Why is this about POC and how to get their support ? (Reply #122)

In the discussion thread: POC aren't buying the "Bernie's been fighting for you all his life so you should vote for him" claim [View all]

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Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

kacekwl (5,007 posts)

122. Why is this about POC and how to get their support ?

I say the same thing to anyone supporting Hillary. If you want things to stay the same then continue on the same path.

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POC aren't buying the "Bernie's been fighting for you all his life so you should vote for him" claim [View all]	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	OP
Truth.nt	LexVegas	Feb 2016	#1
12% of Dem voters in SC	RobertEarl	Feb 2016	#25
Good enough for a nice pile of delegates!	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#187
8%	RobertEarl	Feb 2016	#220
I suspect that the numbers are low because they expect her to be our nominee	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#222
I suspect that the other 92% don't like Hillary.	RobertEarl	Feb 2016	#223
Nope. We had half the turnout for the 08 primary that we ended up with in the GE	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#224
and guess who else is not trusted there - the one with less votes than HRC	DrDan	Feb 2016	#238
Then why didn't they vote for Bernie?	obamanut2012	Feb 2016	#242
All we can do is show them who is a better candidate	Politicalboi	Feb 2016	#2
So what would have worked?	Lucky Luciano	Feb 2016	#3
If fighting for them and us white working people isn't enough, what do they want?	brewens	Feb 2016	#13
Maybe you stop talking at them and start listening to them	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#24
Hi, I would really like to understand	AgerolanAmerican	Feb 2016	#32
We'd love to.	jeff47	Feb 2016	#56
No, you're not. We in the AA forum are very receptive to honest and respectful dialogue	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#59
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#73
I asked a question and	840high	Feb 2016	#92
Questions with zero insult or lecture get warnings.	jeff47	Feb 2016	#114
Honest and respectful dialogue. As long as it supports Hillary.	progressoid	Feb 2016	#214
That's my experience.	840high	Feb 2016	#84
I'm familiar with the won't take yes for an answer tactic. How about yourself? Where are you	brewens	Feb 2016	#123
Like Hillary does? Tell that to Ashley Williams.	Lizzie Poppet	Feb 2016	#139
Wholeheartedly agree... Like she did, and he didn't, in this vid.	JudyM	Feb 2016	#144
Great video! Thank you for the link.	Petrushka	Feb 2016	#175
Bingo	MaggieD	Feb 2016	#167
“Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk?”	arcane1	Feb 2016	#252
So, I'd start with unpacking what "fight" means	Recursion	Feb 2016	#104
Fighting means, among other things, doing something above and beyond just voting or giving	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#137
That may well be what Brewens meant; I don't know	Recursion	Feb 2016	#143
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#166
He could do those things and they would be good, but that would not be fighting for civil rights	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#179
Thank you for calling out democracy in DC!!!	Recursion	Feb 2016	#237
I think they should go with that	bigtree	Feb 2016	#4
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No, it's not a matter of opinion. It's just not true	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#15
Fine	2pooped2pop	Feb 2016	#22
Yep. Wholeheartedly agreed.	Phlem	Feb 2016	#55
Well, alrighty then	Chitown Kev	Feb 2016	#101
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#31
Casting a vote in Congress is not "fighting" no matter how much you try to so characterize it	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#65
Let's end this BS right now	Loudestlib	Feb 2016	#77
She's spent time with them. She knows them. She knows the conditions.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#78
So she has done nothing. n/t	Loudestlib	Feb 2016	#85
This isn't an answer	Joe the Revelator	Feb 2016	#134
Maybe not so meaningless. We'll see on Tuesday. The lady I paraphrased lives in AL.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#165
Ironic, since in 08 she was saying the white vote was important.	progressoid	Feb 2016	#206
That is NOT true. She has NO time for PoC.	senz	Feb 2016	#234
What would Hillary do?	All in it together	Feb 2016	#245
In other words, you can't answer the question	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#79
You can't answer mine.	Loudestlib	Feb 2016	#86
I can answer it but I don't play the deflection game.	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#95
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#112
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Bernie's record has been posted	840high	Feb 2016	#109
Casting a vote is much better than running a race baiting primary campaign against the	Chakab	Feb 2016	#97
I agree, that is why I wrote an OP about those that would divide us in the service of the wealthy as	Dragonfli	Feb 2016	#129
It's campaign politics. Extreme anger does not a result from anything that Bernie has	GoneFishin	Feb 2016	#132
His own website even admits this..check this out..	pkdu	Feb 2016	#120
