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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The Bernie or Bust blackmail is not going to work. [View all]revbones
(3,660 posts)172. I'm proud he was an Independent
and if whether they have a D behind their name and how long is something you judge people on rather than their policies and positions, then I do feel sorry for you.
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Sanders platform definitely ignores the last 20 years of neoliberalism, but that means its closer to
Baobab
Mar 2016
#192
If their consciences tell them to help elect Trump, I'm sorry, I can't support that.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#8
No, it isn't half a vote for Trump. It's the lack of a vote for Hillary. Nothing more, nothing less.
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2016
#16
Mathematically, it's equivalent to half of a vote for Trump. Doing that is facilitating a Trump
DanTex
Mar 2016
#18
We'll have to see the outcome before any blame is assigned. In 2000, there is no doubt
DanTex
Mar 2016
#67
Nah, going by what you wrote, all those indenpendents who don't vote for Clinton would . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#66
Regardless of which candidate you support, this is true. For instance if Bernie were to be the
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#51
Absolutely. If Bernie were the nominee and there was a Hillary or Bust movement,
DanTex
Mar 2016
#54
Right, and that is how liberals are. I know a liberal who hates Hillary so much
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#61
Which is quite a lot if millions of Sanders supporters carry through with not voting
brush
Mar 2016
#58
If all of them did that, it would be a problem. Thankfully most Sanders supporters aren't idiots.
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#63
Well, the math is on my side. There are two outcomes, and not voting for the D is
DanTex
Mar 2016
#78
I'm saying that not voting for someone is not the same as voting for the other person.
revbones
Mar 2016
#208
Why would you vote for some third party candidate who has no chance of winning and...
CajunBlazer
Mar 2016
#146
Not voting for Hillary is not voting for Hillary. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.
ThePhilosopher04
Mar 2016
#118
I think if you have to ask voters to vote against their consciences for HRC to win in the GE...
aikoaiko
Mar 2016
#11
I think there is a fundamental problem with people whose consciences tell them that
DanTex
Mar 2016
#13
Agreed. LGBT rights, equal pay, healthcare and abortion rights are fucking toast
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#14
You don't have to. People are going to vote the way they want to and they I suppose
bkkyosemite
Mar 2016
#107
There's zero difference between Trump and Hillary. They are best of friends. Everybody knows this.
ThePhilosopher04
Mar 2016
#236
You don't want us lefties to sit out? Fine. All we ask is that you vote for Bernie.
Dynamite Dave
Mar 2016
#38
No if she had any beliefs, she'd make concessions and amplify those beliefs to win over voters
Armstead
Mar 2016
#135
I guess the damning women to hell if they didn't vote for her isn't working?
VulgarPoet
Mar 2016
#245
I am not acting like the primary is over. Go lecture someone who is if that bugs you.
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#127
I think the Bernie or Bust tactic is done here by gop trolls and green party voters.
hrmjustin
Mar 2016
#15
Same here! I know several Bernie supporters in real life, and NONE of them ...
NurseJackie
Mar 2016
#21
Well get working on the GE then! Why are you wasting your time with BoB people?
JimDandy
Mar 2016
#161
With due respect you just got here so you are not in a position to make that judgment.
hrmjustin
Mar 2016
#44
The math is simple. Voting third party directs half as many net votes to the GOP
DanTex
Mar 2016
#28
I think the discrepancy comes from counting non-votes as if they were votes.
Buns_of_Fire
Mar 2016
#187
That it is. My only point is that, statistically, non-votes don't usually count one way or the other
Buns_of_Fire
Mar 2016
#198
Right, it only has an effect of (-1 or -0.5) if you are typically a (D) voter.
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#29
Stomp your feet, call people names or insult them as being selfish all you want.
revbones
Mar 2016
#42
And if millions of BS supporters do what you suggest, there will be millions fewer votes for . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#75
You keep twisting yourself into pretzels with the 0+0=0 formula but in actuality . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#141
Bernie joined the party 8 months ago. He should have joined years ago and he would have gotten . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#168
Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for Bernie as that (I) for so many years obviously hampered . .
brush
Mar 2016
#171
Why do you feel sorry for me? I had nothing to do with Bernie not having made the switch . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#174
I feel sorry for neither of you, and I have an engineering degree with a major in math..
CajunBlazer
Mar 2016
#189
Dan - If You Want To Vote - For A Member Of The 1% - A War Hawk - And A Corporatist - Go Ahead
cantbeserious
Mar 2016
#226
Caucusing with the dems with an (I) next to your name and being a self-avowed socialist . . .
brush
Mar 2016
#157
"Bernie or Bust" isn't going to work because "Bernie or Bust" doesn't exist
brooklynite
Mar 2016
#56
The Bernie or Bust movement seems to be very popular on DU, judging from the number of
DanTex
Mar 2016
#64
Yes, it is an OP written in response to all the Bernie or Bust posts I've been seeing.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#70
Voting for 3rd party when you say you are a Democrat is selfish-esp when the SC
riversedge
Mar 2016
#126
How do you read this thread as blackmail? I'm simply pointing out that as a strategy for
DanTex
Mar 2016
#88
If you don't see it I can't explain it. It's rather like describing color to the blind.
Kalidurga
Mar 2016
#91
Umm, I didn't call Sanders' supporters bullies. I said that Bernie or Busters (which is a small
DanTex
Mar 2016
#104
It is not blackmail to refuse to vote for a candidate whose values you find repugnant.
Kalidurga
Mar 2016
#108
What I mean is the arrogant assumption that people have no other choice...
highprincipleswork
Mar 2016
#110
I agree on the parliamentary representation and much of what you say. And yet...
highprincipleswork
Mar 2016
#138
Whether I see anything wrong with what Hillary does or represents is irrelevant.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#147
Well, good luck to that, good luck to you, good luck to the "Democratic" Party...
highprincipleswork
Mar 2016
#149
Agree. I vote for the canidate whose interests most closely mirror my own.
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
#95
It's not about "pushing the party to the left." It's about pushing America to the left. If Democrats
ThePhilosopher04
Mar 2016
#116
And Bernie or Bust is not going to push the country left. President Trump is not going to
DanTex
Mar 2016
#117
If you don't want President Trump, you need to get on board the Bernie Bus. He's our only hope.
ThePhilosopher04
Mar 2016
#233
I'm not a Clinton supporter, still hope for a Bernie miracle, and am tired of
forjusticethunders
Mar 2016
#124
Sheeeeit, There are so many Republicans that will be voting for Clinton this election,
seabeyond
Mar 2016
#151
Neither is the "You have to vote for Hillary or Trump will be president" blackmail
Doctor_J
Mar 2016
#158
That's not blackmail, it's reality. We have a winner take all two party system.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#160
If we have a President Trump, you'll only have yourself to blame. You have a choice
ThePhilosopher04
Mar 2016
#234
If people refuse to vote for Clinton the prefer what Republicans will give them.
Agnosticsherbet
Mar 2016
#166
But Clinton2 will be just as republican as Clinton1 was, so how is this helping your family?
RiverLover
Mar 2016
#238
If you believe Naderite crap, then you will be happy with what the Republicans give you.
Agnosticsherbet
Mar 2016
#242
It's a good thing you are neither an undocumented immigrant, nor a woman in a red state
DanTex
Mar 2016
#202
None of that matters if you're willing to sit by and let Trump become president.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#212
The test of leadership will occur soon, the ability of the candidates to lead their supporters
Thinkingabout
Mar 2016
#230
Then why do we see these same threads that we must vote for Hillary or the "Bernie Or Bust" won't
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
#239
Well thats great then right for you types. Plus if she a shoe in she certainly dosent need my vote
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
#247
Just the people that view Hillary as a corupt corporative operative who see her presidency as a slow
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
#253
That doesn't mean I will vote for Hillary in the slightest. After all, if more people want Trump as
Katashi_itto
Mar 2016
#259