2016 Postmortem

saidsimplesimon

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34. Nye, many of Senator Sanders new, young registered

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:11 AM

Apr 2016

supporters are participating in their first rodeo. Do we want to encourage them to become cynical, to get in line, to follow the rules? Do we want to build a Democratic Party for and of the future that will shatter the Republican Party for decades? Rules can be changed, lines redrawn and working for these goals can bring joy to a fight that is against the odds.

As always, just by opinion.

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Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all] RiverLover Apr 2016 OP

7-7 is a tie. Ties happen. stone space Apr 2016 #1

Even ties that aren't..... daleanime Apr 2016 #3

Ties in raw numbers that effect the delegate count are decided by coin tosses here in Iowa. stone space Apr 2016 #11

What a victory for democracy.... daleanime Apr 2016 #77

The Iowa Democratic Caucus is an exercise in Democracy. stone space Apr 2016 #78

Do you understand the premise of the post? pangaia Apr 2016 #55

I'm not talking about supers. Including supers is like including poll results. stone space Apr 2016 #56

That is also my point. pangaia Apr 2016 #58

The "margin" in a 7-7 delegate allocation is 0. stone space Apr 2016 #60

sure there is - because of established rules DrDan Apr 2016 #64

That is STILL my point. The rules are made by those who do not want pangaia Apr 2016 #65

were the rules different for Obama?, for Kerry?, for Gore?, for WJC? DrDan Apr 2016 #67

I have always felt it was wrong. pangaia Apr 2016 #147

Aren't super delegates elected officials? oberliner Apr 2016 #119

Some super delegates are LOBBYISTS! Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #121

That is not true oberliner Apr 2016 #130

It is very true unfortunately Dragonfli Apr 2016 #139

Thank you for the help oberliner Apr 2016 #148

Your welcome, I only learned of it myself a couple months ago and at first thought "no way" Dragonfli Apr 2016 #149

Agreed on all points oberliner Apr 2016 #150

I am going to book mark this thread, in order to remind me to work with you on this after the GE Dragonfli Apr 2016 #151

Sounds good oberliner Apr 2016 #158

I see the list and I see that Howard Dean Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #155

I've been corrected above oberliner Apr 2016 #157

No! Rigged ties happen! bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #126

Bernie Sanders campaign are shitty organizers Trenzalore Apr 2016 #2

What are you talking about? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #7

Bernie's team didn't use the surrogate ballots Trenzalore Apr 2016 #10

how do you know they didn't use surrogate ballots? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #14

They certainly didn't use them as effectively as Hillary's campaign did. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #15

Second place =/= total failure hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #120

He won by 12%. That is NOT an effective (enough) use of surrogates. PotatoChip Apr 2016 #142

Very well said. RiverLover Apr 2016 #143

Thanks RiverLover! (nt) PotatoChip Apr 2016 #144

That's because Bernie is not a corrupt power broker fueled by personal ambition and greed, Maedhros Apr 2016 #153

Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to RiverLover Apr 2016 #16

Agreed. Ask your neighbors if they can get to the polls and if not get them an absentee ballot Henhouse Apr 2016 #9

That's a despicable attitude. Maedhros Apr 2016 #152

Sanders got the hell out of New York as soon as he had a chance. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4

And he never moved back there to try to improve or livetohike Apr 2016 #13

And Hillary has spent her life in Arkansas, or is it Illinois? One never knows with her. pangaia Apr 2016 #61

Why didn't Hillary move back to arkansas TheFarseer Apr 2016 #68

Just like Bobby Kennedy Buzz cook Apr 2016 #92

And Hillary moved here solely for the purpose of running for the Senate seat . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #66

she did a very good job looking after her constituents, and made sure to spend geek tragedy Apr 2016 #75

She did exactly what Bobby Kennedy did. okasha Apr 2016 #86

I'm wondering why primaries are held in the first place. Vinca Apr 2016 #5

They sure did. /nt RiverLover Apr 2016 #6

So should the candidate be chosen by amount of supporters at ad hoc rallies? LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #17

The super delegates are a problem. Vinca Apr 2016 #39

Any SD who's an elected official that votes against their state's popular vote... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #43

I get a Vermont newspaper even though I live in NH, and there have been some very Vinca Apr 2016 #49

Good. Time to primary those SDs. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #51

So eliminate the Superdelegates, change the Caucuses to Primaries LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #62

That would work for me, even if my chosen candidate loses. Vinca Apr 2016 #70

I think that change could be a significant point of consensus. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #93

Talk to Tad, he was an engineer of the SDs. WhiteTara Apr 2016 #108

How do you figure that? mythology Apr 2016 #35

If we're going to have races based on the popular vote, that's what should be counted. Vinca Apr 2016 #41

It is an outrage that the Republicans are suppressing the vote SharonClark Apr 2016 #113

Here is how the game is rigged. Vinca Apr 2016 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #8

Of course they do, his nomination would be a free gift to the GOP nt anigbrowl Apr 2016 #89

Feel the Whine Renew Deal Apr 2016 #12

the cruel joke will happen in nov restorefreedom Apr 2016 #18

FYI: chervilant Apr 2016 #28

thanks. its amazing how a comment can be pretzeled into what restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32

It's almost as pretzeled as your contention that Clinton is cheating mythology Apr 2016 #42

iowa, ma, arizona, nevada, and now wyoming. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #71

Aw. You're bitter. grossproffit Apr 2016 #31

i am betting a while lot of hillary supporters restorefreedom Apr 2016 #33

There'll be hippie punching like never before seen! TransitJohn Apr 2016 #36

Oh, believe you me, I'll enjoy coming back here on the 9th to rub their noses in it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #40

Where you've been nothing but nice to Clinton supporters? mythology Apr 2016 #46

and their awful candidate. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #72

If voters do not turn out, it's their fault. LonePirate Apr 2016 #80

Right, I meant "not turn out for her." eom TransitJohn Apr 2016 #84

I understand your feeling but... pangaia Apr 2016 #57

then bernie better win the primary restorefreedom Apr 2016 #74

I am with you 100%. pangaia Apr 2016 #81

yeah those of us not in swing areas restorefreedom Apr 2016 #83

Free Republic is over that way >>>> anigbrowl Apr 2016 #90

lol nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #91

Looking forward to a Trump presidency? What a rat-fucky thing to say. WOW. bettyellen Apr 2016 #94

nice try. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #99

Didn't Trump say the exact same thing about Mississippi? RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #19

Heavens! Who would've guessed that when only real registered Democrats Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20

. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #22

Yes? Where's the "runaway" landslide à la NE, UT, WA, etc. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #24

This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25

Mold-breaking year...in all respects. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #26

And a .02 margin Bettie Apr 2016 #128

I haven't believe me. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #131

I just remember being castigated Bettie Apr 2016 #132

I read an interesting article this am about the consequences of Lesser Evil voting RiverLover Apr 2016 #134

Wow Bettie Apr 2016 #135

My pleasure. RiverLover Apr 2016 #140

First of all, hello to my favorite river enthusiast and dragonfly lover! Second, great article Dragonfli Apr 2016 #138

Excellent post & link, Dragonfli! Thanks!! RiverLover Apr 2016 #141

I assume like myself, you have seen several election cycles, since well before the internet age Dragonfli Apr 2016 #136

Exactly what I've been thinking Bettie Apr 2016 #137

I don't like caucuses, but it's what some states prefer. The rules were set long ago, so it's not Hoyt Apr 2016 #21

But, but...tinfoil hats feel SO good. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23

So let me see if I understand thew Camp Sanders narrative Tarc Apr 2016 #27

The problem as I see it... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #29