Apart from being one of the very few whites to campaign to try and get Jesse Jackson to be president	Kentonio	Feb 2016	#230
that required him to go out on a limb?	Pharaoh	Feb 2016	#135
No, that's not what I mean. Voting no on the Iraq War wasn't going out on a limb	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#162
Well tell me	Pharaoh	Feb 2016	#173
I'm not sure why you think voting one's conscience is "easy."	Chef Eric	Feb 2016	#176
It's not very difficult when the majority of your constituency agrees with you.	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#182
I'm not saying it was a civil rights matter.	Chef Eric	Feb 2016	#202
Bernie's opposition to the war is not the topic of this thread	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#205
But it IS the truth	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#39
^^^ The truth of the 2016 Democratic primary ^^^	senz	Feb 2016	#231
Why is this about POC and how to get their support ?	kacekwl	Feb 2016	#122
Right he SHOULD have been fighting to cut their aid and send them to jail.	Vincardog	Feb 2016	#6
Do you think every black person is on welfare and lives in the projects?	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#23
Seems as if they think so	KingFlorez	Feb 2016	#30
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Calm down	KingFlorez	Feb 2016	#43
Yeah, right. That's what we all think.	JudyM	Feb 2016	#124
The majority would be if we followed policies advocated by one of the candidates.	Vincardog	Feb 2016	#35
that's just not true and you should consider how rude your comment is	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#41
Rude? Please enlighten me so I can improve in the future.	Vincardog	Feb 2016	#44
No, their candidate would further "reform" welfare so they wouldn't even get that - EOM	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#42
who the hell said black folks want welfare?	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#50
Oh right, none of them need it	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#57
I believe Bernie's campaign is tone deaf and some his supporters are rude	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#61
Right back atcha. - eom	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#63
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Cool.	The Midway Rebel	Feb 2016	#74
Bravo!	The Midway Rebel	Feb 2016	#71
+1	progressoid	Feb 2016	#208
No	Lazy Daisy	Feb 2016	#146
Yes, I think they do think that	MaggieD	Feb 2016	#171
kick	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#7
Whether it's 'working' or not, it's still true. People will do with it what they want.	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#8
I'd like to hear some of the stories where HILLARY fought for ANY of us.....like EVER.	virtualobserver	Feb 2016	#12
She pretends to care about black people when it matters. Apparently, that's much more important	Chakab	Feb 2016	#102
she barely even pretends	virtualobserver	Feb 2016	#106
You're right about that.	Chakab	Feb 2016	#113
Nice link, thanks.	ornotna	Feb 2016	#18
No, it's not true. And you saying it over and over again won't make it true.	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#20
Yep	2pooped2pop	Feb 2016	#27
Actually yes, straight from their own words	Arazi	Feb 2016	#54
This ^ is the real tragedy. Thank you so much for posting this. n/t	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#69
Yup.	The Midway Rebel	Feb 2016	#93
What I'm saying is, we differ in our perceptions. My perception is .	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#89
Of course you can speak your truth	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#108
I never said "my truth must be your truth". Dont' put words in my mouth.	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#119
I didn't say you are doing that. My point is that that is the attitude of many of your fellow	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#125
Sorry, but I cannot speak for other Bernie supporters.	99th_Monkey	Feb 2016	#142
Its just that much harder with the full media blackout. It means we have to work 4 times harder to	litlbilly	Feb 2016	#66
Yep we have to work twice as hard to get half as far	SwampG8r	Feb 2016	#170
I take issue with your post.	NWCorona	Feb 2016	#9
People can choose who they want.	ananda	Feb 2016	#10
You've just proved Effie's point. nt	kstewart33	Feb 2016	#40
Not at all, it really is the truth	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#46
K & R, voting is a personal choice.	Thinkingabout	Feb 2016	#11
K & R	wysi	Feb 2016	#14
K&R!	sheshe2	Feb 2016	#16
Kick & recommended.	William769	Feb 2016	#17
I Think His History Of Siding With The NRA Done Him In	Corey_Baker08	Feb 2016	#19
It is a big problem.	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#190
That has nothing to do with this issue.	senz	Feb 2016	#236
I think Black folks already have their minds made up and it doesn't matter what is said or done.	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#21
Or you could try considering the possibility that your "truth" isn't true at all	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#29
Look, you folks linked a bunch of articles which had a lot of quotes that basically indicated people	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#147
More lectures about how we don't understand what's good for us.	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#156
