2016 Postmortem

delrem

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96. Well, I don't understand it. What do you mean by "realist" and "loyalist"?

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:47 AM

May 2016

I think the Dem primary is just going into a phase that strongly favors Sen. Sanders' ideas, where he can win big.
I think those ideas need promoting so the win will be bigger.

I don't give a shit about the reasons why a Dem would vote for Hillary in this primary.
Conceding absolutely to Hillary for the GE isn't an issue, and I don't give a shit about the reasons "mathematics, baby - she'll win by mathematics and then it's absolute Hillary. So there's no need to listen to the left. None at all." kI don't give a shit for that kind of reasoning.

"Realism" is what you make it, in politics, and Sanders will make a better reality than Clinton.

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If I lived in a swing state, I'd absolutely feel it was my duty to vote for Hillary [View all] cali May 2016 OP

I don't. She knows what the risks are. The Charade has gone on long enough. nt silvershadow May 2016 #1

What charade exactly? cali May 2016 #2

Of being the presumptuous front runner. nt silvershadow May 2016 #4

Hillary to Bush donors:"I share your values". HooptieWagon May 2016 #5

Then you are blind ... nt salinsky May 2016 #28

Her words. HooptieWagon May 2016 #34

We are talking about Trump here ... salinsky May 2016 #36

So what? We are talking about her, not him. There's no question that a person in their right mind Kittycat May 2016 #58

Pretty miuch agreed. I'm in a deep blue non-swing state, myself villager May 2016 #3

Same here. Although... Arugula Latte May 2016 #11

"I'll see what the polls are saying in late October" villager May 2016 #25

It's those of us in blue states who are NEEDED to break the 2-party gridlock. arcane1 May 2016 #38

Also true. "Shock levels" of support for alternatives... nt villager May 2016 #41

yup, same for me. nt m-lekktor May 2016 #54

Hillary has made it quite clear she doesn't want my vote. HooptieWagon May 2016 #6

Not everyone will suffer in a Trump presidency hack89 May 2016 #45

People worried about Trump should have voted for Sanders. HooptieWagon May 2016 #47

So, other should not vote their conscience- just you? That's funny. bettyellen May 2016 #48

Vote your conscience, and we'll vote ours. HooptieWagon May 2016 #52

No where equal to Clintons on social issues. Cosigning others work instead of doing the work? No. bettyellen May 2016 #55

That's laughably delusional. HooptieWagon May 2016 #56

You negate 25 years of hard work because of her teenage years? DADT improved the lives of bettyellen May 2016 #64

Sorry. Incrementalism isn't leadership. HooptieWagon May 2016 #66

It is actually how civil rights have come to be extended in this nation. It has taken a generation bettyellen May 2016 #73

You can expect a Hillary presidency to be essentially a continuation of the Obama presidency. Nye Bevan May 2016 #7

No, I really can't. Not on foreign policy, not on tone cali May 2016 #9

What if there are fewer drone strikes and fewer US troops in the Middle East, Nye Bevan May 2016 #15

I'd be shocked. Not so much by the latter cali May 2016 #19

I'd be waiting to wake up and for the other shoe to drop. VulgarPoet May 2016 #42

I agree democrattotheend May 2016 #86

No. It'll be worse. HooptieWagon May 2016 #12

Obama did no such thing emulatorloo May 2016 #27

Hillary Clinton is not POTUS Obama in skill nor character. PufPuf23 May 2016 #75

I REALLY do NOT Trust Clinton on Foreign Policy. Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #8

He isn't mentally stable. cali May 2016 #10

There's currently several countries between Afganistan and Libya were not at war with. HooptieWagon May 2016 #18

Of course you would. So what? snowy owl May 2016 #13

Don't feel that way! Hillary has ALREADY voted for Border Wall; She is a war hawk, NeoCons love her amborin May 2016 #14

She's sane. He is not. cali May 2016 #20

She has terrible judgment that has harmed millions amborin May 2016 #22

He is an insane. She is not. emulatorloo May 2016 #29

Yes. And she's still sane, and he's still not cali May 2016 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author LaurenG May 2016 #68

Swing stater jeepers May 2016 #16

I do, and I won't. kiva May 2016 #17

You dont think SheenaR May 2016 #21

He encourages violence at his rallies. He was a key promoter of Birtherism and calls for Obama's emulatorloo May 2016 #31

Very valid points. As are the ones below... Thanks.. n/t SheenaR May 2016 #37

As someone who HAS spent time in Trump's circle, he really IS dangerously narcissistic. blm May 2016 #32

Having only talked to Trump for about 20 minutes as a young woman HockeyMom May 2016 #71

I don't think he's mentally stable. cali May 2016 #33

You are quite possibly correct yourpaljoey May 2016 #60

Im in a very red state; I would still feel a responsibility to vote Sanders. I have no expectation seabeyond May 2016 #23

Kudos to you! amborin May 2016 #24

The Dem primary is continuing. Sanders has NOT conceded, delrem May 2016 #26

From someone who has butted heads with cali for over a decade, it's simple…. blm May 2016 #35

Well, I don't understand it. What do you mean by "realist" and "loyalist"? delrem May 2016 #96

Suit yourself - I was just offering insight into cali. blm May 2016 #104

Thank the Goddess I'm not. nt VulgarPoet May 2016 #39

I am not sure that overweening ambition has not crept in and overlaid a little sanity for Hillary. djean111 May 2016 #40

"Both candidates are frightening to me. " Dems to Win May 2016 #67

Thanks for not telling us what we should do with our votes BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #43

You are very.welcome! cali May 2016 #46

as for sanity, she's racking up the microstrokes as we speak: her speeches are gibberish MisterP May 2016 #44

Yet..., Clinton kicked Sanders ass. Lol. seabeyond May 2016 #89

Over 3 million popular votes and 300 delegates ahead. Enough said! leftofcool May 2016 #97

I'm not making any firm decision unti I see a final delegate count, a running mate, a platform, Vote2016 May 2016 #49

I'll echo you. I live in Vermont. cali May 2016 #53

I'm in a swing state Bettie May 2016 #50

Michigan here. No comment at this time. eom Purveyor May 2016 #51

Michigan as well. She's not getting my vote unless I see those transcripts. Barack_America May 2016 #59

Colorado here... Buddyblazon May 2016 #57

This is sensible. nolawarlock May 2016 #61

Luckily if Bernie was the nominee I live in MA so I would be safe not voting for him. Of course seaglass May 2016 #62

As an Ohioan, I agree. I sometimes wish I lived in a non-'swing' state so pampango May 2016 #63

Arkansas's not expected to be in play, but... moriah May 2016 #70

I'll trade you - I want to live in a swing state! democrattotheend May 2016 #87

Well said. CincyDem May 2016 #101

If Trump's so evil, why were the Clintons at his wedding? Dems to Win May 2016 #65

One regime proposes criminal penalties for women who abort... moriah May 2016 #69

For single-issue abortion rights voters, you've made the case. Dems to Win May 2016 #76

Even for thinking people who shouldn't want a government small enough... moriah May 2016 #78

I can and do think about more than one issue. Dems to Win May 2016 #80

It's not just an abortion issue, is what I was getting at. moriah May 2016 #81

I'm so glad you're back, cali. MineralMan May 2016 #72

You're slipping. cali May 2016 #74

Democrats in Ohio and Florida need to pinch their noses so the rest of us can vote our conscience! Attorney in Texas May 2016 #77

I live in florida and SwampG8r May 2016 #102

Free Trade sucks Rass May 2016 #79

Glad to live in a non swing state. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #82

Trump can't function without the senate... I get to vote for Feingold, and thereby claim privilege HereSince1628 May 2016 #83

I feel the exact same way democrattotheend May 2016 #84

No, I don't think we feel the same way. cali May 2016 #85

I don't consider Trump insane at all. sadoldgirl May 2016 #88

Sorry, I meant about the swing state/non-swing state thing democrattotheend May 2016 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #91

Not me. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #92

She is the cleanest soiled shirt in the Hamper.... JPnoodleman May 2016 #93

Sanity? She claimed she was under sniper fire, among other wierd statements. Live and Learn May 2016 #94

Cali, you've been one of my favorite posters over the years. frustrated_lefty May 2016 #95

I live in a swing state. If Clinton is the nominee, I'll hold my nose and vote "D". nt JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #98

If I lived in a swing state, the DEM would get my vote, even Hillary. bigwillq May 2016 #99

My home state does not determine my presidential vote. CobaltBlue May 2016 #100

I do and I don't on the "duty" thing. nt Purveyor May 2016 #103