Actually you don't understand, at least #!. kiva Apr 2016 #103

The fact that you carp about "the next level" shows how little Camp Sanders cares about democracy Tarc Apr 2016 #109

I don't think 'carp' means what you think it means. kiva Apr 2016 #111

It means bitch and moan, or whine, or bellyache, or throw a hissy fit, etc... Tarc Apr 2016 #115

Take it up with the Democratic Party. kiva Apr 2016 #117

"Take it up with the Democratic Party" Tarc Apr 2016 #125

And the next time Hillary supporters complain kiva Apr 2016 #145

Yep, Netflix & chill isn't a job Tarc Apr 2016 #146

nailed it uponit7771 Apr 2016 #124

Did he know the party's rules when he decided to latch onto the Democratic Party Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #30

Nye, many of Senator Sanders new, young registered saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #34

WY superdelegates violating the will of the voters. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #37

Expensive, but Deb sure knows how to put on a good show. Octafish Apr 2016 #45

Yep. Sham democracy from sham Democrats. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #47

Thank goodness for the Internet. Octafish Apr 2016 #52

"cruel joke" bigtree Apr 2016 #38

Well, cons will be cons. RiverLover Apr 2016 #44

Sanders should have formed his own party and run KingFlorez Apr 2016 #48

Yup. RiverLover Apr 2016 #54

If Sanders does manage to get more pledged delegates than Clinton and still ends up Marr Apr 2016 #50

If that happens, might as well hold Trump's inauguration immediately. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #53

Caucus vs. primary CBHagman Apr 2016 #59

so the results were rigged because rules were followed - got it DrDan Apr 2016 #63

... SidDithers Apr 2016 #69

Nice of you to quote from Murdoch's NY Post. Beacool Apr 2016 #73

He was Gored by the system Blue Owl Apr 2016 #76

Rigged IS Right. Octafish Apr 2016 #79

Caucuses are undemocratic, not "rigged". LisaM Apr 2016 #82

Do you not see how you're being manipulated? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #85

Even when people explain the facts, the CT theories persist. It is embarrassing. bettyellen Apr 2016 #95

BS. Its the other way around. ie SALON- "10 Ways the Dem Primary Has Been Rigged from the Start" RiverLover Apr 2016 #106

LOL Salon anigbrowl Apr 2016 #159

This ^^^ treestar Apr 2016 #129

It's called...math? Tarc Apr 2016 #87

Maybe others can say this is just politics. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #88

People were cool with the system 8 yrs ago, when it worked for Obama. I do not do hypocrisy. seabeyond Apr 2016 #96

And if Hillary wins this rigged process, they expect us to vote for her BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #97

Not really, no anigbrowl Apr 2016 #98

I know several states will have marijuana initiatives on their ballots. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #101

I wouldn't be too optimistic anigbrowl Apr 2016 #104

You keep telling yourself that. Most Bernie supporters here are lifelong Dems, like me. RiverLover Apr 2016 #102

OK, but so what? DU isn't representative of the general population anigbrowl Apr 2016 #107

+1 Marr Apr 2016 #122

I expect absolutely nothing from you. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #110

If seh manages to steal the Nom Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #100

She will lose the general and if not, our congress will grow even more horrid. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #114

Indeed. We are learning fast aren't we?! Let's use our infusion of energy from this to tear the haikugal Apr 2016 #105

It's not rigged, that is how caucuses work SharonClark Apr 2016 #112

Post #67 wyldwolf Apr 2016 #116

Will you be having a red or white whine with your cheese? brooklynite Apr 2016 #118

And DWS says the supers are to make sure there is no grassroots.........peoples vote do not count bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #127

I don't understand this, but I think caucuses are undemocratic. alarimer Apr 2016 #133

Rigged, shmigged...those are the rules. Don't like it? Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #154

Sanders cheerleaders like the rules when it allows them to get more delegates in Nevada SFnomad Apr 2016 #156