2016 Postmortem

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She's not going to be indicted. It's a right wing fantasy. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #1

Okay. How do you know that? What are you basing it on? And... FourScore Apr 2016 #3

Because the only ones saying 'she will be indicted' are on Fox News emulatorloo Apr 2016 #10

That's not true. We know an awful lot. FourScore Apr 2016 #13

My point was only right-wing media are pushing "she will be indicted" meme emulatorloo Apr 2016 #21

The question is, how do you know she WON'T be indicted? FourScore Apr 2016 #35

If, as you say, the Republicans want Trump to win, they won't wait till Cal33 Apr 2016 #73

I have heard that the DNC will ask Biden to replace Clinton. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #117

The DNC would be crazy to replace Clinton with... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #129

Winning may not be as important to the Makers as maintaining the "status quo cash flow" as I see it. JudyM Apr 2016 #137

Yes, that could be a good reason for the Establishment Democrats to prefer Cal33 Apr 2016 #197

Thanks for the info. It seems the DNC would prefer to have a Republican than Sanders Cal33 Apr 2016 #213

If she were going to be indicted, Biden would have jumped in emulatorloo Apr 2016 #115

I'm not so sure. It is too late for Biden to "jump in". FourScore Apr 2016 #118

I meant he would have jumped in way back when emulatorloo Apr 2016 #120

I don't think we knew as much then as we do now. FourScore Apr 2016 #122

INMO Obama would have known emulatorloo Apr 2016 #123

No, he is not "in the loop" angrychair Apr 2016 #151

Ok n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #156

I kinda have a feeling your instincts are correct that Obama is in the loop. 2banon Apr 2016 #155

Do you really think anyone could have stopped her from tossing her winter is coming Apr 2016 #159

That's a good point, and yes I have thought of the fact she's been campaigning since 2000. 2banon Apr 2016 #163

Someone pointed out to me last night that the Clintons are the most powerful, political family FourScore Apr 2016 #168

When I learned of one of the Rothschilds close ties, that's the moment I "got it". 2banon Apr 2016 #176

"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike Gothmog Apr 2016 #203

we know that she employed Sid Blumenthal... grasswire Apr 2016 #34

#5 isn't factual. Agschmid Apr 2016 #71

Please elaborate. What is not factual about it? n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #119

Gucifer did not hack Hillary's system. Agschmid Apr 2016 #134

Correct. Guccifer hacked Blumenthal's system. frylock Apr 2016 #143

HA! I've got two #5s in that list, so I was looking at the wrong one! FourScore Apr 2016 #146

Bernie didn't make it an issue, because he wants to run an issue based campaign jfern Apr 2016 #58

It was Drudge who first told of Monica Lewinsky. Anyone, even Fox, can be right sometimes. jg10003 Apr 2016 #216

Exactly. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #233

re: "Especially the immunity" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #56

The FBI And It's Head (Comey) And ALL Of Its Agents Will Be The Laughing Stock Of The World If They CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #192

Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server Gothmog Apr 2016 #202

Have you read any of the emails between her and Blumenthal? Samantha Apr 2016 #8

Go read the email exchanges 840high Apr 2016 #36

The FBI Report will find she violated the terms of her signed security agreement. That is leveymg Apr 2016 #85

I've wondering if an "October Surprise" is the intended agenda. 2banon Apr 2016 #97

Bingo! ymetca Apr 2016 #127

The Clintons, James Comey, federal investigations, Loretta Lynch, Maggie Williams-where have WE bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #133

interesting quote. I like that, where did it originate? 2banon Apr 2016 #167

Agree - I've said many times here that Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #138

Laypersons are so silly when they try to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #204

Unlike 1924, Sec 793 (e) and (f) don't require a showing of intent. leveymg Apr 2016 #217

Your attempts at analysis are really sad and weak Gothmog Apr 2016 #218

The Espionage Act isn't "most crimes." It's particularly draconian leveymg Apr 2016 #219

Again, thank you for the laughs and the proof that laypersons are bad at legal analysis Gothmog Apr 2016 #221

Repeating yourself, over and over. But, you are having unintended effects. leveymg Apr 2016 #242

Again, laypersons are amusing when they attempt and fail to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #245

You are a 24/7 white noise generator. Keep licking the thread. leveymg Apr 2016 #246

You are Wrong again Gothmog Apr 2016 #205

LAWD! The stupid is real underthematrix Apr 2016 #2

I find it stupid to ignore an FBI investigation. I am trying to understand why this is being ignored FourScore Apr 2016 #5

Current number being bandied about is 12 agents. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #11

Link? I believe you, I just have had trouble finding an exact number. FourScore Apr 2016 #15

I apologize, I don't remember where I read it. Was from an article around time 143 was debunked. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #18

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #130

+1. I never thought 140+ was 140+ FTEs in the first place. winter is coming Apr 2016 #170

This is what is posted at underthematrix Apr 2016 #19

As I understand it, the issue is not just "emails", it's the private server. FourScore Apr 2016 #30

I referred to the emails because they came across her private server. underthematrix Apr 2016 #60

I take what her website says with a grain of salt. FourScore Apr 2016 #65

Hillary has no way of knowing whether her private server was hacked or not. frylock Apr 2016 #149

You do realize HRC is married to a former president, underthematrix Apr 2016 #161

Pleae explain how they would be informed. I didn't think hacking always left an imprint. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #169

This is something that would be handled by their technology team. A state dept employee working as a underthematrix Apr 2016 #177

Maybe that's why he pled the Fifth and got immunity. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #185

The 5th only refers to HIS actions underthematrix Apr 2016 #187

If he did (or failed to do) something, it probably wasn't his idea. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #191

It doesn't matter. He is responsible for his actions. underthematrix Apr 2016 #193

I didn't claim he wasn't responsible. But if he did something illegal, following winter is coming Apr 2016 #194

The fact it was "one guy" is one of the red flag issues for all IT people. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #235

So does that mean they have supernatural powers to detect whether they had been hacked? frylock Apr 2016 #175

You must watch a lot of TV underthematrix Apr 2016 #186

Yeah, I do. frylock Apr 2016 #188

Reading is much better. underthematrix Apr 2016 #190

I read a lot, too. frylock Apr 2016 #199

For clarity angrychair Apr 2016 #172

re: "That's how Guccifer hacked it." thesquanderer Apr 2016 #63

Yes. You are right. I stand corrected. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #66

Her defense at that link you posted is not exactly airtight. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #103

THE MSM does not report very much on this because they do not want the public to be aware Samantha Apr 2016 #29

THank you Sam. I see it very much the same way. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #33

Because if they actually had something... scscholar Apr 2016 #154

Solid, complex cases aren't built overnight. winter is coming Apr 2016 #158

As long as there are multiple agents working on this case, which no one denies, FourScore Apr 2016 #160

The Hillary Clinton top-secret email controversy, explained Gothmog Apr 2016 #207

Nice... Walk away Apr 2016 #4

No, you need these hats.... sheshe2 Apr 2016 #17

Those are quite lovely, but not what I'm looking for. FourScore Apr 2016 #24

Benghazi. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #26

I (heart) the internet fringe!!! Walk away Apr 2016 #32

SheShe! You should be Fashion Consultant to all of Bernie's Followers! Walk away Apr 2016 #25

Why thank you Walk away. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #27

You ought to photoshop a tinfoil hat for FBI Director James Comey. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #54

I have always wondered what Obama and Bernie talked about at the White House ViseGrip Apr 2016 #6

Yeah, I've wondered about that Sanders/Obama meeting, too. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #64

Interesting post, Peace Patriot... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #135

Bernie met with Obama January 27, 2016. Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #157

A Most OUTSTANDING post Peace Patriot! 2banon Apr 2016 #165

FBI is keeping a lid on an on-going criminal investigation. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #7

Would you hire a lawyer for a 'fantasy'? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #9

You look silly. Do you have any substance to add to the discussion? Because Hillary will be FourScore Apr 2016 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #53

No. If Clinton does drop out, then the only alternative is Bernie. Kentonio Apr 2016 #105

My guess is Biden CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #240

Yep, the "Top Secret" Emails Were All About Drones Gothmog Apr 2016 #208

Wow, you are a font of disinformation, aren't you. leveymg Apr 2016 #222

Facts and the law scare you Gothmog Apr 2016 #226

Interesting Rovian tactic you use there, Gothmog: reverse projection of your own leveymg Apr 2016 #241

I understand the legal concepts involved Gothmog Apr 2016 #248

Your posts show no sign of understanding the issues. You post only cherry-picked mass media that leveymg Apr 2016 #249

re: "Would you hire a lawyer for a 'fantasy'?" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #61

Regarding the MSM, today I was trying to remember Gruciffer's name floppyboo Apr 2016 #12

It's remarkable, isn't it? FourScore Apr 2016 #22

no, the media blackout makes perfect sense. antigop Apr 2016 #79

FFS-the FBI doesn't indict dlwickham Apr 2016 #14

Okay, legal-whiz, please explain the process rather than insulting. FourScore Apr 2016 #20

google is your friend dlwickham Apr 2016 #23

the FBI presents its evidence to the Attorney General, Loretta Lynch (Clinton ties) grasswire Apr 2016 #28

Thank you! Actually, I knew all of that and wrote it in the OP. FourScore Apr 2016 #39

