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28. Its is far past time to drop the canard that dems voting for Nader gave the election to W.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:03 AM
Feb 2016

Dems voting for GWB and Liberman as VP nominee made the 2000 POTUS election close.

Voting irregularities, a bad act by the USSC, and failure to try much less stay the course by Gore the Democratic leadership gave the election to GWB.

That Nader canard is and always has been a weak excuse that says more about those that would opine such rather than reality.

Trump has the ability to make Hillary Clinton "lose it" in debate; not by policy substance but by his arrogance.

As a 1%, no doubt you are a neoliberal. The neoliberal and traditional liberal divide in the Democratic party is an issue to be solved as the political philosophies run counter except for issues of cultural and identity politics where neoliberals (such as Obama and the Clintons are as Machivellian as the neoconservatives, they just play to more educated and diverse groups). It may take an actual split in the party to solve the divide.

For the last 25 years the neoliberals in the Democratic party have ascended and have been hell bent on destroying the 20th century Democratic Party gains of the New Deal / Great Society while enhancing the power of concentrated capital and extending the global military and economic empire.

If "we" lose the 2016 election to Trump / GOP, the fault will lie solely in the lap of the neoliberal Democrats and the Democratic Party leadership that prematurely crowned Hillary Clinton the Democratic POTUS nominee.

Based upon voting history and stated policy, Sanders should be a walk-over within the Party versus Clinton.

I say this not because Bernie Sanders is my ideal candidate but that he has been the only one willing to step forward to slow the travesty of the Democratic leadership not doing a good job of representing most Democratic voters either legislatively or in getting Democrats into office.

If Clinton had not competed in 2016, we would have had a healthy range of Democratic candidates still weakened by the stranglehold of the neoliberals.

You are correct in that HRC is just a politician.

It sickens me and makes me angry to come on to DU and see the negative tones and smears. The source at DU is not GOP operatives.

That won't work. EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #1
Sounds like you are ready to accept a repub president. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #2
Clinton is corrupt & dishonest. That is on HER, not Fox. The DNC decided it was her turn. Blame THEM peacebird Feb 2016 #3
Absolutely EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #6
+2! RiverLover Feb 2016 #13
No EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #4
You are a lawyer and don't realize Clinton is corrupt and dishonest? Wow. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #5
Nope RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #11
I believe the Supreme Court gave W the presidency, not Nader votes. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #12
But for dems voting for Nader the issue would never have been before the court. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #16
Not this shit again. TM99 Feb 2016 #34
You are in the 1% so it won't affect you with either Clinton/Trump but it will with Bernie? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #17
1%'s will be fine with Bernie RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #22
A repub president will change the country. Like trade deals that wipe out the middle class & turn RiverLover Feb 2016 #18
Its is far past time to drop the canard that dems voting for Nader gave the election to W. PufPuf23 Feb 2016 #28
as a lawyer do you recognize the gaping hole between ethical and legal where Clinton dwells? azurnoir Feb 2016 #7
I don't want an R president. That is why Bernie has my vote. PotatoChip Feb 2016 #8
Nope RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #9
Well maybe you should take it up with NBC? I'm using their stats. PotatoChip Feb 2016 #14
Try this link RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #19
So you want me to go with this guy's opinion, rather than the numbers? PotatoChip Feb 2016 #24
She won the counties TM99 Feb 2016 #35
LOL! Love a good zing. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #40
Yup. Shadowflash Feb 2016 #31
Some here seem to support PP being obliterated. And abortion with it. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #10
One more time -this is PRIMARY SEASON demwing Feb 2016 #15
I am a progressive and a realist. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #20
Before we talk further, please answer my previous question demwing Feb 2016 #21
should have been "Realistic American Dem" RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #25
Perhaps we're sick of the 1% telling us what is and isn't possible Kentonio Feb 2016 #37
Very sensible. K & R nt Persondem Feb 2016 #23
Good link, thank you RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #26
I'm done voting for corrupt politicians. azmom Feb 2016 #27
Forget the politicians. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #29
I've heard all the arguments and I decided. azmom Feb 2016 #30
Yeah, we need a Democrat to nominate TM99 Feb 2016 #36
Thank you. Inexplicably, Obama floats a Pub governor as a Nay Feb 2016 #38
The DNC was so unconcerned by that fact JimDandy Feb 2016 #41
Why do you think the RWNJ's constantly attack Hillary? RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #32
I'm a white senior (I'll be 72 next Tuesday) and I don't waste my votes on neolibs. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #33
So many posters on DU who think saying 'I'm a lawyer' gives them credibility. I'm not a lawyer but Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #39
I assure you, I am. Barack_America Feb 2016 #42
How about running on expanding SS? It's good policy and good politics Broward Feb 2016 #43
Notice no one has addressed this part of the OP RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #44
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