So...just because people are Black I can't disagree with their political choices and think they...	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#169
^^ I guess this was good post :)	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#193
Good post? That post was	Autumn	Feb 2016	#209
Kind of like white folks eh?	redstateblues	Feb 2016	#212
Considering Sanders went from 3% to 30%+ you would be incorrect.	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#219
Like everyone else, they are	nichomachus	Feb 2016	#26
Too bad they refuse to let YOU determine for them what's in their best interest	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#37
Many people of all races vote against their best interests	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#49
The white republican rednecks in SC would also say	Lucky Luciano	Feb 2016	#246
You're not "aching for answers" - you're pissed off because black voters have decided to vote	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#247
I'm not really that pissed off. I'll be fine either way.	Lucky Luciano	Feb 2016	#248
This message was self-deleted by its author	John Poet	Feb 2016	#250
I don't think that was ever a serious attempt by the campaign.	morningfog	Feb 2016	#28
Thank You	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#34
Thank you	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#52
How do you think he could address the black community without ignoring the whites?	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#192
Campaigns are much more than rallies	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#200
Maybe I'm being tonedeaf, but I'm not hearing many answers to my questions	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#215
This ^^^^^^	radical noodle	Feb 2016	#226
A refrain that I've heard again and again...	Orrex	Feb 2016	#88
As a poli-sci student, I am a firm adherent to blaming	morningfog	Feb 2016	#111
How about the meme that African American voters have done their research	Arazi	Feb 2016	#33
His record is clear and consistent, they are simply buying a falsely labeled product insteed	Dragonfli	Feb 2016	#36
great analogy	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#47
why are you not decrying her vicious attack on "the mob" lol nt	msongs	Feb 2016	#80
In order to reply, you have to make sense, your post's meaning eludes me /nt	Dragonfli	Feb 2016	#91
OK. A lot of people are voting for Trump too. And a lot for Cruz. So what?	Doctor_J	Feb 2016	#45
well	Robbins	Feb 2016	#48
Try this instead, as it's true: "Bernie's been fighting for you all his life."	elleng	Feb 2016	#51
Funny how just about the only people who seem to think this are white Bernie supporters-most of whom	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#58
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I'm a white Martin O'Malley supporter,	elleng	Feb 2016	#75
Don't buy it then.	SamKnause	Feb 2016	#53
When you phrase it like this, I will agree	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#60
Thank you	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#72
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Yes, because noticing that someone is appealing almost exclusively to white people is "bringing race	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#81
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If a black candidate only appealed to black voters, they would not be taken seriously	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#117
When it's being used as a wedge, yes it is	NWCorona	Feb 2016	#103
Yes and no	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#87
not just misunderstanding, many here flat out said people were lying that they were offended.	bettyellen	Feb 2016	#225
any suggestions?	TheFarseer	Feb 2016	#64
Bernie is fighting for everyone not just one group. Everyone!	bkkyosemite	Feb 2016	#68
Amen. Every working man and woman get's a break no matter what.	Phlem	Feb 2016	#110
Thanks for the info.	jalan48	Feb 2016	#70
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I love you	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#107
Much love to you and Effie, too! You guys are true fighters. Don't give up standing for what you	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#116
I won't ever shut this mouth	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#126
FFS	melman	Feb 2016	#128
FFS is right! ;)	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#157
It's not a "claim," it's a FACT.	ThePhilosopher04	Feb 2016	#96
"tactic"?	basselope	Feb 2016	#98
I'm black and	malletgirl02	Feb 2016	#99
You shouldn't owe an explanation. And that's the point many of us POC's have been trying to make.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#105
Actually, that's not the point. The issue is that plenty of people like the OP are actually angry	Chakab	Feb 2016	#140
Who says I'm not angry at HRC? I don't support either candidate. I've said this many times.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#153
My post was an attack on the OP's logic not you directly. Sorry, if it didn't come	Chakab	Feb 2016	#158
Ah, no worries. I understand that this primary season brings on much passion. I wish some of it	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#160
I'm not enthusiastic about this election at all. I just really don't like the Clintons, and I	Chakab	Feb 2016	#177
