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nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
164. Well you and I are going to have a difference
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

of opinion there because Obama gave way too much latitude to hawkish foreign policy advisors and caved to Wall Street bailouts as soon as he took office.

Too much of Obama's legacy has been a lot further to the right than many Democrats feel comfortable with.

Yeah. I can get behind that. I've been saying he needs to reach out for the past month. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
Two-Way Street, Comfortable with the racist they know versus the non-racist they don't know. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #61
"Two way street" ... LOL. Did you even read the OP? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #69
As Bernie has introduced himself, more have decided to support him. Vattel Mar 2016 #2
. . . and (news) corporations are the handmaidens to that ignorance. PWPippin Mar 2016 #4
not to mention all of the lies and distortions coming from the Clinton campaign and her supporters. Vattel Mar 2016 #7
.5% of Hillary's net worth equaling a bribe to her is an absurd distortion. The distortions have YCHDT Mar 2016 #14
Black people aren't ignorant EffieBlack Mar 2016 #12
You mean older black people, right? Dawgs Mar 2016 #25
No - I meant just what I said EffieBlack Mar 2016 #29
Blacks AND Hispanics aren't ignorant... it's not just blacks... it's women also... If Sanders had a YCHDT Mar 2016 #33
I didn't say they were ignorant. I said they were loyal. n/t Dawgs Mar 2016 #35
Actually, sus453 Mar 2016 #75
Didn't SP fail in VT? I mean that kind of track record of his leadership getting results not just... YCHDT Mar 2016 #89
Black people are no more ignorant than any other race in America. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #44
Yes, he did some heroic things 50 years ago EffieBlack Mar 2016 #48
Now you are concern trolling lol NWCorona Mar 2016 #52
And what exactly has hillary EVER done for PoC? Bubzer Mar 2016 #65
Promised to continue Obama's legacy while Sanders has called OPENLY for a "course corection" this ha YCHDT Mar 2016 #74
Bernie has RIGHTLY called for a course correction...and hillary has adopted most of his positions. Bubzer Mar 2016 #91
Course correction AWAY from Obama, that was the question posed to him and that has been his retoric YCHDT Mar 2016 #96
I'll say it again, the course correction is the right direction. Bubzer Mar 2016 #106
The Sanders should have the strength of his convictions to say the same thing RIGHT NOW YCHDT Mar 2016 #115
What is Obama's legacy? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #94
~80% of his promises passed, that's his legacy. Sanders should show the same position as this questi YCHDT Mar 2016 #98
So she will carry on his 'legacy' of being 'loved and endeared'? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #102
No, she'll carry on what he's started and seeing the overly obstructionist GOP congress who YCHDT Mar 2016 #104
What did he start? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #109
wow... So there's nothing of note Obama has done? This sounds like Sanders tract on a small scale YCHDT Mar 2016 #112
What did he start? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #113
Yes, away from the course that he inherited. Now my question, you think there's NOTHING of note that YCHDT Mar 2016 #116
I most certainly did not mean to offend you. PWPippin Mar 2016 #60
The difference between the candidate who knocks on doors compared to loyalsister Mar 2016 #19
It's a new model for Bernie and he doesn't have the connections to call people in the community EffieBlack Mar 2016 #40
Did you forget that the Clintons connection building started more than 25 yrs. ago? loyalsister Mar 2016 #51
Uh, Hillary Clinton use to work for the Children's Defense Fund Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #138
USED to- a long long time ago loyalsister Mar 2016 #141
Before you went on that tired diatribe of bullshit Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #142
Claiming or implying as a strategy that Sanders mmonk Mar 2016 #3
Few if any are claiming this, Sanders not being known is what is a common thread and as the OP YCHDT Mar 2016 #16
So, how was Hillary introduced? loyalsister Mar 2016 #27
As someone who wants to continue what Obama started, the same can't be said about Sanders and YCHDT Mar 2016 #28
Maybe he actually has some sincere interest in representing people who are economically oppressed? loyalsister Mar 2016 #43
Obama does also, peeling away from him isn't smart campaigning YCHDT Mar 2016 #53
I agree loyalsister Mar 2016 #56
Obama didn't bail out the banks, Obama didn't have FDR's or LBJ's congress either and what he did YCHDT Mar 2016 #71
People have short memories here. Loki Mar 2016 #83
yeap, they have a strong emotional bond with Sanders, I can see that being part of the problem YCHDT Mar 2016 #88
I share your perspective and loyalsister Mar 2016 #99
Saying only other people and cooproations have benefitted from Obama's agenda is NOT giving credit YCHDT Mar 2016 #103
"These people" "Those people" loyalsister Mar 2016 #118
Fair enough - they don't know Bernie dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #5
The difference is that they've known Hillary for decades EffieBlack Mar 2016 #10
Your crystal ball must be better than mine dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #24
Maybe you should have reached out to her - two way street and all EffieBlack Mar 2016 #41
But I wouldn't trust a word she said dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #46
Then don't vote for her. EffieBlack Mar 2016 #49
Don't intend to. dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #50
I won't. Aou don't vote for Bernie. 840high Mar 2016 #131
DU has a video today about the relationship Hillary has developed with the AA community freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #63
How about they try reaching out to him? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #6
That's not how campaigns work EffieBlack Mar 2016 #13
That's how life works. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #15
Whatever EffieBlack Mar 2016 #17
Fine, TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #23
This is not true, if I need something I go get it... few PoC know what is needed from Sanders.. YCHDT Mar 2016 #20
That would be the case if PoC needed Sanders right now, that's not the case. Sanders has NOT shown YCHDT Mar 2016 #18
Clearly you do not see income inequality with no way out as an issue mmonk Mar 2016 #37
I do, I don't think Sanders has an empirical way to fix it though not enough to take a chance on YCHDT Mar 2016 #72
Wow ... I don't think they are even listening to themselves, anymore ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #77
I think your are spot on. It was a big tatical mistake to peel away from an FDR and JKF level YCHDT Mar 2016 #79
It was a big tactical mistake ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #85
That too, if he'd join the DNC a year before he ran maybe it would be more authentic but this YCHDT Mar 2016 #90
There are measures one can take from the executive mmonk Mar 2016 #92
LOL ... Really? When has that EVER been the basis of a campaign? LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #73
Yeah, really. How about making an effort TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #125
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #130
Well, whatever floats your boat. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #132
How many candidates have YOU sought out to inform yourself on their position ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #134
Well, keep waiting and complaining. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #136
I am neither waiting or complaining ... I am explaining. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #139
I was always under the impression that it was the job of the candidate ... etherealtruth Mar 2016 #173
Nailed it... SidDithers Mar 2016 #8
That quote was my "take away" from this as well. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #9
Profound ! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #144
This is fair, if Sanders had been TRULY leading revolutions in the past and shown results there are YCHDT Mar 2016 #11
And he would have more support from the people who work with him daily if he actually was "fighting" Jitter65 Mar 2016 #21
Few people embraced Sanders... Orsino Mar 2016 #22
I agree he's catching on, but many prodded him to start earlier in places he was NOT known but he YCHDT Mar 2016 #30
A course correction is badly needed. Orsino Mar 2016 #34
Then it would be authentic for Sanders to constantly states this vs seemingly running from statement YCHDT Mar 2016 #36
Yes. Reform takes time, and isn't always welcome... Orsino Mar 2016 #38
Most dems think Obama has started a good thing, not something to be corrected FROM. Its like YCHDT Mar 2016 #39
When Sanders called for a course correction... Orsino Mar 2016 #42
No, I saw the interview and I've heard his critique of Obama over the years. He wanted to peel away YCHDT Mar 2016 #81
You saw his calling on the president for action... Orsino Mar 2016 #86
No, the question by Chris Hayes was pointed and the critique of Sanders has been constant until now YCHDT Mar 2016 #105
Not sure what that has to do with Obama. Orsino Mar 2016 #108
Hayes asked would you continue Obama's legacy, Sanders said no... that has A LOT to do with Obama YCHDT Mar 2016 #114
What nonsense. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #26
The record might be there but the result sure arent. if his leadership had been there during the ACA YCHDT Mar 2016 #32
Bernie has said from day one that any mandate would be because of the people... Bubzer Mar 2016 #54
The people wanted a public option congress did not YCHDT Mar 2016 #57
No, Nancy Pelosi did not. There was a bit of support in congress for the public option. Bubzer Mar 2016 #66
She's a part of congress, the claim is if people wanted his leadership would be there but YCHDT Mar 2016 #68
Bernie didn't favor the public option. He said from the begining that he was a single-payer guy. Bubzer Mar 2016 #82
I agree, he favored the public option but favoring something isn't the end of the matter with his YCHDT Mar 2016 #84
I'll say it again, there's a reason Bernie is called the amendment king. Bubzer Mar 2016 #97
His campaign isn't focusing on amendments but revolutionary passing of huge bills passed congress YCHDT Mar 2016 #101
And yet she's STILL never had to deal with an entrenched republic congress. Sorry, no dice. Bubzer Mar 2016 #107
Hillary isn't calling for revolution inside her own party either, if the course is stayed and theres YCHDT Mar 2016 #111
Single payer in VT didn't happen because the governor there didn't enact it. Bubzer Mar 2016 #117
My understanding is Sanders would galvanize voters to march, call and implement some other actions YCHDT Mar 2016 #153
Also, Elizabeth Warren pdsimdars Mar 2016 #31
Elizabeth Warren is already well known in the civil rights community for her work EffieBlack Mar 2016 #45
Yes, because Warren pursued policy that was actually realistic in a polarized country. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #58
Very insightful. Enjoyed reading. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #47
This doesn't make any sense at all nyabingi Mar 2016 #55
To recap: EffieBlack Mar 2016 #59
You're welcome nyabingi Mar 2016 #62
Good kenn3d Mar 2016 #70
Then that's the problem, people SHOULD be saying he is a well known force and have results to show YCHDT Mar 2016 #78
Black people are naturally fond of nyabingi Mar 2016 #121
PoC don't blame Obama though, that's the big disconnect between Sanders and most PoC when YCHDT Mar 2016 #126
Bernie has criticized Obama when that nyabingi Mar 2016 #135
Calling him weak isn't warranted, calling him rightward isn't warranted either and then telling the YCHDT Mar 2016 #155
Well you and I are going to have a difference nyabingi Mar 2016 #164
It's some of each - AAs who know him like Bernie. But that's still not enough. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #64
yeah, that's why he's being protested by BLM like every other month MisterP Mar 2016 #67
Hillary get protested by BLM, too. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #95
I think it's very complicated. Beowulf Mar 2016 #76
K&R ... for truth ... of course from a Black perspective. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #80
And what "hard work" has Hillary been doing? onecaliberal Mar 2016 #87
The hard work of continuing Obama's legacy vs calling for a course correction from an FDRJFK level YCHDT Mar 2016 #93
They should vote their conscience, but don't act like she's done so much and then say Bernie hasn't onecaliberal Mar 2016 #140
I have five things to say about this line of thinking Depaysement Mar 2016 #100
Second - no, not only about civil rights but when their minimized overtly in place of economic YCHDT Mar 2016 #110
Very sane analysis. Thanks for the words of reason. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #119
That's it in a nutshell. BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #120
For the millionth time... if Sanders' record is well known by all AAs and is considered lacking whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #122
Continuance of Obama legacy, Sanders said no to that on Chris Hayes and in rhetoric YCHDT Mar 2016 #127
Well... whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #129
Its what the DNC constituency want, that Sanders camp thought they didn't wasn't smart. They didn't YCHDT Mar 2016 #156
Are there any white, current US Congress members who have 'been a presence in the arena'? NT Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #123
Yes. Off the top of my head: EffieBlack Mar 2016 #124
What did they do which Sanders didn't which made them in the arena? NT Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #133
They have all been deeply involved in civil rights and with the African American community EffieBlack Mar 2016 #143
Tammy Baldwin? Really? jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #147
"Sanders has a longer track record BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #150
^^^This. EffieBlack Mar 2016 #165
I agree BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #166
Please. jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #168
I know very well what state Tammy Baldwin comes from EffieBlack Mar 2016 #169
My bad. I can see where I first used the phrase "black political agenda." jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #170
I don't know, black political agenda means different things to different people, but here's my take. jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #167
"I just don't personally think it's an either-or situation" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #171
Thanks for the reply. Missed it for a few days. jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #174
You need to meet my friends. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #128
I don't think that's it.... MellowDem Mar 2016 #137
"I think it's because black voters... are relatively conservative" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #145
According to AAs, they identify as conservative.... MellowDem Mar 2016 #146
Gallup Polls? BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #148
The polls are accurate IMHO MellowDem Mar 2016 #151
"IMHO" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #152
The "fact" is in what the polls say... MellowDem Mar 2016 #157
No, "what the polls say" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #160
But tracking polls aren't... MellowDem Mar 2016 #162
I took 3 semesters of calculus in college BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #163
With a narrow definition of what liberal or conservative or no definition at all. Of course I'm .. YCHDT Mar 2016 #154
No definition at all... MellowDem Mar 2016 #158
That's not a good question, most adults would think they're conservative but most adults wouldn't YCHDT Mar 2016 #159
I think it realizes... MellowDem Mar 2016 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author jfern Mar 2016 #149
Thank you EffieBlack for your eye opening OP. oasis Mar 2016 #172
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