The truth hurts (Reply #9) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Manager Just Blamed Hillary For ISIS [View all]

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:26 PM

Armstead (47,803 posts)

9. The truth hurts

She supported a war that created the conditions that led to ISIS.

She was secretary of state during the time that the tensions within Iraq fueled the growth of Isis

She pushed for the destabilization of Libya, which has created conditions favorable to ISIS and Islamic extremism in that country

These are not just arguments Jeff Weaver plucked out of thin air today

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Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Manager Just Blamed Hillary For ISIS [View all]	MADem	Apr 2016	OP
The Iraq war invasion gave rise to ISIS, she voted for and supported the war.	morningfog	Apr 2016	#1
Yeah, she did that all by herself and took great delight in doing so....more lies	Jitter65	Apr 2016	#38
How did it go? "We came, we saw, he died! Hahahahahaha!"	kristopher	Apr 2016	#60
Nope	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#72
No one said she did it by herself.	morningfog	Apr 2016	#92
+10,000 nt	Live and Learn	Apr 2016	#96
Yeah! Calling out corrupt politicians like Hillary must mean he's an idiot! nt	revbones	Apr 2016	#2
And?	NWCorona	Apr 2016	#3
So she didn't push for Libya's overthrow?	SHRED	Apr 2016	#4
You realize...	Else You Are Mad	Apr 2016	#5
So in Bernieworld Bush is free of any blame	CorkySt.Clair	Apr 2016	#11
I never said that.	Else You Are Mad	Apr 2016	#12
Bush forced Hillary	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#26
And Bernie's vote that set Porgie up to ask for the moon doesn't count, either.	MADem	Apr 2016	#87
Who the fuck said Bush is free of blame.?? WHO !!	pangaia	Apr 2016	#130
SHE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR IT!	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2016	#138
They lied to Bernie too	beedle	Apr 2016	#71
What's his Free Republic username? nt	onehandle	Apr 2016	#6
Something to do with comic books, no doubt!	MADem	Apr 2016	#20
Hillary's war on Libya brought ISIS to North Africa. Here war also...	4139	Apr 2016	#7
..............	MADem	Apr 2016	#45
Interesting article	leftynyc	Apr 2016	#142
She voted for the IWR	ibegurpard	Apr 2016	#8
And what did Bernie vote for?	MADem	Apr 2016	#17
The truth hurts	Armstead	Apr 2016	#9
Cough.	MADem	Apr 2016	#16
Cough you're using Counterpunch as a source? And by a Whitewater exposer?	Armstead	Apr 2016	#27
Oh, let's whine about the SOURCE and ignore the FACTS presented--by someone to Berrrnie's left.	MADem	Apr 2016	#48
You are trying yourself up in pretzels.	Armstead	Apr 2016	#58
LOL -- and you are "trying yourself up" way too hard!!!	MADem	Apr 2016	#68
I'm not real fond of Jeff Weaver	Armstead	Apr 2016	#121
They're joined at the hip. Jeffy has RUINED Bernie. And I think he's pushed him over a cliff with	MADem	Apr 2016	#123
It's an accurate statement of the truth about her.	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#10
Oh please--your hatred blinds you. Not even The Donald buys off on that Big Honking Lie.	MADem	Apr 2016	#13
What's going on with that article? He didn't vote for the aumf.	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#47
Yes, he did. If Osama had been in Lebanon, his vote would have allowed Bush to invade there.	MADem	Apr 2016	#51
I'm sorry, I was thinking of the Iraq War Resolution, which is actually worse.	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#59
One paved the way for the other--no one has clean hands here.	MADem	Apr 2016	#63
The IWR is all that matters.	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#91
Excuse me? I think you've got that ENTIRELY backwards. """End of discussion."""	MADem	Apr 2016	#97
One of them voted for a war based on lies. That's all I'm trying to say.	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#103
LOL--you do realize the AUMF continues to be used to this day to justify war?	MADem	Apr 2016	#125
You're typing a storm without saying anything. What are you talking about?	Gregorian	Apr 2016	#145
so does the NY Times	amborin	Apr 2016	#14
He's spot on and should repeat it over and over.	Broward	Apr 2016	#15
I hope he does. RELENTLESSLY!!!	MADem	Apr 2016	#32
He should keep telling the truth.	Broward	Apr 2016	#53
Yeah, go TEAM!!! Slash and Bern! Tear down the Democratic Party!!!	MADem	Apr 2016	#57
He's just pointing out the consequences of the disastrous war that Hillary voted for.	Broward	Apr 2016	#65
LOL....you see what you want to see! He's not "just" doing that.	MADem	Apr 2016	#66
I see that you trust someone who voted for the Iraq War, but not someone that's pointing	Broward	Apr 2016	#67
And you trust someone who gave Bush the authority to chase Osama anywhere.	MADem	Apr 2016	#79
LOL is right. You've laughably exposed yourself.	Broward	Apr 2016	#82
No--just saying silly things doesn't make them so.	MADem	Apr 2016	#84
Hillary's attack has backfired. Now she is running scared and they are pressing the attack.	Motown_Johnny	Apr 2016	#18
LOL! That sound you hear is the death rattle of the Sanders campaign.	MADem	Apr 2016	#23
Delusional much????	Beacool	Apr 2016	#77
Then explain why she is walking it back	Motown_Johnny	Apr 2016	#83
Take what back????	Beacool	Apr 2016	#88
This.	Motown_Johnny	Apr 2016	#93
LOL!!	MADem	Apr 2016	#100
That's inadvertently true.	Vinca	Apr 2016	#19
Oh, but who predated her with a carte blanche vote?	MADem	Apr 2016	#22
Bernie said no to the vote that counted and the bombs dropped soon after.	Vinca	Apr 2016	#24
He said YES to the vote that made it easy for Bush to wage war.	MADem	Apr 2016	#25
So after a war begins he should vote to not supply the troops?	Vinca	Apr 2016	#31
Thanks so much for making it clear to everyone that you don't understand what a	MADem	Apr 2016	#41
fire him, Bernie!	bigtree	Apr 2016	#21
Fire him, he is correct.	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#29
I like this fellow's term for you folks cheering this kind of tripe	bigtree	Apr 2016	#35
We will	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#36
The fun part is how excited they got when they thought they finally had a good smear.	Marr	Apr 2016	#50
2.4 million-plus more votes for Hillary	bigtree	Apr 2016	#61
he will only win his home state	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#64
2.4 million-plus more votes for Hillary	bigtree	Apr 2016	#69
Yes, because you can't see a huge momentum shift	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#70
Hillary will likely net more votes from Puerto Rico	bigtree	Apr 2016	#73
We shall see.	timmymoff	Apr 2016	#76
bless his over botoxed little head.	Sheepshank	Apr 2016	#28
No, sorry, but that's true. That is a TRUE statement. Our policies in the mid east	PatrickforO	Apr 2016	#30
......	MADem	Apr 2016	#34
The Iraq War did give rise to ISIS but, with all due respect,	Blue Meany	Apr 2016	#33
The only people who believe this honking load of bullshit are kool-aid drinkers who have	MADem	Apr 2016	#39
K&R	betsuni	Apr 2016	#37
Here's the deal for the people who don't understand...	Bohemianwriter	Apr 2016	#40
......	MADem	Apr 2016	#44
Nice try but no cigar....	Bohemianwriter	Apr 2016	#46
this is so stupid, i'm sorry	Enrique	Apr 2016	#42
Well a lot of people here including me made that connection months ago.	Kalidurga	Apr 2016	#43
So you are ADMITTING that you're going beyond even Donald Trump!!	MADem	Apr 2016	#54
I guess you don't really want to talk about Hillary destabilizing the Middle East even further...	Kalidurga	Apr 2016	#56
That foreign policy has led to the rise and expansion of ISIS. lol. nt	RedCappedBandit	Apr 2016	#49
....	MADem	Apr 2016	#52
Was that meant to refute the excerpt in question?	RedCappedBandit	Apr 2016	#80
If voting for war is somehow the equivalent of "creating ISIS," it's fair to ask "Who did it first?"	MADem	Apr 2016	#81
Not sure who you're quoting, but the truth is clear	RedCappedBandit	Apr 2016	#85
Mmmmm hmmmm!	MADem	Apr 2016	#86
Glad we agree.	RedCappedBandit	Apr 2016	#89
If you agree that Sanders voted for war first, and multiple times, too,	MADem	Apr 2016	#90
ISIS exists because of foreign policy like her	jfern	Apr 2016	#55
It does exist because of neocon policies and she is a neocon	dr60omg	Apr 2016	#62
IWR (nt)	bigwillq	Apr 2016	#74
From the NY Times on Hillary's war...	Luminous Animal	Apr 2016	#75
You're not proving your point.	MADem	Apr 2016	#78
She supported/supports the policies	AgingAmerican	Apr 2016	#94
Even Donald Trump doesn't make that claim~!	MADem	Apr 2016	#95
Donald can't think that far ahead.	Fuddnik	Apr 2016	#129
She is partly responsible for ISIS.	Live and Learn	Apr 2016	#98
...	MADem	Apr 2016	#99
Actually, many of us said it long before Bernie. nt	Live and Learn	Apr 2016	#114
Please KEEP saying it--you have no idea how much you're helping!	MADem	Apr 2016	#115
Nothing wrong with saying it, most people acknowledge it as truth. nt	Live and Learn	Apr 2016	#118
You spread that far and wide now!	MADem	Apr 2016	#120
That sticks. It's about judgement. She's hawkish. I don't want more wars.	snowy owl	Apr 2016	#101
Well, you do know that BERNIE's AUMF vote is STILL BEING USED to justify war, don't you?	MADem	Apr 2016	#122
It would be nice if you people could see shades of gray.	snowy owl	Apr 2016	#136
Hmmm. That's a charge that could go both ways.	MADem	Apr 2016	#139
Really? Would it have been better to say "you?"	snowy owl	Apr 2016	#140
'YOU PEOPLE' should be able to figure that out.... nt	MADem	Apr 2016	#143
She deserves a small share of the blame. She VOTED FOR bush's war.	BillZBubb	Apr 2016	#102
And Bernie voted for an open ended AUMF that is STILL being used TODAY as justification to	MADem	Apr 2016	#105
"against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001" Iraq didn't attack us, remember?	beam me up scottie	Apr 2016	#106
"one misadventure" that's what you Hillary fanatics call Iraq. Pathetic. Off to ignore with you.	BillZBubb	Apr 2016	#107
Hillary also called what we did in Iraq the "gift of freedom".	beam me up scottie	Apr 2016	#110
But she did ....	TheFarS1de	Apr 2016	#113
Don't you love the industrial strength spin that somehow Bernie is responsible for Iraq?	beam me up scottie	Apr 2016	#117
Translation: Oh DARN--Sanders' vote IS still being used to justify war and I have no response to	MADem	Apr 2016	#112
One of Jeff's best here:	wendylaroux	Apr 2016	#104
I hope he keeps running his mouth! It's like he's got a backhoe, and he's digging	MADem	Apr 2016	#111
I'm glad the gloves are off now.See what these two have!	wendylaroux	Apr 2016	#116
The only idiots are the people who agreed with her that taking out Saddam was a good idea.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2016	#108
Bernie's plan to deal with ISIS? Break up the big banks!	redstateblues	Apr 2016	#109
Oh my god, I'm laughing myself silly, here!	MADem	Apr 2016	#119
Hillary Clinton is essentially connected to the current state of the ME wars. Period.	delrem	Apr 2016	#124
So's Bernie--his AUMF vote opened that door. nt	MADem	Apr 2016	#126
No. That's not true. That's a flat out lie.	delrem	Apr 2016	#135
I blame Ted Cruz for ISIS, the Iraq war	whirlygigspin	Apr 2016	#127
HA HA HA HA !! What a joke.	pangaia	Apr 2016	#128
Please...after you! And do keep spreading the word!! nt	MADem	Apr 2016	#134
I loves me some smell of Clinton supporter desperation in the morning.	Fuddnik	Apr 2016	#131
So glad you do--and you keep spreading the "good news" now--it'll help "the Bern" so much!	MADem	Apr 2016	#132
What an IDIOT Jeff Weaver is...	dchill	Apr 2016	#133
You mean She DIDN'T vote for the Iraq War?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2016	#137
Shit Happens	tirebiter	Apr 2016	#141
Well, she did vote for the war that spawned ISIS. nt	silvershadow	Apr 2016	#144
The destruction of Libya caused the majority of IS recruits to come from that area.	polly7	Apr 2016	#146

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