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revbones

(3,660 posts)
172. I'm proud he was an Independent
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

and if whether they have a D behind their name and how long is something you judge people on rather than their policies and positions, then I do feel sorry for you.

I wouldn't call it blackmail NWCorona Mar 2016 #1
I dont think you understand- Support for Bernie is STRONGER Baobab Mar 2016 #119
Exactly nt Rebkeh Mar 2016 #133
or some "shenanigans" at the polls Merryland Mar 2016 #156
"Support for Bernie is STRONGER" by what measure? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #164
Zealotry strength. Hortensis Mar 2016 #257
Democrats would be insane to nominate Sanders Gothmog Mar 2016 #167
Sanders platform definitely ignores the last 20 years of neoliberalism, but that means its closer to Baobab Mar 2016 #192
I think he's clearly the best candidate we've had in decades Baobab Mar 2016 #195
Bernie or Bust isn't a tactic, it's a narcissistic temper tantrum nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #2
+1 Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #3
"the best democrat you can get" will be the one that is nominated. bullimiami Mar 2016 #4
I disagree. Beowulf Mar 2016 #81
.+10 840high Mar 2016 #111
Go for it. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #183
I agree, she is not a uniter. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #193
+1000 n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #20
Do you know what narcissistic personality disorder is? Baobab Mar 2016 #121
Zealotry in all forms is always destructive. Loki Mar 2016 #163
Then why are you supporting a chameleon? ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #235
Why do you support someone who voted against the Amber Alert Bill? Loki Mar 2016 #237
And voting for Hillary is insanity coyote Mar 2016 #243
Just support people in voting their conscience/ aikoaiko Mar 2016 #5
If their consciences tell them to help elect Trump, I'm sorry, I can't support that. DanTex Mar 2016 #8
0 + 0 = 0 revbones Mar 2016 #10
Not voting for Hillary is equivalent to a half-vote for Trump. DanTex Mar 2016 #12
No, it isn't half a vote for Trump. It's the lack of a vote for Hillary. Nothing more, nothing less. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #16
Mathematically, it's equivalent to half of a vote for Trump. Doing that is facilitating a Trump DanTex Mar 2016 #18
Math! Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #37
One of two things will happen next fall, either a D or an R. DanTex Mar 2016 #40
Whatever you think. Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #45
Mathematically, my thinking is correct. This is a winner-take-all two party DanTex Mar 2016 #57
No I am not. You are not to assign blame on us Sanders voters Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #65
We'll have to see the outcome before any blame is assigned. In 2000, there is no doubt DanTex Mar 2016 #67
Nah, going by what you wrote, all those indenpendents who don't vote for Clinton would . . . brush Mar 2016 #66
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #132
Regardless of which candidate you support, this is true. For instance if Bernie were to be the Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #51
Absolutely. If Bernie were the nominee and there was a Hillary or Bust movement, DanTex Mar 2016 #54
Right, and that is how liberals are. I know a liberal who hates Hillary so much Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #61
Most if not all Clinton supporters will support the nominee of the party Gothmog Mar 2016 #169
Absolutely. The voting machine does NOT tabulate. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #39
why would you vote FOR someone who has no chance of winning and... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #136
Better ask the political purity princesses that question. DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #184
Definitely not me! CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #185
Which is quite a lot if millions of Sanders supporters carry through with not voting brush Mar 2016 #58
If all of them did that, it would be a problem. Thankfully most Sanders supporters aren't idiots. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #63
you can justify it however you like.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #101
Wow, you might want to catch your breath after all those contortions. revbones Mar 2016 #26
Well, the math is on my side. There are two outcomes, and not voting for the D is DanTex Mar 2016 #78
Not sure about your definition of math there. revbones Mar 2016 #80
So, are you saying that no one is running for president? kcr Mar 2016 #197
I'm saying that not voting for someone is not the same as voting for the other person. revbones Mar 2016 #208
No, its a vote for another candidate. basselope Mar 2016 #74
Third party candidates have no chance of winning. They can only be spoilers. DanTex Mar 2016 #79
No, its only a vote for Trump if I vote for Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #97
It's effectively a half vote for Trump if you vote third party. DanTex Mar 2016 #103
No. basselope Mar 2016 #106
the lesser of two evils is still evil. Merryland Mar 2016 #162
I've heard it called "The evil of two lessers" basselope Mar 2016 #177
That is the Democratic Party's choice. Baobab Mar 2016 #194
Why would you vote for some third party candidate who has no chance of winning and... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #146
Why would I vote a candidate... basselope Mar 2016 #176
So the definition of having ideals and principles is to have no brain? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #182
So the definition of having no brain is to have ideals? basselope Mar 2016 #199
Not voting for Hillary is not voting for Hillary. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #118
I firmly believe... dchill Mar 2016 #32
I see this all the time.. one_voice Mar 2016 #216
Yes. revbones Mar 2016 #217
that's not what I said.. one_voice Mar 2016 #219
You said revbones Mar 2016 #220
Here: one_voice Mar 2016 #222
I think if you have to ask voters to vote against their consciences for HRC to win in the GE... aikoaiko Mar 2016 #11
I think there is a fundamental problem with people whose consciences tell them that DanTex Mar 2016 #13
Agreed. LGBT rights, equal pay, healthcare and abortion rights are fucking toast PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #14
Because it's never your candidate's fault, right? VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #244
You don't have to. People are going to vote the way they want to and they I suppose bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #107
There's zero difference between Trump and Hillary. They are best of friends. Everybody knows this. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #236
When the left sits it out, everybody else moves to the right. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #6
You don't want us lefties to sit out? Fine. All we ask is that you vote for Bernie. Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #38
Not happening. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #53
Very well, then you are not a Democrat by that definition Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #59
I am the very definition of a Democrat MohRokTah Mar 2016 #62
So you are acknowledging that Clinton has no principles or moral center Armstead Mar 2016 #122
No, I am not acknowleding anything of the sort. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #130
No if she had any beliefs, she'd make concessions and amplify those beliefs to win over voters Armstead Mar 2016 #135
She is not beholden to voters who hold their vote hostage. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #140
It's not the hardcore Bernie or Bust people she has to worry about Armstead Mar 2016 #142
ALL Presidential candidates move to the center in the GE. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #175
Pssst ..... Lil Missy Mar 2016 #196
Blackmail: If you don't vote for Hillary you will get Trump!! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #7
Nope. eom. Rebkeh Mar 2016 #134
I guess the damning women to hell if they didn't vote for her isn't working? VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #245
Yup. Privileged, arrogant, selfish, narcissistic and fucking stupid. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #9
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly my feelings too. brush Mar 2016 #69
It might help if people would stop acting like the primary is over Armstead Mar 2016 #123
I am not acting like the primary is over. Go lecture someone who is if that bugs you. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #127
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #179
I think the Bernie or Bust tactic is done here by gop trolls and green party voters. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #15
Same here! I know several Bernie supporters in real life, and NONE of them ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #21
Well get working on the GE then! Why are you wasting your time with BoB people? JimDandy Mar 2016 #161
I think many of the Bernie or Bust people here Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #41
With due respect you just got here so you are not in a position to make that judgment. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #44
Yes, Bernie is still my candidate Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #49
Of course. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #50
Anybody pushing it sure as shit isn't a Democrat MohRokTah Mar 2016 #55
Yep! A lot of trolls trying to get Democrats not to vote Democratic. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #71
Actually it was the obnoxious Hillary supporters that convinced me... Human101948 Mar 2016 #100
And that means what? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #109
This crap post isn't going to work either whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #17
You have the right to vote for whoever you want, I'm not denying that. DanTex Mar 2016 #19
0 + 0 = 0 revbones Mar 2016 #23
You're wrong, as I've already pointed out. DanTex Mar 2016 #25
You're wrong as the math obviously shows. nt revbones Mar 2016 #27
The math is simple. Voting third party directs half as many net votes to the GOP DanTex Mar 2016 #28
0 + 0 still equals 0 revbones Mar 2016 #31
Sure, but that's a meaningless equation. I could also say 5+5=10. DanTex Mar 2016 #34
It's like this PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #36
I think the discrepancy comes from counting non-votes as if they were votes. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #187
A non-vote is still a decision. DanTex Mar 2016 #188
That it is. My only point is that, statistically, non-votes don't usually count one way or the other Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #198
Right, it only has an effect of (-1 or -0.5) if you are typically a (D) voter. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #29
Again, you're just making false assumptions revbones Mar 2016 #33
lolok. Justify the selfishness any way that you like. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #35
Stomp your feet, call people names or insult them as being selfish all you want. revbones Mar 2016 #42
lolok PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #46
AFAIC supporting HRC is an extremely careless and selfish act whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #94
And if millions of BS supporters do what you suggest, there will be millions fewer votes for . . . brush Mar 2016 #75
Wow. Such willful ignorance of math is rather stunning. revbones Mar 2016 #77
It gives the Dem candidate millions of fewer votes. brush Mar 2016 #84
You make false assumptions revbones Mar 2016 #90
Ahhh . . . she's earning way more votes than Sanders in the primary process brush Mar 2016 #102
If you're concerned about Democrats not voting for Hillary revbones Mar 2016 #112
You keep twisting yourself into pretzels with the 0+0=0 formula but in actuality . . . brush Mar 2016 #141
That's absurd. revbones Mar 2016 #143
Keep twisting that dough. Trump and the repugs are quite appreciative. brush Mar 2016 #153
Whatever. revbones Mar 2016 #155
Bernie joined the party 8 months ago. He should have joined years ago and he would have gotten . . . brush Mar 2016 #168
If you're so caught up on when a person had a "D" behind their name revbones Mar 2016 #170
Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for Bernie as that (I) for so many years obviously hampered . . brush Mar 2016 #171
I'm proud he was an Independent revbones Mar 2016 #172
Why do you feel sorry for me? I had nothing to do with Bernie not having made the switch . . . brush Mar 2016 #174
I feel sorry for neither of you, and I have an engineering degree with a major in math.. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #189
Oooh. Citing degrees. Too bad I'm an engineer as well. revbones Mar 2016 #190
WEAK. If you are an engineer you probably think logically CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #191
Sure, if you think saying "weak" helps your logic. revbones Mar 2016 #209
Sorry I was wrong, you don't think logically afterall. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #224
Insulting others doesn't help your argument. revbones Mar 2016 #225
Let's talk about disingenious shall we CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #229
Ok. revbones Mar 2016 #231
Dan - If You Want To Vote - For A Member Of The 1% - A War Hawk - And A Corporatist - Go Ahead cantbeserious Mar 2016 #226
Yep +1 840high Mar 2016 #113
Since HRC is the "best candidate" Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #22
^^ Exactly right ^^ nt revbones Mar 2016 #24
Agreed atomingai Mar 2016 #30
So what's to be said about the candidate who can't win the primary? brush Mar 2016 #105
Primaries and generals are two different things Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #120
Yeah, but if you can't win the primary, you can't get to the general brush Mar 2016 #148
Bernie caucsed with the Dems for decades Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #152
Caucusing with the dems with an (I) next to your name and being a self-avowed socialist . . . brush Mar 2016 #157
Well, I read the whoooooole post, aaaannnnnddddd........(drum roll please) Karma13612 Mar 2016 #200
Just to check, Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #218
Threatening Bernie supporters with loyalty oaths doesn't work either. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #43
This is a silly OP, imho. sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #47
Par for the course. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #52
One way loyalty oaths, what a winner Mnpaul Mar 2016 #207
I'm neither a millennial nor an Indy Merryland Mar 2016 #159
They can vote or not as they choose The Second Stone Mar 2016 #48
"Bernie or Bust" isn't going to work because "Bernie or Bust" doesn't exist brooklynite Mar 2016 #56
I've heard from many Hillary supporters Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #60
The Bernie or Bust movement seems to be very popular on DU, judging from the number of DanTex Mar 2016 #64
No, yours is the OP Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #68
Yes, it is an OP written in response to all the Bernie or Bust posts I've been seeing. DanTex Mar 2016 #70
Why start Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #72
I felt like the idea was prevalent enough that it warranted its own OP. DanTex Mar 2016 #76
Still not voting for Clinton. basselope Mar 2016 #73
so you must be staying home or leaving it blank. Selfish iMHO riversedge Mar 2016 #86
No, voting 3rd party. basselope Mar 2016 #99
Voting for 3rd party when you say you are a Democrat is selfish-esp when the SC riversedge Mar 2016 #126
When did I say I was a democrat???? basselope Mar 2016 #178
Truly sorry. Have a good day riversedge Mar 2016 #181
Blah blah blah matt819 Mar 2016 #82
First, people don't like being blackmailed. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #87
How do you read this thread as blackmail? I'm simply pointing out that as a strategy for DanTex Mar 2016 #88
If you don't see it I can't explain it. It's rather like describing color to the blind. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #91
You can't explain it, so you attack me personally. DanTex Mar 2016 #93
You think that is an attack after you call Sander's supporters bullies? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #98
Umm, I didn't call Sanders' supporters bullies. I said that Bernie or Busters (which is a small DanTex Mar 2016 #104
It is not blackmail to refuse to vote for a candidate whose values you find repugnant. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #108
You mean versus the Clinton versus Trump blackmail??? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #85
I have seen no evidence that the smart folks in power are actually smart. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #89
I don't understand what you mean by "Clinton versus Trump blackmail." DanTex Mar 2016 #92
What I mean is the arrogant assumption that people have no other choice... highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #110
It's not arrogance, it's reality. We have a winner-take-all two-party system. DanTex Mar 2016 #115
I agree on the parliamentary representation and much of what you say. And yet... highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #138
Whether I see anything wrong with what Hillary does or represents is irrelevant. DanTex Mar 2016 #147
Well, good luck to that, good luck to you, good luck to the "Democratic" Party... highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #149
They can have the title "Democrat" then. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #246
Agree. I vote for the canidate whose interests most closely mirror my own. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #95
Of course not MaggieD Mar 2016 #96
Bernie or bust is crazy. longship Mar 2016 #114
It's not about "pushing the party to the left." It's about pushing America to the left. If Democrats ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #116
And Bernie or Bust is not going to push the country left. President Trump is not going to DanTex Mar 2016 #117
If you don't want President Trump, you need to get on board the Bernie Bus. He's our only hope. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #233
Bingo Armstead Mar 2016 #125
I'm not a Clinton supporter, still hope for a Bernie miracle, and am tired of forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #124
I won't flame you for that, I think that's completely logical. DanTex Mar 2016 #129
Meh. If it's so insignificant, just ignore it. Armstead Mar 2016 #128
Okay, let's clarify where you clearly don't understand Rebkeh Mar 2016 #131
The Bernie or bust threats will not work Gothmog Mar 2016 #137
If they don't work, the consequences will not be on them Rebkeh Mar 2016 #144
Why would you vote for someone who has no chance of winning and... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #139
He has a chance of winning Rebkeh Mar 2016 #145
We aren't talking about Bernie here - it's a given he is going to lose CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #150
No, it is about Bernie Rebkeh Mar 2016 #173
We'll see how long you can continue to live in your dream world, and... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #180
Sheeeeit, There are so many Republicans that will be voting for Clinton this election, seabeyond Mar 2016 #151
Still with Sanders Kittycat Mar 2016 #154
Neither is the "You have to vote for Hillary or Trump will be president" blackmail Doctor_J Mar 2016 #158
That's not blackmail, it's reality. We have a winner take all two party system. DanTex Mar 2016 #160
If we have a President Trump, you'll only have yourself to blame. You have a choice ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #234
So what? Do you think that fear will work better? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #165
He is a fool who does not fear what should be feared. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #186
Cowards live in fear. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #215
So brave man, why don't you tell us why we have nothing to fear... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #223
I said cowards live in fear. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #241
If people refuse to vote for Clinton the prefer what Republicans will give them. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #166
But Clinton2 will be just as republican as Clinton1 was, so how is this helping your family? RiverLover Mar 2016 #238
If you believe Naderite crap, then you will be happy with what the Republicans give you. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #242
Lesser evil is still evil. RiverLover Mar 2016 #248
Lol EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #201
It's a good thing you are neither an undocumented immigrant, nor a woman in a red state DanTex Mar 2016 #202
fear fear fear fear fear EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #204
You seem to be pretty fearful yourself, of things like NAFTA and TPP. DanTex Mar 2016 #205
it's exceedingly simple EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #206
Well, if you won't vote for the Democratic nominee, you are not a progressive. DanTex Mar 2016 #210
Total BS EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #211
None of that matters if you're willing to sit by and let Trump become president. DanTex Mar 2016 #212
Total BS EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #213
I don't care about "thiae people"? Did you mean Thai people? Umm, whaaa? DanTex Mar 2016 #214
This is what the BernieOrBust followers are doing. riversedge Mar 2016 #203
LOL, Dan being Dan. nt Logical Mar 2016 #221
It's no blackmail AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #227
This post misrepresents the situation greatly revbones Mar 2016 #228
The test of leadership will occur soon, the ability of the candidates to lead their supporters Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #230
Of course it's not going to work. griffi94 Mar 2016 #232
Then why do we see these same threads that we must vote for Hillary or the "Bernie Or Bust" won't Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #239
The same reason for the multiple posts griffi94 Mar 2016 #240
Well thats great then right for you types. Plus if she a shoe in she certainly dosent need my vote Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #247
How you vote is up to you griffi94 Mar 2016 #249
Then why worry about what I say? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #251
You replied to my post griffi94 Mar 2016 #252
Just the people that view Hillary as a corupt corporative operative who see her presidency as a slow Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #253
So far the majority of primary voters griffi94 Mar 2016 #254
A McDonalds hambeger is the is the most popular burger too Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #256
Politics is like that griffi94 Mar 2016 #258
That doesn't mean I will vote for Hillary in the slightest. After all, if more people want Trump as Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #259
As I said earlier your vote is yours griffi94 Mar 2016 #260
How long has Trump been building his? A couple of Months? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #261
Trump isn't a democrat griffi94 Mar 2016 #262
Neither is Hillary Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #263
This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #250
That threat makes them ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #255
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