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dreamnightwind

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174. And we are manipulated into wars using the exact same process
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Presentation of non-supported allegations, repeated in so many different venues by so many establishment hacks who are getting their lead lines from the corporate-political pipeline, reinforce lies and misrepresentations to sell the American people on the need to attack people in foreign lands and spend all our money on the largest military machine ever seen on this planet.

It's worth looking at how this happens, how false or misleading premises are established as fact by endless repetition and selectively-edited quotes and clips.

I don't know if the majority of people will ever be capable of sorting through these kind of distortions to get any actual understanding of events. I doubt it.

So the only solution possible is to remove agendas from media. One way to do so is through democratization of media, such as what the internet allows. There are still distortions, but all sides are able to make their case, rather than only those who ally with corporate interests.

Another way is to prohibit for-profit corporations from doing news or political opinion on the airwaves or cable. A total non-profit news delivery model, with no corporate money allowed in the process. Kind of like what we need to do with our political campaigns.

We're not even close to having any actionable solution for this, nor even an agreed-on strategy. But until we do, the country will be running on consent given by people who are basing that consent on manufactured consensus and lies. And that''s no way to run a "democracy".

LOL!!!! pangaia May 2016 #1
Hey Barbara , you most beloved of liberal senators UNDER THE BIG BUS !!! Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #108
She did what she did. There is no bus. pangaia May 2016 #116
She fell on her sword...probably called in a favor. libdem4life May 2016 #197
What a shame to go out lying for Hillary. Just a shame. MaeScott May 2016 #228
This has been a regretful element of libdem4life May 2016 #229
Results of your Jury Service Matrosov May 2016 #230
Thanks for the heads up. libdem4life May 2016 #231
Uhh, was the sniper thing ever disproven? scscholar May 2016 #2
Are you even remotely serious? Bread and Circus May 2016 #3
This is the mentality we are up against. dchill May 2016 #20
Last figure I saw was around 60% of those polled think she's dishonest. merrily May 2016 #54
I have to wonder how many of the hard-line Hillary supporters... dchill May 2016 #58
Don't worry about what they're thinking. merrily May 2016 #98
You should have won! Silver_Witch May 2016 #105
Decent people shouldn't support liars like Boxer. merrily May 2016 #110
She is just hoping for a cabinet seat I am sure. Silver_Witch May 2016 #216
She'll do ok.She's the mother in-law of Hillary's brother( I think that's the relationship: merrily May 2016 #218
Oh my gosh I never knew that... Silver_Witch May 2016 #220
They also say Bernie is taking us "poor' people for suckers. pangaia May 2016 #118
It's the green eyed monster. dchill May 2016 #164
Exactly... Reminds of this scene from The Grinch... Yurovsky May 2016 #170
Teaches two valuable lessons from my youth... dchill May 2016 #172
And who DOESN'T love his little dog "Max"?!??!?? Yurovsky May 2016 #176
I have concluded, sadly, that the worst of them see in her qualities they admire in themselves. sibelian May 2016 #191
Well the motivation for some of them has got to truedelphi May 2016 #222
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #124
LOL! Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #205
Ah, yes Duckhunter935 May 2016 #6
Hillary herself said she "misspoke" about the "sniper fire", Art_from_Ark May 2016 #7
She "Misspoke" About It Multiple Times... That's Called A LIE. AzDar May 2016 #10
Depends on what the definition of "is" is Art_from_Ark May 2016 #11
You are correct... didn't check my Clinton-To-English Dictionary. AzDar May 2016 #14
Nice one art, you will get an award for that one. Darb May 2016 #90
Oh come on. She hadn't slept in MONTHS! Sleep depravity is series! cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #55
Sleep depravity. Best new phrase I love the turn of phrase--it works. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #122
I know I am pretty depraved when I sleep--at least when I am dreaming. Vattel May 2016 #135
DUzy! merrily May 2016 #223
Brian Williams lost his job for less n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #126
how can one misspeak about something like that Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #207
She does have a propsensity to, um, embellish Art_from_Ark May 2016 #226
Actually it was all true Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #13
Oh Cheese you are going to make the Clinton supporters cry! Silver_Witch May 2016 #107
Don't forget she claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. derpderpderp May 2016 #127
Yes, utterly disproven. merrily May 2016 #35
It was disproven. Mrs. Clinton was greeted with flowers, akbacchus_BC May 2016 #61
YouTube has plenty of videos. JRLeft May 2016 #87
well, I don't think Hillary was flipping the snipers off trudyco May 2016 #4
In order to flip off snipers, first, you need snipers. merrily May 2016 #45
Lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #5
Oooh! More bro bragging The Second Stone May 2016 #8
You may need to look up the definition of bragging. merrily May 2016 #46
I think they were just tasked with using 'bro' in a sentence. HooptieWagon May 2016 #77
Is there a bonus for gratuitously using bro in their canned responses? JonLeibowitz May 2016 #79
I heard Brock gives an extra dollar for every "Bro" Flighty McFlight May 2016 #210
No matter how nonsensical! Good point. You're probably correct. merrily May 2016 #80
Even they must be getting tired of this lazy, misandric drivel by now... sibelian May 2016 #192
I'm putting in a bro for you trudyco May 2016 #139
Cool story bro n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2016 #194
Big giant fat fucking liars. Luminous Animal May 2016 #9
^THIS^ is the truth, right here. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #56
Guess you didn't see the video of the Sanders supporter angrily yelling "f_ck you bitch" just a . . brush May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #16
You didn't answer the question. Did you see the video? brush May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #21
You didn't ask a question mindwalker_i May 2016 #43
Not nice at all, but how does cursing make a politician fear for her life? merrily May 2016 #37
Exactly. We woman are not delicate flowers who faint at swear words! Silver_Witch May 2016 #112
Fuck yeah!!! pangaia May 2016 #119
Fuck was my wife's favorite word, with shit a close second. hobbit709 May 2016 #175
She sounds like a wonderful woman! Silver_Witch May 2016 #215
A-fucking-men! Amaril May 2016 #182
Exactly... Silver_Witch May 2016 #214
Bad analogy whathehell May 2016 #15
Violence and chair throwing can be documented senz May 2016 #17
No.shit...She never claimed that happened, and guess what? whathehell May 2016 #23
Is that why she was taunting, crowing and chortling? senz May 2016 #24
Please show us where she is "taunting, growing and chortling" whathehell May 2016 #26
Here ya go... senz May 2016 #29
Did you see this one? notadmblnd May 2016 #32
Wow. I saw a still of it and didn't know who it was. senz May 2016 #36
No, we did not know... shanti May 2016 #40
I've voted for her and once had a great deal of respect for her. frylock May 2016 #57
Not only NOT scared but aggressively contemptuous. In fairness, what else could she do? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #147
^^ Excellent overview & summary ^^ senz May 2016 #163
Whenever someone puts me in mortal terror, I flip them off, too. merrily May 2016 #41
I often re-evaluate my environment more than once, hence my reactions may or may not change as well. LanternWaste May 2016 #88
My bias, my ass. Watch the videos. merrily May 2016 #95
The crowd was rude, but her behavior was bizarre. merrily May 2016 #44
This is all starting to have a ritualistic air to it. Very creepy FlatBaroque May 2016 #50
Funny you should say that. Until this thread, my standard comment on Boxer has been merrily May 2016 #52
Her daughter was married to Hill's brother. senz May 2016 #60
Thanks. Yep. Google reveals a lot of incestuous interrelationships. merrily May 2016 #99
Haha. trudyco May 2016 #143
I hope Zach is heavily biased in favor of his family, as are most of us. merrily May 2016 #145
It's not bizarre at all. It was trolling. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #158
TM99 called this right passiveporcupine May 2016 #65
I see her emphatically flipping the bird in the last couple of seconds of the video merrily May 2016 #224
and now she claims she was in fear for her life? bunnies May 2016 #115
Clearly the behavior of a terrified woman. notadmblnd May 2016 #117
Indeed. The poor dear. bunnies May 2016 #121
I think if something like that happened to me, that I would be afraid notadmblnd May 2016 #123
Myself, I'd probably flee the country in terror. bunnies May 2016 #125
It would be necessary for cosmetic surgery to be involved notadmblnd May 2016 #129
So true, so true. bunnies May 2016 #132
ISIL got nothing on Bernie Bros baby! notadmblnd May 2016 #133
Thanks, senz. A cop or guard is right beside her the whole time, ffs. And others probably close by merrily May 2016 #42
The one clip I saw, there was a phalanx of gun-toting officers libdem4life May 2016 #137
As I keep saying, she Gloria Steinemed herself. merrily May 2016 #140
Boxer has always been level-headed and classy. Unfortunate, indeed. libdem4life May 2016 #142
But....I like pretzels. merrily May 2016 #146
Forgot about Bush...LOL libdem4life May 2016 #149
See? Even a lowly pretzel can serve the nation. merrily May 2016 #150
Now you've gone and done it. Steinham leads to pretzels lead to Bush libdem4life May 2016 #199
I followed your post, but I don't know what I've done. I hope it was making you smile. merrily May 2016 #219
Then it's a good thing she's getting out of politics and again, see Reply 37. merrily May 2016 #39
And one can "feel" that they are dodging sniper fire, but the FACT IS, IT NEVER HAPPENED. pdsimdars May 2016 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #18
Feelings are "reality" for those feeling them. Boxer never CLAIMED violence --he said she felt fear whathehell May 2016 #25
no, but the posted videos prove that she didn't ACT as if she was in fear... lapfog_1 May 2016 #31
Oh, please...That's a matter of speculation.. whathehell May 2016 #91
kind of like being a Jew at Nuremberg lapfog_1 May 2016 #93
Ever worn a dress? whathehell May 2016 #94
wow, victim hood... nothing bad ever happens to men, only women lapfog_1 May 2016 #97
wow..denial hood...Are you saying women aren't "victims' of misogyny? whathehell May 2016 #189
watch how fearful she appeared notadmblnd May 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #34
Lol..Sounds like your 'professional' opinion is being undermined whathehell May 2016 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #179
Lol...No, you are out of yours whathehell May 2016 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #193
Yes, you are whathehell May 2016 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #196
Given your FIFTEEN hides in 90 days, it seems fair to suggest that whathehell May 2016 #200
Maybe she felt guilt passiveporcupine May 2016 #67
They should feel guilt about abusing her with gender slurs.. whathehell May 2016 #86
And then to spread that lie all over. pdsimdars May 2016 #148
Boxer's "strong emotions" were supported by the event of whathehell May 2016 #203
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #204
People had an opinion about the truthfulness of Hillary's story before the video appeared. merrily May 2016 #38
I feel sorry for her Deb May 2016 #22
Did you watch the videos senz and notadmblind posted? merrily May 2016 #47
Of course I watched Deb May 2016 #84
I don't care that her actions were inappropriate. If she wants to act like a 12 year old clown, merrily May 2016 #96
Not to mention when they're being verbally abused with sexist slurs whathehell May 2016 #92
Oh yeh all the Bernie supporters were MEN! senz May 2016 #165
No,I'd guess not, since I'm one whathehell May 2016 #183
Well then I think we have a misunderstanding here. senz May 2016 #188
Okay. n/t whathehell May 2016 #190
Yeah, all those big, violent BERNIE BRO THUGS!! Wednesdays May 2016 #171
K&R. dchill May 2016 #27
K and fucking R Autumn May 2016 #28
Exactly. (I also find it morally bankrupt for people who think nothing of casually bjo59 May 2016 #30
WOW. That is one great post. merrily May 2016 #48
Such an excellent point. senz May 2016 #63
Great post, and the liars expect people with morals to vote for them! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #64
^^^^^^thread winner^^^^^ n/t mooseprime May 2016 #69
Yes, it raises grave doubts about their values and judgement. pdsimdars May 2016 #151
Well, well whaddaya know? Another Hillary camper proven dishonest by video. merrily May 2016 #49
I don't understand CajunBlazer May 2016 #51
She ruined what little reputation they had left TheFarS1de May 2016 #59
I'm not talking about Boxer, I'me talking about you CajunBlazer May 2016 #66
Have you stopped hitting your wife ? TheFarS1de May 2016 #76
No, that tactic won't work! CajunBlazer May 2016 #213
You want to know who is really threatening our children and grandchildren? truedelphi May 2016 #209
More deflective BS BS CajunBlazer May 2016 #217
Stealing elections makes voters very, very angry. senz May 2016 #72
Yes it does. Especially when you have an honorable perosn like Bernie truedelphi May 2016 #221
The Tuzla airport was the scene of intense fighting for many weeks cheapdate May 2016 #53
She took her kid with her Fumesucker May 2016 #62
I have no idea what went into cheapdate May 2016 #68
I think Mrs. Clinton went for a visit and took Chelsea with her! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #70
The First Lady accepted some personal risk cheapdate May 2016 #73
Good for you! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #74
The government spends millions upon millions to ensure the safety of the First Family Fumesucker May 2016 #71
As I recall cheapdate May 2016 #75
Sinbad accompanied the Clintons on that trip. djean111 May 2016 #102
So don't vote for her. cheapdate May 2016 #130
Why would I care if you cared? djean111 May 2016 #134
Sure, and why would Brian Williams "make up a story" cheapdate May 2016 #162
The difference is that Hillary was nowhere near any gunshots. djean111 May 2016 #168
Sounds good. Your mind is made up and so is mine. cheapdate May 2016 #181
100% of the snipers I know think this is accurate. cliffordu May 2016 #78
A-yup! Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #109
I can fling poop. cliffordu May 2016 #159
We have other weapons to use against politicians. senz May 2016 #167
I believe everyone should know how to safely handle firearms.... cliffordu May 2016 #227
Hey, flying chairs can be more dangerous than flying bullets jack_krass May 2016 #81
Or bombs. . . pdsimdars May 2016 #153
The sniping went on for years MFM008 May 2016 #82
This one isn't true. The question isn't whether or not there were snipers in Bosnia. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #106
'Course there's video of her on hte tarmac, getting flowers from a little girl Scootaloo May 2016 #131
OP fit for the right-wing site of your choice... VOX May 2016 #83
+1 JoePhilly May 2016 #100
Thank you. Senator Boxer has always been a staunch progressive Senator, and I am proud to say I still_one May 2016 #156
Because holding HRC responsible for her behavior is SO rightwing. senz May 2016 #169
UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU BARBARA, YOU FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darb May 2016 #89
K&R silvershadow May 2016 #101
Lol what the fuck was she doing in NV? WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #103
Trolling liberals, apparently. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #111
exactly boomer55 May 2016 #104
good one dana_b May 2016 #113
MASSIVE KANDR!! liberalnarb May 2016 #114
I heard there's video of Boxer dodging thrown chairs. Dr. Strange May 2016 #120
But I think Hillary's UFO aliens from area 51 took it in their space ship pdsimdars May 2016 #155
I expect to see her in heavy eyeshadow with a backwards B on her cheek any day now Scootaloo May 2016 #128
lol, perfect! That's where she belongs now. senz May 2016 #166
They're not stupid. Just very, very thoughtless Scootaloo May 2016 #180
Apparently something is slipping and they know it. senz May 2016 #187
Awesome plan! Keep attacking a popular Senator from CA going into the CA primary Maven May 2016 #136
Is she running? pdsimdars May 2016 #157
kicked! MaeScott May 2016 #138
Lol (nt) Babel_17 May 2016 #141
The whole thing was just surreal to see thrown about days after. polly7 May 2016 #152
Great OP title. This thread should have at least a hundred recs. Oh, wait. It does! merrily May 2016 #154
BUT, WE have to not let it go. Thom Hartmann thinks it was no big deal. pdsimdars May 2016 #160
TH discussed it at length on, iirc, Wednesday. He took it seriously. senz May 2016 #173
And we are manipulated into wars using the exact same process dreamnightwind May 2016 #174
Good points, edgineered May 2016 #208
Hillary blowing kisses to the snipers. mhatrw May 2016 #161
Perfectly said! arcane1 May 2016 #177
Seriously? Dem2 May 2016 #178
Not a fair comparison. The Bosnia sniper fire lie was for self-aggrandizement; Boxer's lie was at Attorney in Texas May 2016 #184
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #185
I do not believe in ratcheting up violent rhetoric lovemydog May 2016 #198
This thread is revolting. apcalc May 2016 #201
Yes, it's testosterone fueled rage on display whathehell May 2016 #225
yoy do know they actually told Hillary... artyteacher May 2016 #202
Boxer should be called out on this Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #206
Yep azurnoir May 2016 #211
Neckbeards have super powers Capt. Obvious May 2016 #212
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