2016 Postmortem

winter is coming

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168. I'd forgotten that. Good post!

Reply to EmperorHasNoClothes (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:39 PM

Mar 2016

I guess Camp Weathervane thought the firewall would have taken care of Bernie's candidacy by now. Instead, we may get news of Iowa flipping right before the next round of primaries. This is not a good weekend to be a Clinton campaign staffer.

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Hillary playing tricks in Polk County! [View all] CoffeeCat Mar 2016 OP

This is bullshit..call the cops bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1

The cops have no juridiction Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #102

No, no, you've got a quorum present. Call for elections for new party leadership right there and PatrickforO Mar 2016 #207

That's right: fight them with a quorum! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #263

Forget the cops, call the local TV stations! nt Aquavit Mar 2016 #239

Demand the Hillary delegates do the same. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #2

stay strong questionseverything Mar 2016 #3

Insanity. Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #4

Bottom line--Hillary people defected CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #5

Likely some of Clinton's delegates/alternates elected in the caucuses didn't show. JimDandy Mar 2016 #35

There is also something I was thinking watoos Mar 2016 #104

I'll wait for coffeecat to weigh in on the exact details. n/t JimDandy Mar 2016 #110

I don't think pledged delegates are supposed to 'defect' Matariki Mar 2016 #148

Why did you guys let them change the rules? IllinoisLabour Mar 2016 #6

No, our leaders told us that if we CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #9

But why don't THEY have to dana_b Mar 2016 #16

Good. Shows courage and commitment to our Democratic ideals. Duval Mar 2016 #85

Clintonian. Stay strong! AzDar Mar 2016 #7

If I disappear, it's bc my phone has only CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #8

I'll send a power block your way Uglystick Mar 2016 #13

had a feeling since IA was a virtual tie PatrynXX Mar 2016 #156

Me too Renew Deal Mar 2016 #246

Post the videos when able NWCorona Mar 2016 #19

Looking forward to hearing the results. n//t hootinholler Mar 2016 #27

Send me that damn video! pinebox Mar 2016 #185

Easier to count people twice if your opposition isn't in the room... nt revbones Mar 2016 #10

The Bernie people are in one room CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #15

That was my point revbones Mar 2016 #18

I just asked. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #20

Whew revbones Mar 2016 #22

Why do they get the food and beverages??? cui bono Mar 2016 #24

"she needs to lose and go away" I concur. I'm leaning on the idea of voting for Trump bonniebgood Mar 2016 #268

Obama's picks have been somewhat socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #269

Clinton gave us RGB. But ya know- they are worse than Trump, right? bettyellen Mar 2016 #285

Don't let them get away with shenanigans! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #11

I'm reading about this now. Here is some video: dana_b Mar 2016 #12

Clinton's entire campaign is nothing but lies and deceit! PonyUp Mar 2016 #14

Sure looks like it. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #124

Thank you for all you do UglyGreed Mar 2016 #17

is this Polk County Florida or where? marions ghost Mar 2016 #21

iowa questionseverything Mar 2016 #23

OK marions ghost Mar 2016 #40

as i understand it questionseverything Mar 2016 #44

Go Polk County! marions ghost Mar 2016 #49

IA is not unique. We are stuck with the same system in WA, JimDandy Mar 2016 #52

Not up on how many states have the caucus system-- marions ghost Mar 2016 #57

Not a fan. Want it gone. Running for a Bernie delegate position in the meantime. n/t JimDandy Mar 2016 #64

Good luck marions ghost Mar 2016 #65

Did you questiong Nevada caucuses? snowy owl Mar 2016 #286

not a mention of this on the msm questionseverything Mar 2016 #55

Yeah they don't want to report that marions ghost Mar 2016 #62

Yeah, Caught My Attention Too! Polk County Is In Florida Too! ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #90

And there's a Polk County NC also marions ghost Mar 2016 #114

how is it fair that party members are the ones who chose their party's nominees? dlwickham Mar 2016 #149

Everyone in that room is a party member. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #165

Fla is winner take all only for GOP. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #209