Unfortunately the Party decided who should be the next President, but not everyone ...	slipslidingaway	Feb 2016	#148
No one disagrees that votes should be earned. Both candidates have to earn those votes as well.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#151
The structure, like it or not, is about earning delegates and Money to run ads and buy ...	slipslidingaway	Feb 2016	#161
I'm voting because of the Supreme Court	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#115
L_S is right	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#150
Kicked up HIGH!!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#100
so why's only one candidate still have to be protested by BLM?	MisterP	Feb 2016	#118
Actually, BLM did a recent protest at one of her events.	Lancero	Feb 2016	#130
And her own reaction was both vile and revealing.	Lizzie Poppet	Feb 2016	#145
"Isn't it time to try a different tactic for attracting the black vote?"	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#121
Screw tactics. Just tell the unvarnished truth about your policies.	Lizzie Poppet	Feb 2016	#154
I actually agree with all of this, except for your last statement, which is a matter of opinion...	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2016	#159
Uh actually they are	PatrynXX	Feb 2016	#127
And rightly so. They've been sold out.	Bubzer	Feb 2016	#186
This argument is not working	Gothmog	Feb 2016	#131
Then don't believe it	AgingAmerican	Feb 2016	#133
As a Bernie supporter . . .	R. P. McMurphy	Feb 2016	#136
Thank you!	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#152
you pointedly leave something out and that is fear	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#180
Yep	MaggieD	Feb 2016	#138
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K & R	SunSeeker	Feb 2016	#149
It seems to me that most older folks	PoliticalMalcontent	Feb 2016	#155
Not all older folks are for Clinton, on the contrary many are tired of for voting for ...	slipslidingaway	Feb 2016	#164
What EXACTLY has she done?	SoapBox	Feb 2016	#163
This thread is not about Hillary. It's about Bernie	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#168
Bernie's NAACP rating is 100% for the past 25 years	jg10003	Feb 2016	#172
Thats great. But the NAACP only scores whether he voted the way they wanted on particular bills	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#185
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I think white Bernie supporters, and I'm one, should just shut up and listen.	Beowulf	Feb 2016	#178
^^^THIS THIS THIS	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#191
You are most welcome!	Beowulf	Feb 2016	#195
This message was self-deleted by its author	jg10003	Feb 2016	#213
He also has less to gain.	jg10003	Feb 2016	#216
Yes, you stated it better than I did.	Beowulf	Feb 2016	#217
Thank you	jg10003	Feb 2016	#218
Why are you so bitter? Why are you so angry at Bernie?	Nyan	Feb 2016	#181
I'm neither bitter nor angry and I've said nothing that should make you think I am	EffieBlack	Feb 2016	#183
Hmph!	Chitown Kev	Feb 2016	#198
Okay...whatever that is.	Nyan	Feb 2016	#199
Why? Because it isn't reaching those in the reddest state in the union? Gimme a break.	Bubzer	Feb 2016	#184
....and that's sad, considering the alternative especially.	Schema Thing	Feb 2016	#188
We're living in bizarre times, my fellow progressives.	TIME TO PANIC	Feb 2016	#189
Let us worry about that. You should worry about your candidate.	Elmer S. E. Dump	Feb 2016	#194
Bernie HAS been fighting for all people.	democrank	Feb 2016	#196
All people should vote their conscience, be it for Bernie, Hillary or Trump.	Autumn	Feb 2016	#197
My opinion	noretreatnosurrender	Feb 2016	#201
"POC aren't buying "	dchill	Feb 2016	#203
Broad claims in a low turnout are unwise....	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2016	#204
Hey, I've got an idea	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#207
AGAIN I will say this...AS A POC	yuiyoshida	Feb 2016	#210
Effie specifically mentioned the black vote. Why in the world do you think she's "speaking" for you?	Number23	Feb 2016	#229
Read the tittle...POC	yuiyoshida	Feb 2016	#240
It's clear that she's specifically talking about black people. No one has applied the "fighting	Number23	Feb 2016	#255
You can lead a horse to water but, you can't make 'em drink.	Hiraeth	Feb 2016	#211
Sanders has never said that.	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#221
Different tactic?	HassleCat	Feb 2016	#227
I didn't know we had a lot of Black SC voters on DU. nt	artislife	Feb 2016	#228
Word, Effie! Thank you!	Cha	Feb 2016	#232
I like Bernie, but his criticism of Hillary's "clinging" to Obama's record was a mistake	CreekDog	Feb 2016	#233
Great, another post race-baiting for Hillary. n/t	That Guy 888	Feb 2016	#235
People doubt a lot of things that are true...	TCJ70	Feb 2016	#239
k & r	obamanut2012	Feb 2016	#241
Great post	Gothmog	Feb 2016	#243
It was a slap in the face for a person's life work. Wish someone would share the real reason.	Vinca	Feb 2016	#244
Whether anyone "buys" it or not, Bernie Sanders has indeed been "fighting for you" all his life ...	Martin Eden	Feb 2016	#249
Funny thing about truth	Jester Messiah	Feb 2016	#251
Clinton propaganda has apparently worked. [n/t]	Maedhros	Feb 2016	#253
One of the reasons why Sanders is not appealing to POC voters is why I am supporting Clinton	Gothmog	Feb 2016	#254

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