2016 Postmortem

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170. It's cute...

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:14 PM

Apr 2016

...how you all answer like you know what's in the heads of Hillary supporters, standing around in a circle stuffing your strawman.

You might actually get a real answer if you didn't make up ridiculous ones; but you don't actually want a real answer, do you? But I'll give you one anyway.

Yes, I care; it's one of the most important things to me and has been for a very long time. It is why I am voting for the candidate that I feel is the best one to accomplish that. Just as you are voting for the candidate that you feel is the best one to accomplish that.

We disagree. It happens.

Edit: For any jury, this is a rebuttal to people thinking they speak for me and people like me.

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Do Clinton supporters CARE about how concentrated Wealth and Power has become? [View all] Armstead Apr 2016 OP

No... Human101948 Apr 2016 #1

I believe you, I just don't understand why? Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #77

Yep. At any cost to us. 840high Apr 2016 #91

Of course they do. Eko Apr 2016 #173

And airlines and railroads: The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #2

They should because wealthy people hoard their wealth unlike middle income wage earners snagglepuss Apr 2016 #7

It's basically the same in EVERY industry Armstead Apr 2016 #22

Evidently the antitrust laws aren't worth shit any more. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #23

No those are "old school" to the Democrats Armstead Apr 2016 #31

So true Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #40

Monopolization of diminishing resources is how the "winneners" survive leveymg Apr 2016 #51

About railroad mergers, elleng Apr 2016 #103

Good. Not to say all mergers are bad, but it seems like The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #107

Nothing rubber stamp when I worked on them, elleng Apr 2016 #109

Obviously not. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #3

If you benefit from the status quo, why would you care? nt antigop Apr 2016 #4

I'm not talking about ones who benefit...But average people who are getting screwed by it Armstead Apr 2016 #5

Almost all of Team Hill here claims to be making over 100k Hydra Apr 2016 #48

Not at all. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #128

I wasn't referring to the voters n/t Hydra Apr 2016 #140

Liberals in Texas ... Trajan Apr 2016 #178

Amen.... But that goes for Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming and probably many others too. (Sander's states) shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #182

To ask that question is to answer it. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #6

We are about solutions and not angry rhetoric. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8

Haven't seen any solutions Armstead Apr 2016 #10

We have divided government. Solutions can only be attained through compromise. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #13

Same blah, blah, blah since the 1970's Armstead Apr 2016 #21

It's a political fact. Ignoring it will achieve nothing but hot air. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #25

This has been a step by step process Armstead Apr 2016 #29

Your way has acheived nothing but sliding backward economically passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #84

"Same blah, blah, blah since the 1970's" is not a response to the divided government issue. CBHagman Apr 2016 #148

I know divided government is a problem Armstead Apr 2016 #150

So you have nothing to say passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #83

All the more reason pokerfan Apr 2016 #115

Not when **compromise** = another step to the RIGHT Martin Eden Apr 2016 #153

probably not, TimeToEvolve Apr 2016 #9

You are right. I do not understand either. Prior to this primary jwirr Apr 2016 #11

👆 This... X1000 deathrind Apr 2016 #53

It is amazing isn't it passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #85

It does seem puzzling how positions can shift depending on the candidates one supports Armstead Apr 2016 #86

Of course, just don't think Sanders is the one to change all that he is a bullshiter uponit7771 Apr 2016 #12

You are personalizing it Armstead Apr 2016 #16

No, he's really full of shit...He has no concrete practical plans... that's not personal that's fact uponit7771 Apr 2016 #82

No, it's personal pengu Apr 2016 #131

Most Sanders supporters cannot grasp that the problem is Bernie, not his message. n/t seaglass Apr 2016 #138

I can actually see how Sanders could personally turn some people off Armstead Apr 2016 #141

What are Hillary's plans? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #142

To be Obama 3.0? Go Vols Apr 2016 #147

Maybe they'll return to previous ideals after they're over getting a woman in the WH. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #14

ok let's talk about how hill2016 Apr 2016 #15

How the hell does that justify your support of increasing the wealth gap here? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #17

we are all on this earth together!!! hill2016 Apr 2016 #19

I completely agree, but the first thing we need to do is stop the massive wealth redistribution rhett o rick Apr 2016 #30

Good luck in getting a reply back quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #180