The GOP "learned a lesson" elljay Mar 2016 #251

How In The Hell Did I Get That Messed Up??? ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #264

seems to me polk county alone would offically flilp iowa to Bernie and I dont litlbilly Mar 2016 #141

that's the feeling I'm getting about it marions ghost Mar 2016 #206

coffecat can you use someone's plug and plug it in there? bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #25

So I don't understand, does the convention make the results official? cui bono Mar 2016 #26

Real people need to show up at county and state conventions Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #28

Then what are the caucuses for? cui bono Mar 2016 #31

To select delegates to county conventions Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #38

In Washington the State we have precinct caucuses. Those delegates go to the Legislative Dist rhett o rick Mar 2016 #33

That makes no sense to me! All I have to do is vote once, takes me no more than 30 minutes. cui bono Mar 2016 #36

The delegates do more than vote: they work on the state party's platform. eom. Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #39

But are they allowed to switch allegiences after the initial caucus? OnlinePoker Mar 2016 #145

Let me be clear citizens only vote once for delegates at the precinct caucuses and then they aredone rhett o rick Mar 2016 #43

Oh! Okay, so if you sign up to be a delegate you know you're in for the long haul. cui bono Mar 2016 #51

Yes, By state convention time, Bernie can end up with more delegates than earned at the caucuses JimDandy Mar 2016 #63

Thanks. We really need to get rid of this ridiculous caucus system. cui bono Mar 2016 #72

I agree! JimDandy Mar 2016 #87

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #129

So if it's attendance that matters... ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #121

The ballots have to be mailed/faxed in and received by the State Dem Chair, Jaxon Ravens, JimDandy Mar 2016 #159

In Wash the State one can vote via the caucus via "Surrogate Affidavit Form" if they rhett o rick Mar 2016 #186

I just received one in the mail from William J. Clinton Generic Other Mar 2016 #253

I also got one from Bad Boy Bill. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #267

The first answer is no. The delegates that the caucuses chose will be reduced significantly at the rhett o rick Mar 2016 #66

Thanks. And good luck! n/t cui bono Mar 2016 #73

So many Dems in WA want a Primary election instead of the archaic caucuses. JimDandy Mar 2016 #46

I definitely do. I'm sick of losing work in order to caucus. fierywoman Mar 2016 #68

If you're in WA, this year we have a surrogate ballot (absentee ballot, essentially) JimDandy Mar 2016 #105

I love the primary in Oregon, they mail us the ballot, we mail it in...done:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #146

this is the first year to do this, we switched from I to D for Bernie:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #147

Welcome. Hope you stay and help us change the party so it is more conducive to progressive JimDandy Mar 2016 #171

It's gonna be a tough slog, but I think we are up to it:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #175

Okay, okay I am sufficiently jealous. Sigh. JimDandy Mar 2016 #162

:) I would caucus here if thats what we would have to do:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #170

Yup -- fierywoman Mar 2016 #252

mwah! fierywoman Mar 2016 #249

in MN too ellennelle Mar 2016 #70

Same here in Maine. PWPippin Mar 2016 #177

One advantage to have a caucus system is that it gets people out of their homes, meeting their rhett o rick Mar 2016 #190

That same outcome also can be effected by a GOTV drive. Sadly, the WA Dem Party neglected JimDandy Mar 2016 #211

I see some good in both sides. The Primary vote is easy and that encourages people to participate. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #212

We can continue to get people to participate in the process without the Caucus system. JimDandy Mar 2016 #219

K&R dana_b Mar 2016 #29

Order pizza and demand chairs for the elderly! DebDoo Mar 2016 #30

Thank you for the update! /nt think Mar 2016 #32

Original results were 53 Hillary-46 Bernie EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #34

This would flip it? marions ghost Mar 2016 #41

Caucuses are ridiculous. Metric System Mar 2016 #50

could not agree more!! ellennelle Mar 2016 #71

BS PatrynXX Mar 2016 #166

Yes, I agree, although I don't think that's a good thing mythology Mar 2016 #266

This is not the result of the caucus Renew Deal Mar 2016 #247

Do not like them one bit! Pacifist Patriot Mar 2016 #283

Maybe they got the original count wrong? nt mhatrw Mar 2016 #59

Could be from what I read. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #133