The FBI investigates and makes a recommendation to the DOJ Samantha Apr 2016 #44

I completely agree. FourScore Apr 2016 #46

You are starting to worry me now -- this is exactly what I think Samantha Apr 2016 #48

Slow your roll. IIRC, it was said at the time that Sanders' visit to the WH winter is coming Apr 2016 #49

I did not hear that about the meeting being scheduled months in advance - but I heard nothing Samantha Apr 2016 #55

re: "if the DOJ proceeds, some would say that taints his legacy" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #62

Obama's administration has got to be one of the cleanest admins since Carter. 2banon Apr 2016 #198

I seem to remember George HW Bush having a clean administration. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #201

That's not what I remember - TONS of criminal prosecutions. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #237

Yeah, Reagan's administration was a mess. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #238

Hillary put Obama in 840high Apr 2016 #178

I've been thinking all of the above, too. nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #83

Ditto. I have believed this too for a long time now farleftlib Apr 2016 #87

Excellent points. nt 2cannan Apr 2016 #101

Actually, I think he named her SoS to keep her relatively content. winter is coming Apr 2016 #171

There is no specific intent or mens rea here Gothmog Apr 2016 #206

The FBI is working with DOJ lawyers, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #82

Go back and read the OP dlwickham Apr 2016 #89

I am very familiar with the information. I am responding to your IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #90

The FBI still doesn't indict though dlwickham Apr 2016 #95

The FBI makes RECOMMENDATIONS for indictment, and then the DOJ IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #100

recommendations aren't indictments dlwickham Apr 2016 #132

My worry is that the FBI is accumulating info only to gain leverage on her . . . snot Apr 2016 #31

That's a pretty scary thought, but I just can't imagine it happening. FourScore Apr 2016 #37

Uhhh . . . have you researched how the FBI or CIA have tried to blackmail others in the past? snot Apr 2016 #38

That would be very scary. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #41

Hillary Clinton didn't break the law Gothmog Apr 2016 #209

You mean a la J. Edgar Hoover and his files? grasswire Apr 2016 #40

Good lawd, snot Apr 2016 #42

You think Obama controlls these agencies? snot Apr 2016 #51

Comey is no J. Edgar Hoover (eom) Samantha Apr 2016 #45

I'm not worried about that. What worries me is that winter is coming Apr 2016 #50

Ummm.. the FBI doesn't indict anyone onenote Apr 2016 #43

Thanks for bringing the thread down to earth. still_one Apr 2016 #52

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #68

The FBI is working with DOJ lawyers, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #84

Did anything I say contradict that? onenote Apr 2016 #102

The word the poster did not include was "recommend" with a (my perception) IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #104

It's ham sandwich, not cheese sandwich. frylock Apr 2016 #152

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST IN THIS THREAD!!! FourScore Apr 2016 #166

Great post Ida angrychair Apr 2016 #183

A very clear summary, thanks. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #184

The MSM can't report what isn't known. Chan790 Apr 2016 #47

No, it's not all "shadows." The emails are being published (though redacted... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #57

I wasn't referring to the emails or their contents...but the investigation... Chan790 Apr 2016 #69

Ah! Sorry, I misunderstood you. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #131

...! KoKo Apr 2016 #78

There is a high chance of indictment. jfern Apr 2016 #59

Shit will hit the fan even if he doesn't. Barack_America Apr 2016 #67

Obama said he won't get involved dana_b Apr 2016 #113

In regards to your edit... Agschmid Apr 2016 #70

It doesn't matter if she's indicted or not. Either way it's bad. Vinca Apr 2016 #72

I believe the FBI may wait for the Supremes' ruling on the Bob McDonnell corruption case. JudyM Apr 2016 #74

That is an interesting take - thank you for sharing! nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #91

Seems logical to me. The timing would allow the FBI about a month before the Dem Convention. JudyM Apr 2016 #96

I think if they were ready to go right now, they wouldn't sit on their hands winter is coming Apr 2016 #125

Why wouldn't they wait if the entire standard for one or more of their main charges is about to be JudyM Apr 2016 #140

The longer they wait, the more likely leaks become. winter is coming Apr 2016 #142

Ok, winter is coming, that's a fair argument, too. We will see, and I hope you are right! JudyM Apr 2016 #144

Actually, it's a nice point on your part that they might wait until after the SC winter is coming Apr 2016 #145

It's time you accepted the brutal truth: Fitzmas will never come. randome Apr 2016 #75

You're the one spinning here CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #81

There is only a 'cloud' because you insist on seeing one. randome Apr 2016 #94

Um. The cloud is quite obviously around your head. Check the facts before you call em far fetched. JudyM Apr 2016 #98

There are two Hillary email camps: CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #108

Great idea. Serious discussion threads get crapped up by those two camps incessantly. Nothing JudyM Apr 2016 #109

OMG, you are completely clueless on all points CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #106

Sorry, it's not looking good for you. randome Apr 2016 #114

So you're suggesting CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #150

I'm 'suggesting' that Clinton is not a moron and that I don't understand all the technical details. randome Apr 2016 #243

I see it exactlyu as you do, CC. And you haven't even mentioned the pay to play, FourScore Apr 2016 #174

Your post is enlightening, randome, but not in a good way. FourScore Apr 2016 #173

FBI does not indict beachbum bob Apr 2016 #76

Which is the DOJ lawyers are involved, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #80

A lot of this thread is wayyyyy off. I tend to agree with chan790, no news until there is news. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #77

Well, I hope she is indicted... lmbradford Apr 2016 #86

I actually do not hope she gets indicted. FourScore Apr 2016 #124

I can only say how I would feel if the FBI were investigating me. Punkingal Apr 2016 #88

I would because most likely it would be my brother DVRacer Apr 2016 #112

Don't you people understand? The FBI does NOT indict people!!!!!!!!! George II Apr 2016 #92

The FBI is working with DOJ attorneys. The FBI recommends indictment or not IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #107

Please re-read the OP. You are focusing on the absence of one little word. FourScore Apr 2016 #110

The fact remains that the FBI doesn't indict people (I see you unceremoniously ADDED "recommending") George II Apr 2016 #111

Not sure what you mean by "unceremoniously". I fixed my error and clarified my edit. FourScore Apr 2016 #126

The lack of culpable mental state renders the sad attempts at analysis false Gothmog Apr 2016 #210

That's a very good question. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #93

"It's like the government giving the media a gun to stick up the government with![" 2banon Apr 2016 #141

This post in it's entirety ought to be an OP.. 2banon Apr 2016 #148

Thanks, 2banon. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #179

I had forgotten that Watergate was first reported on two years before the election 2banon Apr 2016 #196

Twenty-three sounds a lot more plausible than three. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #225

sorry, I don't follow? 23 what exactly (more plausable than 3?) 2banon Apr 2016 #231

My apologies. I got lost and thought you were saying Hillary was 3 in '74. winter is coming Apr 2016 #232

gotcha. I was 24 in 1974. So am I older than HRC by a year? Never looked at her dob 2banon Apr 2016 #234

Excellent Post noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #236

Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath Gothmog Apr 2016 #99

I have seen this over and oiver from the left, but there is no SUBSTANCE to their claim. FourScore Apr 2016 #121

No crime was committed except in the minds of fox news viewers Gothmog Apr 2016 #128

Have you read any of the emails? FourScore Apr 2016 #164

Yes I have read the e-mails Gothmog Apr 2016 #200

I read somewhere that Guccifer has info in the cloud he's holding to barter for leniency. Vinca Apr 2016 #162

Government Officials: None Of The Emails Were Marked As "Classified" When They Were Sent. Gothmog Apr 2016 #211

The elephant in the room is about to drop a great big TURD John Poet Apr 2016 #116

One interesting fact I heard . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #136

Are you fucking kidding? If "some guy" says it's true, you...you...LOL! randome Apr 2016 #139

It is true that the FBI does not do "security reviews", whether "some guy" said it or not. FourScore Apr 2016 #147

To get Clinton, the DOJ will also have to indict Powell and Rice Gothmog Apr 2016 #212

Ugh. The issue isn't private emails. The issue is the private SERVER with classified info on it. FourScore Apr 2016 #223

Your analysis is wrong as normal Gothmog Apr 2016 #227

Condoleezza Rice Aides, Colin Powell Also Got Classified Info on Personal Emails Gothmog Apr 2016 #214

Agian, the issue is the homebrew server. They may have used a government server. FourScore Apr 2016 #224

Laypersons are so cute and adorable when they attempt to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #229

You might want to let the FBI know that they've been wasting their time and resources. FourScore Apr 2016 #230

Powell, Rice received sensitive info through private emails Gothmog Apr 2016 #215

What is it that you think they do over there at the Bureau? frylock Apr 2016 #182

Of course it's criminal. 840high Apr 2016 #180

Not to the hillbots, it's RW smears to them. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #195

Funny thing about gravity. winter is coming Apr 2016 #220

With a little help from her friends... Chezboo Apr 2016 #153

Interesting. Thank you. 840high Apr 2016 #181

Found this reader comment 840high Apr 2016 #189

If she has done something wrong... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #228

Joe DiGenova on C-Span lmbradford Apr 2016 #239

Do you know who Joe DiGenova is? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #247

What no link today? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #244