hangout. He's a pro and an honest broker.	blm	May 2016	#198
I think it's still a toss-up.	Peace Patriot	May 2016	#88
Very interesting points....	KoKo	May 2016	#150
How would you like to be a defender of	Aerows	May 2016	#165
Yeah... would have been much better to let	whistler162	May 2016	#90
Oh heck no. This thing started long before last July. It started when they nuked her Blackberry.	ucrdem	May 2016	#91
You should have let them go a little longer before hitting them with this...	stevenleser	May 2016	#92
How could they even think it?	ucrdem	May 2016	#94
Yes you are so right.	lmbradford	May 2016	#223
nice summary, and good reminder, but it should be said that this was all prominently reported	MBS	May 2016	#93
You do such good work, and anyone with integrity will appreciate it.	pdsimdars	May 2016	#95
Absolutely false. The investigation was initiated in 2012 by Darrel Issa. Link to DU debunk:	ucrdem	May 2016	#97
Thanks for the real information in truth form. Damn, isn't it always the way, the falsehoods all	seabeyond	May 2016	#103
There are several investigations, this speaks to the SD IG opening one.	karynnj	May 2016	#112
"initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails?" Then that is what the Op should have said	seabeyond	May 2016	#117
He corrected that in his second sentence - where it is clear he is speaking of one specific	karynnj	May 2016	#120
So, you all are good with a blatantly false headline? I am not.	seabeyond	May 2016	#122
I wish the title were different - but wonder if it was because of character limitations	karynnj	May 2016	#134
There is simply no justification for misleading headlines and the Op has been made aware	seabeyond	May 2016	#136
Look, this OP is as unsavory as it gets. I have no idea why you're defending it.	ucrdem	May 2016	#137
It has absolutely nothing to do with Sanders - who main comment on it is that he is tired of hearing	karynnj	May 2016	#142
Okay I didn't know you lived in Burlington. But that's no excuse for throwing Kerry under the bus.	ucrdem	May 2016	#145
No one is throwing Kerry under the bus	karynnj	May 2016	#152
nobody is throwing Kerry under the bus	grasswire	May 2016	#190
But that's not when the FBI started investigating it.	Fawke Em	May 2016	#163
Facts are wasted here. Anything which doesn't cover Hillary is brushed off	vintx	May 2016	#167
That was Benghazi	lmbradford	May 2016	#224
So, it wasn't Kerry right? It was Issa, correct? You are going to correct you OP right?	seabeyond	May 2016	#99
What the heck are you talking about?!	paulthompson	May 2016	#123
"Guess who initiated the investigation into Clinton's emails? John Kerry." Wrong. As what you post	seabeyond	May 2016	#124
He doesn't mention Issa once in his entire OP. I just searched.	ucrdem	May 2016	#126
Yes, it is obvious what the Op is doing. Nt	seabeyond	May 2016	#133
What is the OP doing, exactly? nt.	polly7	May 2016	#202
It started in 2012 with Issa. Your title is a falsehood. Kerry had nothing to do with initiating	ucrdem	May 2016	#125
Thank you! nt.	polly7	May 2016	#130
Kabuki theater	MelungeonWoman	May 2016	#100
Geez, that all their hope for a win now lies on Clinton being indicted. What does it say, about the	seabeyond	May 2016	#104
Show me how Bernie is responsible?	lmbradford	May 2016	#225
Show me where I wrote that Bernie was responsible.	MelungeonWoman	May 2016	#231
I will check back to make sure you made corrections owning your error. False information matters.	seabeyond	May 2016	#105
Thanks sea!	ucrdem	May 2016	#106
Thank you for the information. It is the constant fabrications that piss me off. Nt	seabeyond	May 2016	#107
It is mystifying. Disappointment is one thing but this?	ucrdem	May 2016	#108
You, of all people, hectoring Paul Thompson?	grasswire	May 2016	#191
False information matters.	frylock	May 2016	#193
It looks hopeless! How will Hill escape... tune in for the next exciting episode!!	yourpaljoey	May 2016	#119
I used to wonder why she set herself up for such drama.	grasswire	May 2016	#180
The plot thickens: we have a motive!	yourpaljoey	May 2016	#186
she knew it'd be controversial: she also knew that if she were the only candidate not a single thing	MisterP	May 2016	#195
thank you, Bernie nt	grasswire	May 2016	#196
y'know what the Central American kids and Berta Caceres'd be if it weren't for Sanders?	MisterP	May 2016	#197
Kickin' for reference	Faux pas	May 2016	#128
Kick and recommend. This is fascinating reading. nt.	polly7	May 2016	#138
You should take the post down	Demsrule86	May 2016	#143
K&R#115 n/t	bobthedrummer	May 2016	#144
kick nt	antigop	May 2016	#170
Wow! Thanks for this well researched and written post!!	Else You Are Mad	May 2016	#178
Lots of yelping dogs in this thread.	frylock	May 2016	#194
yep. You always know when Paul hits the nail on the head. nt	antigop	May 2016	#200
Great work. So much new information coming to light about this email fiasco... /nt	think	May 2016	#201
K&R Excellent work	felix_numinous	May 2016	#203
To investigate was reasonable and necessary.	Kablooie	May 2016	#209
Yes, save the country from further damage and do the right thing. . . .let us hear your findings FBI	pdsimdars	May 2016	#217
Oh sure	lmbradford	May 2016	#226
Truth and justice? What's that?	Kablooie	May 2016	#229
K & R!	TIME TO PANIC	May 2016	#215
Great post paulthompson!	sorechasm	May 2016	#218
Recommend...Thanks Paul Thompson..	KoKo	May 2016	#221
K&R	azmom	May 2016	#222
Comey is going to be tough on this. He's a Republican.	EndElectoral	May 2016	#242

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