How low can they go ... TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #37

STOP. THINK. VOTE. MFM008 Mar 2016 #42

You loathe Sanders because of his age? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #54

Seriously dorkzilla Mar 2016 #69

Imagine if... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #74

Bravo and Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #151

Eh... Khellendross Mar 2016 #75

"I loathe Sanders. I think hes to damn old period." mac56 Mar 2016 #76

"We have to stand together" - and you call her "butt hurt" with "dumb ass logic" cyberswede Mar 2016 #78

whoa, nelly ellennelle Mar 2016 #79

How shallow of you. Anything you wrote after your second line means nothing. nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #131

Bernie's other qualities far override any concerns about his age. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #132

STOP. THINK. POST. eomer Mar 2016 #144

Yet another Clinton Supporter WINNING over us Bernie Supports Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #244

He's so old you'll have to take pills to mark your ballot for him? Did you have any Gene Debs Mar 2016 #260

This might explain part of this. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #45

I'd forgotten that. Good post! winter is coming Mar 2016 #168

Get tough - Get mad Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #47

Stay strong. Owl Mar 2016 #48

We're still here. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #53

Can somebody from the Bernie legal team to down there? Helen Borg Mar 2016 #56

I will contact my Bernie contact-- nt CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #61

Unbelievable UglyGreed Mar 2016 #58

Thanks for the update!! progressoid Mar 2016 #77

Hang in there! MuseRider Mar 2016 #60

Change the rules??? Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #67

isn't there a saying that goes UglyGreed Mar 2016 #81

K&R me b zola Mar 2016 #80

Ok recount-- CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #82

um, they're cheating. nashville_brook Mar 2016 #89

So... The count comes out more like the caucuses and that's cheating? Adrahil Mar 2016 #169

God dammit!!! AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #99

That's ok. Thanks for what you are doing. Duval Mar 2016 #109

This takes depressing turnout to new lows. suffragette Mar 2016 #116

OMG HRC is sooooooo powerful. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #83

Yes she and the Clintons UglyGreed Mar 2016 #86

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #91

Not insult UglyGreed Mar 2016 #96

Lol, don't quit your day job. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #98

I'm very good UglyGreed Mar 2016 #106

Meh, I'm stealing that one. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #107

Be my guest UglyGreed Mar 2016 #108

You're very insulting. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #115

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #136

LOL -- enjoy your DU vacay nashville_brook Mar 2016 #265

Are they making the Hillary supporters do the same thing? nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #84

It's my understanding that CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #88

media? ellennelle Mar 2016 #100

"The Hill camp changed the rules and ordered all Bernie supporters leave the room" ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #92

I'm just curious why the Hillary people are leading this. Why do they have a mic? Why are they Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #93

Hill's people have been talking to the rules committee All in it together Mar 2016 #134

Love your determination. With you in spirit. Hope you all hang in there!!!! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #94

K&R! dchill Mar 2016 #95

There are Bernie people here All in it together Mar 2016 #97

No Shame noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #111

welcome to DU, and thanks for the update! renate Mar 2016 #158

Ok, they just announce that there will be another count!!!!!!! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #101

this is seriously wrong. What is this, political hunger games?? flippin' H. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #112

Wow UglyGreed Mar 2016 #117

Was the delegate count scheduled as the last agenda item for your convention? n/t JimDandy Mar 2016 #123

Of course, her camp knew these older guys couldn't wait around so long. Duval Mar 2016 #126

Fuck Hillary. cui bono Mar 2016 #262

I'm confused why the Hillary camp is running this - demanding counts, etc. Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #103

We were told that we had to do CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #119

WOW. That's disgraceful. Hang tough! Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #138

And why the hell can't the Bernie camp challenge this cluster in court? strategery blunder Mar 2016 #160

cant ther bernie camp do the same? CarrieLynne Mar 2016 #275

You are awesome, CoffeeCat MissDeeds Mar 2016 #113

Can someone explain this to me passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #118

Apparently, some of the people who pledged to their neighbors that they would represent their choice Thor_MN Mar 2016 #194

Clinton cheated. Period. mhatrw Mar 2016 #216

Spring Break? How do you feel about going to 9th grade next year? Thor_MN Mar 2016 #218

"faithless delegates have abandoned their pledge" marions ghost Mar 2016 #220

No, they are supposed to honor their pledge. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #231

I don't think you have the picture of what is marions ghost Mar 2016 #270

I don't think you understand how a caucus works. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #271

It seems clear marions ghost Mar 2016 #273

One needs no more evidence than the local precinct totals, if one is honest. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #278

OK thank you marions ghost Mar 2016 #281

Do you not understand that the county convention should be representative of the local results? Thor_MN Mar 2016 #290

It is the perspective of those who were there marions ghost Mar 2016 #291

You have the local precinct totals, which is the perspective of the people of the county. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #292

thanks for further explanation marions ghost Mar 2016 #293

Q: Will you hold the reported 9 delgates who believe their pledge was "misrecorded" accountable? Thor_MN Mar 2016 #294

Improper = dirty tricks (whether premeditated or not). marions ghost Mar 2016 #295

Unless you are an Iowa resident, your opinion is of no value. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #296

Oh sure, I can have an opinion about what goes on in other states marions ghost Mar 2016 #297

Sure, you can have an opinion, but it has no value. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #298

I know how the system doesn't work marions ghost Mar 2016 #299

Ah, an honest to god, one day wonder expert... Thor_MN Mar 2016 #300

Hey, dont take off your rose colored glasses marions ghost Mar 2016 #301

Take a look back, you responded to me, not the other way around. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #302

You're arguing under the false premise... Xoyous Mar 2016 #274

Thank you for clarifying marions ghost Mar 2016 #282

1, 2) same answer, probably dismayed by the state of things, 3) no clue nt Xoyous Mar 2016 #287

This is really awful marions ghost Mar 2016 #120

Thank you for what you are doing - and as a personal request, please take care of those jillan Mar 2016 #122

Bernie chair just told us that CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #125

So glad you've been able to document this. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #128

AGREED!!! ellennelle Mar 2016 #135

damnit! I am so sorry that this is happening to you all dana_b Mar 2016 #195

wow... marions ghost Mar 2016 #221

Thanks for everything you're doing! Vote2016 Mar 2016 #127

Any angle of them not making it accessible or SoapBox Mar 2016 #130

Very handicap accessible auditorium and CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #140

It isn't virtually criminal except in the sense it isn't illegal. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #142

Good point! This needs to be assessed! nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #143

Thank you! warrprayer Mar 2016 #137

No surrender, no defeat! n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #139

Bernie Chair just gave us message from Bernie CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #150

Hang in there! MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #152

thank you so much for hanging tough renate Mar 2016 #161

Care to tell us what the message was? randome Mar 2016 #164

Wow, he now has two tweets up about it. suffragette Mar 2016 #180

***CHEATERS*** billhicks76 Mar 2016 #153

I'm not following you Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #154

You got it in a nutshell. n/t JimDandy Mar 2016 #174

Amazing. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #181

So basically, you are reporting faithless delegates and saying Clinton is pulling tricks? Thor_MN Mar 2016 #155

From the Iowa Democratic Party web site M_A Mar 2016 #182

If true (no link) then Iowa appears not to care if their representatives change their mind... Thor_MN Mar 2016 #188

From a reddit thread re Polk County switching of votes: JimDandy Mar 2016 #200

So 9 faithless delegates, who abandoned their pledge. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #203

It sounds more like they were Sanders delegates who were "mistakenly" put in the Clinton column JimDandy Mar 2016 #214

Explain why you believe the official local caucus results are wrong. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #217

My post was clear. Take it up with the delegates from that precinct who apparently felt wronged JimDandy Mar 2016 #224

So you have nothing other than your feelings that the local results were wrong. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #229

Again, DELEGATES FROM THAT PRECINCT gave that as the probable explanation. YOU are the one JimDandy Mar 2016 #230

Irrational shouting is a symptom of Tourette's Syndrome... Thor_MN Mar 2016 #232

No, the delegates are not bound to emmadoggy Mar 2016 #191

They are not bound. But it is dishonest to misrepresent. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #198

You continue to assume that all Bernie delegates were correctly labeled as such at the Precincts JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #223

yep a2liberal Mar 2016 #258

Indeed. It appears we are damned at every level of the process. To be expected, really; the JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #259

Someone needs to Call Jimmy Carter! Gwhittey Mar 2016 #157

Final count CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #163

I guess then overall it's still a net win for bernie from where he was before? guitarguybs07 Mar 2016 #167

Yes, the Bernie chair said that Hillary CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #184

you rock!!! dana_b Mar 2016 #196

Victor and I have decided to tell you "We love you, for your endurance, patience and info." Duval Mar 2016 #197

Clinton is the queen of a rigged electoral system, a rigged corporate media & a rigged economy! mhatrw Mar 2016 #213

thanks for this summary marions ghost Mar 2016 #225

Thank you!!! I have no words. thereismore Mar 2016 #234

Thanks! I've wanted to hear as many of these caucus experiences as I can. Great write-up. Gregorian Mar 2016 #235

I'd say yes. DaGimpster Mar 2016 #187

Bernie delegation just voted unanimously to CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #172

FYI DaGimpster Mar 2016 #189

Thank you and CoffeeCat! Eye opening! Jackilope Mar 2016 #193

woo! good for you! renate Mar 2016 #256

On Twitter, @desmoinesdem: "Am collecting first-person accounts from Hillary & Bernie delegates..." siderealization Mar 2016 #201

From Coffeecat's final post: marions ghost Mar 2016 #228

Holy cow, what a nail biter. MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #173

Hmmm mattocaster6 Mar 2016 #176

He probably will jfern Mar 2016 #178

They even cheated on that and gave Hillary 115 and Sanders 113. mhatrw Mar 2016 #215

Wow. Thanks for sticking it out. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #179

Just left the convention, had to. DaGimpster Mar 2016 #183

Did they even get around to doing the other emmadoggy Mar 2016 #192

We did most of the platform before the alignment between Bernie and Hillary delegates. All in it together Mar 2016 #205

OMG what a depressing experience marions ghost Mar 2016 #208

We didn't get MOST of the platform work completed 4dsc Mar 2016 #272

What's the deal at the moment now? retrowire Mar 2016 #199

There is a post over on Reddit xloadiex Mar 2016 #202

There is hell to pay when Clinton doesn't get her way. eom JEB Mar 2016 #204

She won the county on election day Lucinda Mar 2016 #227

Go CoffeeCat! zentrum Mar 2016 #210

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #222

hey with O'Malley's people in there it was gonna happen. Some Hillary people could switch but Omall PatrynXX Mar 2016 #226

How many non credential Bernie supporters left itsrobert Mar 2016 #233

If you read the thread Vilis Veritas Mar 2016 #236

Sounds like biased reporting itsrobert Mar 2016 #237

So tired of this misspelling... Fawke Em Mar 2016 #241

unbiased shireen Mar 2016 #255

That should have been a clue, eh? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #289

You have any other first hand accounts that refute Coffee Cat's account? mak3cats Mar 2016 #242

Folks on the ground in Iowa should contact 'Bleeding Heartland' (@desmoinesdem) on Twitter siderealization Mar 2016 #238

What a shitty post. cyberswede Mar 2016 #240

Can I have a link to the report of "non credential Bernie supporters"? cui bono Mar 2016 #261

keep 'em honest! Vote2016 Mar 2016 #243

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #245

Where is Polk County? We have one here in Florida Lorien Mar 2016 #248

Nevermind; I just saw the answer upthread! nt Lorien Mar 2016 #250

Here's the report from the Iowa Democratic Party: k8conant Mar 2016 #254

Some people might have left early in the day All in it together Mar 2016 #257

bernie post caucus iowa speech here CarrieLynne Mar 2016 #276

Can we help? yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #277

That's disgusting. Can't they just do the right thing, even once? nt Zorra Mar 2016 #279

Thank you CoffeCat Boldine Mar 2016 #280

Thank you CoffeeCat and all the DU Bernie delegates StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #284

I'd think to cal the county Democratic Party and the PRESS! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #288