2016 Postmortem

pangaia

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81. I am with you 100%.

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:01 PM

Apr 2016

I just realized that I too could vote for Stein if for no other reason that I live in upstate NY in a conservative district. :&gt

) I didn't know about her until recently.

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Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all] RiverLover Apr 2016 OP

7-7 is a tie. Ties happen. stone space Apr 2016 #1

Even ties that aren't..... daleanime Apr 2016 #3

Ties in raw numbers that effect the delegate count are decided by coin tosses here in Iowa. stone space Apr 2016 #11

What a victory for democracy.... daleanime Apr 2016 #77

The Iowa Democratic Caucus is an exercise in Democracy. stone space Apr 2016 #78

Do you understand the premise of the post? pangaia Apr 2016 #55

I'm not talking about supers. Including supers is like including poll results. stone space Apr 2016 #56

That is also my point. pangaia Apr 2016 #58

The "margin" in a 7-7 delegate allocation is 0. stone space Apr 2016 #60

sure there is - because of established rules DrDan Apr 2016 #64

That is STILL my point. The rules are made by those who do not want pangaia Apr 2016 #65

were the rules different for Obama?, for Kerry?, for Gore?, for WJC? DrDan Apr 2016 #67

I have always felt it was wrong. pangaia Apr 2016 #147

Aren't super delegates elected officials? oberliner Apr 2016 #119

Some super delegates are LOBBYISTS! Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #121

That is not true oberliner Apr 2016 #130

It is very true unfortunately Dragonfli Apr 2016 #139

Thank you for the help oberliner Apr 2016 #148

Your welcome, I only learned of it myself a couple months ago and at first thought "no way" Dragonfli Apr 2016 #149

Agreed on all points oberliner Apr 2016 #150

I am going to book mark this thread, in order to remind me to work with you on this after the GE Dragonfli Apr 2016 #151

Sounds good oberliner Apr 2016 #158

I see the list and I see that Howard Dean Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #155

I've been corrected above oberliner Apr 2016 #157

No! Rigged ties happen! bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #126

Bernie Sanders campaign are shitty organizers Trenzalore Apr 2016 #2

What are you talking about? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #7

Bernie's team didn't use the surrogate ballots Trenzalore Apr 2016 #10

how do you know they didn't use surrogate ballots? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #14

They certainly didn't use them as effectively as Hillary's campaign did. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #15

Second place =/= total failure hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #120

He won by 12%. That is NOT an effective (enough) use of surrogates. PotatoChip Apr 2016 #142

Very well said. RiverLover Apr 2016 #143

Thanks RiverLover! (nt) PotatoChip Apr 2016 #144

That's because Bernie is not a corrupt power broker fueled by personal ambition and greed, Maedhros Apr 2016 #153

Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to RiverLover Apr 2016 #16

Agreed. Ask your neighbors if they can get to the polls and if not get them an absentee ballot Henhouse Apr 2016 #9

That's a despicable attitude. Maedhros Apr 2016 #152

Sanders got the hell out of New York as soon as he had a chance. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4

And he never moved back there to try to improve or livetohike Apr 2016 #13

And Hillary has spent her life in Arkansas, or is it Illinois? One never knows with her. pangaia Apr 2016 #61

Why didn't Hillary move back to arkansas TheFarseer Apr 2016 #68

Just like Bobby Kennedy Buzz cook Apr 2016 #92

And Hillary moved here solely for the purpose of running for the Senate seat . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #66

she did a very good job looking after her constituents, and made sure to spend geek tragedy Apr 2016 #75

She did exactly what Bobby Kennedy did. okasha Apr 2016 #86

I'm wondering why primaries are held in the first place. Vinca Apr 2016 #5

They sure did. /nt RiverLover Apr 2016 #6

So should the candidate be chosen by amount of supporters at ad hoc rallies? LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #17

The super delegates are a problem. Vinca Apr 2016 #39

Any SD who's an elected official that votes against their state's popular vote... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #43

I get a Vermont newspaper even though I live in NH, and there have been some very Vinca Apr 2016 #49

Good. Time to primary those SDs. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #51

So eliminate the Superdelegates, change the Caucuses to Primaries LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #62

That would work for me, even if my chosen candidate loses. Vinca Apr 2016 #70

I think that change could be a significant point of consensus. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #93

Talk to Tad, he was an engineer of the SDs. WhiteTara Apr 2016 #108

How do you figure that? mythology Apr 2016 #35

If we're going to have races based on the popular vote, that's what should be counted. Vinca Apr 2016 #41

It is an outrage that the Republicans are suppressing the vote SharonClark Apr 2016 #113

Here is how the game is rigged. Vinca Apr 2016 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #8

Of course they do, his nomination would be a free gift to the GOP nt anigbrowl Apr 2016 #89

Feel the Whine Renew Deal Apr 2016 #12

the cruel joke will happen in nov restorefreedom Apr 2016 #18

FYI: chervilant Apr 2016 #28

thanks. its amazing how a comment can be pretzeled into what restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32

It's almost as pretzeled as your contention that Clinton is cheating mythology Apr 2016 #42

iowa, ma, arizona, nevada, and now wyoming. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #71

Aw. You're bitter. grossproffit Apr 2016 #31

i am betting a while lot of hillary supporters restorefreedom Apr 2016 #33

There'll be hippie punching like never before seen! TransitJohn Apr 2016 #36

Oh, believe you me, I'll enjoy coming back here on the 9th to rub their noses in it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #40

Where you've been nothing but nice to Clinton supporters? mythology Apr 2016 #46

and their awful candidate. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #72

