2016 Postmortem

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54. The spirit of the Democratic Party lives in the progressives. The "dead" parts are Third Way.

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:10 PM

Apr 2016

We've got quite a few Third Wayers here, and it always feels like talking to Republicans, because they hold Republican values and attitudes.

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Why do you mock people for wanting to vote? When did you lose what makes you a democrat? [View all] DFab420 Apr 2016 OP

These... People... Are pushing me towards considering socialism more and more. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #1

Dead like roadkill. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #5

To be expected & a long time comin'. appal_jack Apr 2016 #79

I gotta say-- I love your metaphor here. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #82

I think I heard Utah Phillips say it first... appal_jack Apr 2016 #140

I wish the IWW had the numbers that it did ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #160

At least some people get nourishment from such greiner3 Apr 2016 #187

Yep, they left me Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #13

Me too casperthegm Apr 2016 #34

I thought I never would and then the Dems ran Kissinger II. Zira Apr 2016 #87

You must have hurt someone's feelings. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #156

+1 daleanime Apr 2016 #177

We have to form a new party. There's no other way. Zira Apr 2016 #103

+1 Matariki Apr 2016 #138

A party born of the Labor movement and civil rights. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #161

Sounds like my type of party. DookDook Apr 2016 #171

So true. Nt Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #173

I'm pretty sure the Birdie image was pushed from the nest and allowed to fly free on a CC license... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #179

Wow, I had no idea. Awesome! A place to go. That's exactly what we progressives need. Zira Apr 2016 #196

Well, that's the only way the oligarchy knows to win an election. Sigh. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #197

Same here Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #130

Democracy requires informed voters. Learn the election rules so you can vote. brush Apr 2016 #25

I honestly don't give a tinker's damn about New York. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #46

What you are seeing is a party realignment nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #61

Not just in New York. It's the business of voters to get informed on how to vote. brush Apr 2016 #74

Same thing with voter I.D. laws .99center Apr 2016 #92

Huh? That makes no sense. In what state do you not have to adhere to the rules to votes? brush Apr 2016 #115

In October I visited the board of elections website rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #128

Everyone has the same .99center Apr 2016 #139

He or she got hers/his ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #163

You can't do that in many states, though. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #145

LMAO. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #149

LOL, excellent response dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #202

You can be as informed as Einstein ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #162

Is that the latest Sanders' talking point after the NY loss? brush Apr 2016 #189

That's been a general talking point since 2000. eShirl Apr 2016 #209

Yeah, but please don't hide the rules and the facts lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #97

FYI, Sanders did not field complete delegate slates in all Congressional districts in New York. brush Apr 2016 #112

That's not great - ground game is critical nt lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #122

Do you know how many Americans are 'informed' voters. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #154

Are you aware that most "Socialist" countries don't give voters ANY voice in candidate selection? brooklynite Apr 2016 #30

Explain to me how voters have a voice in candidate selection here? VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #50

Bernie Sanders is getting millions of votes...just not enough brooklynite Apr 2016 #62

Pff. Not at all. I'm not nearly delusional enough to believe that. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #65

But the fix WOULDN'T be in if more people voted for Sanders... brooklynite Apr 2016 #66

Nice try, buddy. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #70

Sanders' campaign did not think the AA voters in the southern primaries were important . . . brush Apr 2016 #133

Voters have a voice in Democratic Socialist countries! All in it together Apr 2016 #63

I live in Norway. Do you agree that that gives me some standing when it comes to DS countries? KitSileya Apr 2016 #181

I weep for the people of Western Europe who don't "get ANY voice in candidate selection." nt Gore1FL Apr 2016 #194

The spirit of the Democratic Party lives in the progressives. The "dead" parts are Third Way. senz Apr 2016 #54

Ah, but we're so often reminded about how we're not supposed to point that out VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #56

I am glad my 840high Apr 2016 #69

Good, thank goodness you have two candidates who you can vote for, in that case. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #78

Did one of them vote to authorize a conflict in which 30,000 servicemen and women were wounded VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #86

IF Bernie loses, maybe you should change to GOP and just vote for them. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #89

That's probably the second-most repugnant thing I've read here this week. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #94

And you confirm my suspicions. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #99

Fall the fuck back, civvie. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #129

Not only are you wrong but if anybody should know better Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #148

Fuckin' A, Vulgar. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #198

With Hillary or the GOP Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #165

Spoken like a white, straight protestant, male, because everybody else will see drastic Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #167

I'm a straight Jewish male and a student of history. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #172

Women be damned if they want healthcare Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #175

Bernie supports single-payer, as do I. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #183

Bernie? If Cruz is president, what do you think Bernie will have to say about it? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #185

The same question could be asked about Clinton. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #191

You can still write Bernie's name in. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #164

This is a good point. nt VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #207

Nothing wrong with that. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #158

There's a lot to be said for socialism. In fact, the writing is on the wall. If we PatrickforO Apr 2016 #178

The only reason I haven't switched my registration already is that Bernie's still in it. vintx Apr 2016 #192

When you can't win by the rules ... try to get the court to change the rules n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #2

. demmiblue Apr 2016 #14

I followed the Al Franken recount when he was fighting Norm Coleman. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #29

This election cycle has been a real eye-opener, that's for sure. demmiblue Apr 2016 #60

Because... JSup Apr 2016 #3

Seriously. Winning for a singular person is all. Embracing an MSM that plays like Fox News. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #4

I find it bizarre. n/t demmiblue Apr 2016 #6

Republicans have a long history of supressing the vote LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #174

They (the so many people) are Hillary supporters and want no new voters to vote cuz that bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #7

If they want to vote, they ought to get themselves eligible to vote. boston bean Apr 2016 #8

Hillary for literacy tests at the polls! (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #10

Pretty much. n/t demmiblue Apr 2016 #16

Really. Mike__M Apr 2016 #21

If they could grasp current events, they'd be more intelligent. floriduck Apr 2016 #28

This. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #85

I don't think you know what a literacy test is. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #93

Invalid comparison treestar Apr 2016 #146

Spoken like a true... cui bono Apr 2016 #18

I think this kinda says it all. "If they want to vote, they ought to get themselves eligible to rhett o rick Apr 2016 #26

Wow, classic Republican line. Svafa Apr 2016 #38

The laws and rules should enable, not hinder, voting. Democracy, remember? senz Apr 2016 #75

Yes! n/t Paper Roses Apr 2016 #80

Caucuses hinder voting. LisaM Apr 2016 #108

I don't like them but they're not as bad as a total shut-out. senz Apr 2016 #113

Not if you can't get to them. LisaM Apr 2016 #120

I do agree wholeheartedly that caucuses are not optimal senz Apr 2016 #143

They did not want to vote until they were inspired by an honest politician who wants what the bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #107

Sanders is running the most dishonest Democratic primary campaign for years. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #157

It ought to be the responsibility of the government to register the intent of eligible voters. Orsino Apr 2016 #205

What makes them a Democrat? They were Republicans whose party went cuckoo-for-coco-puffs. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #9

This...... I would bet that Puglover Apr 2016 #170

they are free to vote in the General Election hill2016 Apr 2016 #11

WTH? The GE is democratic but the primary isn't? senz Apr 2016 #83

You really can't see the difference ? treestar Apr 2016 #144

Careful. You may be making too much... YvonneCa Apr 2016 #141

because this only arose when Bernie needed an excuse for losing NY nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #12

The Progressives have long fought voter fraud and disenfranchizement. It's only been rhett o rick Apr 2016 #52

I've always been for voting participation. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #195

Democracy is whatever the bosses say it is. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #15

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #166

It's their authoritarianism and elitism showing. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #17

yes yes yes nt grasswire Apr 2016 #36

I don't mock... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #19

The only acceptable answer is that easier voting is better. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #90

Funny, Bernie said today NY is "wrong", but never said that about caucuses. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #95

I don't care what you claim Bernie says. We should make voting easier. Full stop. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #100

It is easy, provided you register. Took me two minutes. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #90

Good luck with that attitude when you need us for the GE. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #168

My momma said Independents are the debil nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #20

There are some who place Democratic Party tribalism above doing what's right. Maedhros Apr 2016 #22

This. ^^^^^^^^ angrychair Apr 2016 #41

And yet, they'll be perplexed and outraged when the people they're disenfranchising winter is coming Apr 2016 #59

.+1 840high Apr 2016 #72

Straw man Dem2 Apr 2016 #23

People that do that are terrible Marrah_G Apr 2016 #24

Who is mocking people for wanting to vote? blm Apr 2016 #27

I thinik the mockery is for the continued conspiracy-theory mongering. brooklynite Apr 2016 #37

I can only imagine they are on your ignore list. DFab420 Apr 2016 #40

heh…in all my years here I never put anyone on ignore. blm Apr 2016 #43

I never thought I'd see people in DU celebrating voter suppression, myrna minx Apr 2016 #31

When the DLC welcomed Reagan Republicans into the party... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #55

yes, why side with right-wingers who want to restrict the vote? grasswire Apr 2016 #32

Because these are not decent people. They are not good people. FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #33

The Democratic Party is your "true enemy?" IamMab Apr 2016 #44

Why do you want to vote in an organization of which you are not a member? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #35

How are the costs of the primaries and caucuses paid, especially in New York? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #51

Do your own research anigbrowl Apr 2016 #64

Inconvenient answer? He has a good point. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #96

I disagree, but in any case it's not my job to make his point for him anigbrowl Apr 2016 #105

So you admit that I have an argument. Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #114

march 25th was the deadline for new voters to register and declare a party questionseverything Apr 2016 #88

What of it? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #98

you presented false data, i corrected it questionseverything Apr 2016 #110

Untrue anigbrowl Apr 2016 #118

at least you admit the plan is to keep the great unwashed from voting questionseverything Apr 2016 #121

No I don't anigbrowl Apr 2016 #127

too bad the election officials do not seem to be ready questionseverything Apr 2016 #188

New York regularly lands in the bottom five States for voter turnout. The lowest of all blue States Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #124

"Acting all happy about that makes you look sort of right wing." anigbrowl Apr 2016 #134

Your Constitutionally-protected right to vote takes place in November. IamMab Apr 2016 #39

But the right to vote should be universal and for all. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #47

You DO get to choose which primary you vote in. Just not "whenever the fuck you want." IamMab Apr 2016 #58

NY has big problems with low turnout. It's shameful, they look like a bunch of rubes.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #119

You ARE able to choose which primary you want to vote in anigbrowl Apr 2016 #76

From the NYC Campaign Finance Board--New York State Near Bottom in Voter Turnout Rankings Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #116

Correlation is not causation anigbrowl Apr 2016 #125

And I did not say what you claim. I am citing NY elections activists and statistical facts. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #131

Yeah that's bullshit anigbrowl Apr 2016 #137

Thank you! Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #206

The irony about New York and the lawsuit brought by the disenfranchised New Yorkers who want JDPriestly Apr 2016 #42

Well, if one was to take a dystopian view, bjo59 Apr 2016 #45

Sadly, you may actually be right. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #182

Do Independants get a tax refund since their taxes help pay for this primary election? n/t ieoeja Apr 2016 #48

Right wingers always seem to think the less people voting the better the chance m-lekktor Apr 2016 #49

anything for the queen azurnoir Apr 2016 #53

No, ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #184

Democratic party only.......thanks. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #57

If Dems are the "Big Tent" party - let them prove it. demwing Apr 2016 #67

Many "so called Democrats" are actually not Democrat, they don't have Democratic Value. kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #68

Nice use a ridiculous logical fallacy to now attack Democrats Dem2 Apr 2016 #71

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "Democratic Value"? n/t Contrary1 Apr 2016 #132

I don't know but I've been on this site 1 month and seen enough. Zira Apr 2016 #73

Take a breath. It will get better. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #77

Kick all lying Republicans in disguise! kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #81

We need to stop buying, stop participating and start planning TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #84

When did you stop beating your wife? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #101

I can tell you why - people act more aggressively and rudely in crowds. hollysmom Apr 2016 #102

BOOM! merrily Apr 2016 #106

NY has shitty, shitty low turnout year after year due to a variety of shameful voter restrictions Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #111

Most of the mocking is directed at Independents who think they can vote in anyone's primary. randome Apr 2016 #117

If taxes pay for it they should be e allowed a vote or a refund SwampG8r Apr 2016 #147

Taxes pay for any and every political party. That seems fair to me. randome Apr 2016 #169

Winning is all that matters Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #123

These are the DEMOCRATIC PARTY primaries. Registered Democrats should ONLY have the right to BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #126

Whenever I want to vote in a Democratic primary, MineralMan Apr 2016 #135

Me, too... YvonneCa Apr 2016 #142

No, you don't. You live in Minnesota. We don't register by party here. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #152

I've lived in Minnesota for 12 years. The rest of my quite long adult MineralMan Apr 2016 #155

Your voter registration doesn't say D or R Mnpaul Apr 2016 #199

I remember lots of posts before NY closed its registration WhiteTara Apr 2016 #136

why do you twist what people are saying - I have yet to see anyone mocking someone DrDan Apr 2016 #150

Same reason why the GOP likes restrictive voter ID laws: The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #151

People are not being mocked for wanting to vote ... salinsky Apr 2016 #153

People want to vote as Independents. They actively chose to be Independents. They did so Squinch Apr 2016 #159

Democrats do not need Independents, At This Point, they will let you know when you are needed! slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #176

Some Hillary supporters have gone full-Repub. Broward Apr 2016 #180

THIS vintx Apr 2016 #193

They are probably Reagan Republicans,... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #186

Eugene McCarthy wouldn't be pure enough for this new generation of anti-realism. Sparkly Apr 2016 #190

Always Be Scolding BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #200

The fact is, only a fraction of eligible voters cast a vote in last night's election. Vinca Apr 2016 #201

If you want to vote in the Democratic primary, register as a Democrat oberliner Apr 2016 #203

I haven't mocked anybody... Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #204

If people vote a woman might not be nominated. MadDAsHell Apr 2016 #208