Nobody who supports Bernie disagrees with that. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #38

let me guess.. by supporting these horrible FTA's TimeToEvolve Apr 2016 #57

Okay... since 80% of US wealth is owned by 10% of its population, you're starting there, right? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #90

Yes we are, but how the hell does the passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #93

The same processes are occurring throughout the world Armstead Apr 2016 #20

Curious, are you center-right in your beliefs? quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #36

And how is your voting for Hillary going to save the rest of the world passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #88

So you're down with "wealth redistribution"... from US workers to capitalists and third world labor. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #89

And the worst part is passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #92

Even the central premise is fucked. Third world labor is not served in any way... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #95

Except that for awhile passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #97

I often wonder about that. I remember the days here when Republicans puzzled us Punkingal Apr 2016 #18

"free stuff" Armstead Apr 2016 #26

When citizens expect to get something beneficial in return for their taxes, Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #28

I believe these people lack power and prestige in their personal lives farleftlib Apr 2016 #24

Very good analysis. Worth much more than 2 cents. nt bjo59 Apr 2016 #44

^^^^^THIS Carni Apr 2016 #134

You fucking nailed it. That is EXACTLY what we're seeing on DU. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #143

Doesn't Appear So colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #27

No TheFarseer Apr 2016 #32

They don't even care that Clinton is a liar. 99Forever Apr 2016 #33

.+1 840high Apr 2016 #94

I think blind followers are just playing a team and HRC is seen as captain... polichick Apr 2016 #34

Well said quantass Apr 2016 #58

Quite the opposite, I think. HassleCat Apr 2016 #35

We used to say that about dumb Republicans Armstead Apr 2016 #60

Why bother to answer when so many answer for us. yardwork Apr 2016 #37

I asked with the intent of learning Armstead Apr 2016 #42

I can only comment on what I see. Maedhros Apr 2016 #39

+1 Matariki Apr 2016 #46

Thats funny! So befitting. nt quantass Apr 2016 #67

Good post Maedhros.. I wonder though, if it's really the same people who railed 2banon Apr 2016 #55

+2 quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #76

No, they approve and hope it continues nt Depaysement Apr 2016 #41

Apparently not. bjo59 Apr 2016 #43

The split is coming closer every day Hydra Apr 2016 #49

Completely agree with you. nt bjo59 Apr 2016 #52

I wonder about a lot of things they don't seem to care about Matariki Apr 2016 #45

All of that is an outgroiwth of what I was referring to Armstead Apr 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Apr 2016 #50

Perhaps one might like to run the same test on the wealth rate gap back in any decade prior to 2000. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #54

There has always been a wealth gap Armstead Apr 2016 #59

Roosevelt adjusted the wealth gap with his 'socialist' programs for two generations passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #96

Today they're defending money laundering to circumvent campaign finance laws, so not they don't care jfern Apr 2016 #56

Yesterday's problem, and Bernie has no solutions anyway. His "basic message" is Hillary is corrupt. ucrdem Apr 2016 #61

This is not just about personalities. Armstead Apr 2016 #63

When you say the "system is corrupt," you're suggesting that the current administration is corrupt. ucrdem Apr 2016 #65

It has been a well known axiom of people of all persuasions that the system is broken Armstead Apr 2016 #68

This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2016 #119

Clinton and Obama agree the system is corrupt...But they bought into it Armstead Apr 2016 #129

Oh for fucks sake passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #98

Nope and they don't care about climate change either. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #62

Shouldn't we try building bridges with each other instead of launching assaults? LonePirate Apr 2016 #64

You think my question was an assault? Armstead Apr 2016 #69

Read the numerous replies and ask yourself if people saw it as an olive branch or pre-emptive strike LonePirate Apr 2016 #70

I used to think that way...But this is a non-negotiable point for me Armstead Apr 2016 #71

Thank you for confirming both of my posts in this thread. LonePirate Apr 2016 #73

I admire your attempt to be conciliatory (honestly) Armstead Apr 2016 #75

You really are a wolf in sheep's clothing aren't you. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #99

And here I thought clamoring for peace - a Bernie ideal - would be respected around here. LonePirate Apr 2016 #101

If it was just this one post, mabye I'd see your point. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #108

Why would I care about the blather coming from Hillary people? LonePirate Apr 2016 #110

I call out Bernie posts all the time for ridiculous stuff passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #114

The OP was provocative, rhetorical flame bait. LonePirate Apr 2016 #121

You obviously don't know the OP passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #157

"if we win we can kick sand in the Sanders suppoters' faces! who cares about the GE!" MisterP Apr 2016 #66

Care about it? They are voting for it! Vote2016 Apr 2016 #72

Obviously not whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #74

No cantbeserious Apr 2016 #78

Yes, and here are several pages describing HRC's plans for addressing the issue sentenza607 Apr 2016 #79

Thank you Armstead Apr 2016 #81

My pleasure sentenza607 Apr 2016 #87

So you don't think Sander's revolution can change the politcal climate? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #100

I was glancing at her ideas, and I saw something that I liked passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #164

With you, Armstead. elleng Apr 2016 #102

The Emperor's New Clothes is one of the most accurate fables there is Armstead Apr 2016 #126

Maybe; I hope so, elleng Apr 2016 #154

Look at my post directly above your post I'm responding to passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #165

Which post wold you be referring to? The order gets jumbled over time Armstead Apr 2016 #166

Sorry, this one passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #169

Well I think it may be too substantial Armstead Apr 2016 #175

I know, but I thought that is what this OP was supposedly about. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #181

No. I've not seen one against her blatant corruption yet. Zira Apr 2016 #104

Not really artislife Apr 2016 #105

That's a great chart, Amstead... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #106

I always believe there is hope -- But when I see crap like this primary campaign ... Armstead Apr 2016 #133

Personally I'm more concerned about the absolute real wage and income level Recursion Apr 2016 #111

Some care, but apparently most do not. As a Kansan, I'm de-sensitized to dumb voters. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #112

Apparently not. KPN Apr 2016 #113

I think they care a lot Corporate666 Apr 2016 #116

You lost me at the word "lying" Armstead Apr 2016 #123

They already have the money, carry water for those who do, or else think they will soon have it. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #117

No they don't. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #118

You premise is flawed...do you understand the causes of inequality? Here's a start. Sancho Apr 2016 #120

I've been paying attention since the 1970's Armstead Apr 2016 #122

I was picking tobacco and working in a textile mill in the 60's... Sancho Apr 2016 #136

Well, that's a different perspective. Thanks for the info. randome Apr 2016 #137

I appreciate your reasoned response in that (honestly) Armstead Apr 2016 #139

The way I remember liberals in the 60's... Sancho Apr 2016 #146

My father was a hyphen in Military-Industrial Complex Armstead Apr 2016 #149

Exactly passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #168

Great post. thanks WhiteTara Apr 2016 #172

If they were too big to fail in 2008? kentuck Apr 2016 #124

Bigger and meaner Armstead Apr 2016 #130

They're either in on it or willing minions. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #125

Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015 stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #127

Her supporters and Republicans I know Carni Apr 2016 #132

yep....The "moderates" seem to become more conservative in a defensive posture Armstead Apr 2016 #135

Yes, and they'd like to keep it that way. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #144

The Clintons' work on behalf of Big Business shows they are speeding the process. Octafish Apr 2016 #145

After Bernie loses the nomination will he use his popularity redstateblues Apr 2016 #151

What will Bernie do? Will depend on what Democratic Party does. Armstead Apr 2016 #152

I know what Hillary would do. The same as she did in '08. She would fully support BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #156

Did Obama supporters care about that? I never heard a peep on that issue, probably BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #155

You should ask yourself this question. randome Apr 2016 #158

Obviously not. US is an Oligarchy, not a Democracy. Triana Apr 2016 #159

Issues are for nerds, dorkwads, and geeks! QC Apr 2016 #160

They who have the gold make the rules. As demonstrated in NY. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #161

If US Land were divided like US Wealth.... bvar22 Apr 2016 #162

Income inequality is one of my top issues. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #163

Of course they care--they approve of it. That's why they support Hillary. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #167

It's cute... JSup Apr 2016 #170

Well said! And remember, disagrements do not have to result in division...they can also anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #171

I asked because I wanted answers Armstead Apr 2016 #174

I am sorry... JSup Apr 2016 #176

Thanks for this thread. vintx Apr 2016 #179

Thank you. Sparkly Apr 2016 #177

Come on man, that 's an ISSUE, they don't go any deeper than a horse race. You should know that pdsimdars Apr 2016 #183

I do, so much so Arneoker Apr 2016 #184

Of course we care Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #185

I disagree. Bill Clinton helped to create the conditions for those problems Armstead Apr 2016 #186