If voters do not turn out, it's their fault. LonePirate Apr 2016 #80

Right, I meant "not turn out for her." eom TransitJohn Apr 2016 #84

I understand your feeling but... pangaia Apr 2016 #57

then bernie better win the primary restorefreedom Apr 2016 #74

I am with you 100%. pangaia Apr 2016 #81

yeah those of us not in swing areas restorefreedom Apr 2016 #83

Free Republic is over that way >>>> anigbrowl Apr 2016 #90

lol nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #91

Looking forward to a Trump presidency? What a rat-fucky thing to say. WOW. bettyellen Apr 2016 #94

nice try. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #99

Didn't Trump say the exact same thing about Mississippi? RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #19

Heavens! Who would've guessed that when only real registered Democrats Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20

. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #22

Yes? Where's the "runaway" landslide à la NE, UT, WA, etc. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #24

This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25

Mold-breaking year...in all respects. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #26

And a .02 margin Bettie Apr 2016 #128

I haven't believe me. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #131

I just remember being castigated Bettie Apr 2016 #132

I read an interesting article this am about the consequences of Lesser Evil voting RiverLover Apr 2016 #134

Wow Bettie Apr 2016 #135

My pleasure. RiverLover Apr 2016 #140

First of all, hello to my favorite river enthusiast and dragonfly lover! Second, great article Dragonfli Apr 2016 #138

Excellent post & link, Dragonfli! Thanks!! RiverLover Apr 2016 #141

I assume like myself, you have seen several election cycles, since well before the internet age Dragonfli Apr 2016 #136

Exactly what I've been thinking Bettie Apr 2016 #137

I don't like caucuses, but it's what some states prefer. The rules were set long ago, so it's not Hoyt Apr 2016 #21

But, but...tinfoil hats feel SO good. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23

So let me see if I understand thew Camp Sanders narrative Tarc Apr 2016 #27

The problem as I see it... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #29

Actually you don't understand, at least #!. kiva Apr 2016 #103

The fact that you carp about "the next level" shows how little Camp Sanders cares about democracy Tarc Apr 2016 #109

I don't think 'carp' means what you think it means. kiva Apr 2016 #111

It means bitch and moan, or whine, or bellyache, or throw a hissy fit, etc... Tarc Apr 2016 #115

Take it up with the Democratic Party. kiva Apr 2016 #117

"Take it up with the Democratic Party" Tarc Apr 2016 #125

And the next time Hillary supporters complain kiva Apr 2016 #145

Yep, Netflix & chill isn't a job Tarc Apr 2016 #146

nailed it uponit7771 Apr 2016 #124

Did he know the party's rules when he decided to latch onto the Democratic Party Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #30

Nye, many of Senator Sanders new, young registered saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #34

WY superdelegates violating the will of the voters. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #37

Expensive, but Deb sure knows how to put on a good show. Octafish Apr 2016 #45

Yep. Sham democracy from sham Democrats. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #47

Thank goodness for the Internet. Octafish Apr 2016 #52

"cruel joke" bigtree Apr 2016 #38

Well, cons will be cons. RiverLover Apr 2016 #44

Sanders should have formed his own party and run KingFlorez Apr 2016 #48

Yup. RiverLover Apr 2016 #54

If Sanders does manage to get more pledged delegates than Clinton and still ends up Marr Apr 2016 #50

If that happens, might as well hold Trump's inauguration immediately. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #53

Caucus vs. primary CBHagman Apr 2016 #59

so the results were rigged because rules were followed - got it DrDan Apr 2016 #63

... SidDithers Apr 2016 #69

Nice of you to quote from Murdoch's NY Post. Beacool Apr 2016 #73

He was Gored by the system Blue Owl Apr 2016 #76

Rigged IS Right. Octafish Apr 2016 #79

Caucuses are undemocratic, not "rigged". LisaM Apr 2016 #82

Do you not see how you're being manipulated? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #85

Even when people explain the facts, the CT theories persist. It is embarrassing. bettyellen Apr 2016 #95

BS. Its the other way around. ie SALON- "10 Ways the Dem Primary Has Been Rigged from the Start" RiverLover Apr 2016 #106

LOL Salon anigbrowl Apr 2016 #159

This ^^^ treestar Apr 2016 #129

It's called...math? Tarc Apr 2016 #87

Maybe others can say this is just politics. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #88

People were cool with the system 8 yrs ago, when it worked for Obama. I do not do hypocrisy. seabeyond Apr 2016 #96

And if Hillary wins this rigged process, they expect us to vote for her BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #97

Not really, no anigbrowl Apr 2016 #98

I know several states will have marijuana initiatives on their ballots. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #101

I wouldn't be too optimistic anigbrowl Apr 2016 #104

You keep telling yourself that. Most Bernie supporters here are lifelong Dems, like me. RiverLover Apr 2016 #102

OK, but so what? DU isn't representative of the general population anigbrowl Apr 2016 #107

+1 Marr Apr 2016 #122

I expect absolutely nothing from you. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #110

If seh manages to steal the Nom Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #100

She will lose the general and if not, our congress will grow even more horrid. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #114

Indeed. We are learning fast aren't we?! Let's use our infusion of energy from this to tear the haikugal Apr 2016 #105

It's not rigged, that is how caucuses work SharonClark Apr 2016 #112

Post #67 wyldwolf Apr 2016 #116

Will you be having a red or white whine with your cheese? brooklynite Apr 2016 #118

And DWS says the supers are to make sure there is no grassroots.........peoples vote do not count bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #127

I don't understand this, but I think caucuses are undemocratic. alarimer Apr 2016 #133

Rigged, shmigged...those are the rules. Don't like it? Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #154

Sanders cheerleaders like the rules when it allows them to get more delegates in Nevada SFnomad Apr 2016 #156