2016 Postmortem

d_legendary1

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112. I've turned off my T.V.

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:28 PM

Feb 2016

The questioning sucks, HRC keeps going off tangents and the moderators keep letting her get away with it, and no follow up questions other than the ones that help her (Clinton: I'm gonna work on immigration reform... Balart: You mean in your first 100 days? Clinton: Uhhh....Yeah. Yeah!!!!).

This sucks. I'll watch the rest tomorrow.

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TOWN HALL THREAD PART 2 - HILLARY is UP. Please be kind to each other... [View all] bettyellen Feb 2016 OP

Audience is a joke SheenaR Feb 2016 #1

Indeed so Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #4

The audience is stacked, again Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #6

it's rigged. I can't believe how obvious MSNBC is letting that be uhnope Feb 2016 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Feb 2016 #93

I can't listen to her. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #7

I wonder if the fillibuster question was to make her appear more progressive. Gregorian Feb 2016 #13

weird demosocialist Feb 2016 #9

Discussion of Supreme Court nominations brooklynite Feb 2016 #2

Glad she voted against them. elleng Feb 2016 #26

I wish she would have pointed out that only Alito was filbustered karynnj Feb 2016 #108

you can now see stacked audience Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #3

Thought so too. elleng Feb 2016 #5

yeah, no bias there at all.... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8

Exactly! Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #236

Yep... deathrind Feb 2016 #276

they are making her look silly with this "magic wand" thing. bettyellen Feb 2016 #10

She is avoiding the question SheenaR Feb 2016 #12

I think they both need to be clearer on expectations- with current makeup of 1/3 the govt... bettyellen Feb 2016 #17

Yes she was noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #24

I'm excited to see her. I like these forums that give people more time to answer. nolabear Feb 2016 #11

seems like the mods are giving her the exact same questions... fair enough bettyellen Feb 2016 #14

but will also stacked audience Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #16

Thanks for that. I missed the start. lasttrip Feb 2016 #18

NOOOOO! It can't be! nolabear Feb 2016 #23

She also listened in on Bernie's segment.. frylock Feb 2016 #183

I guess Bernie should choose to go last next time he wins the toss? Ya live and learn. bettyellen Feb 2016 #195

I guess, but, SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #235

I'd prefer that each candidate be in an iso booth. frylock Feb 2016 #237

It's an interesting idea. I bet viewership went down after Bernie's hour. I don't see a lot of bettyellen Feb 2016 #244

I like this type of format too DesertRat Feb 2016 #15

DWS alluded to doing non debate style gatherings long before the dog and pony shows started. Skwmom Feb 2016 #19

Vague answer to the terrorist question. Gregorian Feb 2016 #20

Yeah. She basically said someone needs to figure it out. JudyM Feb 2016 #33

So Diaz is letting her reply to Sanders? What is this a one sided debate? What bullshit. Skwmom Feb 2016 #21

Pure bullshit. Punkingal Feb 2016 #27

There's no point in getting upset about it. Avalux Feb 2016 #35

+1 lasttrip Feb 2016 #49

+ 10000 nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #43

Well, I think it's MORE important that she had opportunity to LISTEN to Sanders' answers. nc4bo Feb 2016 #69

So is it clear she heard Bernie's segment? SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #94

She specifically mentioned a question posed by a Hispanic woman to Sen. Sanders. Then proceeded to nc4bo Feb 2016 #125

THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #157

Yeah, she called back to a question that Bernie was asked... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #129

That's a lot of words but no answer to the question. azmom Feb 2016 #22

Her first question was not the same as Bernie's first question. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #25

Thanks I missed the start lasttrip Feb 2016 #38

I just missed what she got the boos for. Damned cat! bettyellen Feb 2016 #28

This is so staged. What in the hell kind of Democracy is this. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #29

This is approaching North Korean levels of applause Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #56

Stacked, you say? one_voice Feb 2016 #30

Hey! Clinton got booed! brooklynite Feb 2016 #31

Much smaller crowd there for Sanders in a very close race. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #37

She just...getting booed now...attacked Bernie for attacking Obama, but it failed Gregorian Feb 2016 #32

I missed that Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #72

May have been during a fit of coughing. frylock Feb 2016 #227

Someone should ask her to hack up her speeches next time. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #279

Hey-ooooo frylock Feb 2016 #280

I have full-throated confidence in her never coughing them up. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #283

Ha Booooooo! corkhead Feb 2016 #34

It's true it's true it's true..unbelievable and vindictive. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #36

The Dem Party is okay with using his honesty and integrity to cover up for the corruption. Skwmom Feb 2016 #40

All she is doing is criticizing Bernie. Punkingal Feb 2016 #42

Yep. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #66

I already voted for Sanders cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #252

Great! SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #259

If she was able to hear Bernie's segment, SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #87

Oh my. She is up against Trump on CNN... eom Purveyor Feb 2016 #39

?? bettyellen Feb 2016 #63

Trump is doing a forum w Cooper as I type. nt Purveyor Feb 2016 #194

Oh. I just CAN'T!! LOL. Better you than me, my friend. bettyellen Feb 2016 #197

That will be played often SheenaR Feb 2016 #41

That wasn't pretty. Gregorian Feb 2016 #46

As a woman SheenaR Feb 2016 #50

that was ugly Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #52

me too. gonna check out netflix restorefreedom Feb 2016 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author lasttrip Feb 2016 #44

fuck your question, no answer Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #45

Why doesn't someone ask Hillary how the most polarizing figure in history will get anything passed. Skwmom Feb 2016 #47

I went back and looked at the Bernie thread. Hillary supporters did not dog pile with outrage. nolabear Feb 2016 #48

We are tired of these dog and pony shows which are nothing but stagecraft. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #60

Hillary is acting far different than Bernie and not Presidential at all. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #65

I'm not complaining unless they are unkind to her supporters. bettyellen Feb 2016 #71

Bernie didn't dog pile Hillary. JudyM Feb 2016 #75

I missed the first part of Bernie's portion... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #51

most answers were pivots to part of stump speeches. bettyellen Feb 2016 #59

Exactly. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #114

No. elleng Feb 2016 #74

Why are they both louder tonight? bettyellen Feb 2016 #54

JUST ELECT ME ALREADY! Gregorian Feb 2016 #55

she never expected a fight Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #61

I'm turning this off. Skwmom Feb 2016 #57

You heard the part that agreed with you; why listen to a different point of view? brooklynite Feb 2016 #70

This is attacking this is not a point of view. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #81

because it's not about POVs but about behavior & decency. this is the first time I turned her off. uhnope Feb 2016 #186

I shoulda took my butt to bed but nooooooooo, I up watching this craptasick fake debate. nc4bo Feb 2016 #92

WTF... is this demosocialist Feb 2016 #58

She says, "I won't make promises I can't keep," dchill Feb 2016 #98

Why did she want to deny license to undocument immigrants again? n/t beedle Feb 2016 #62

well, she never answered that Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #67

Because 'it used to be state by state.' elleng Feb 2016 #106

I'm done with her. Done. SheenaR Feb 2016 #64

Ya know, I think she's doing just fine. She's attacking Bernie's positions because he's her napi21 Feb 2016 #68

If a candidate is focused attacking the other it means they are worried that they are going to lose Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #82

thank you for being open minded and kind. two hallmarks of the Dem voter. *hat tip* bettyellen Feb 2016 #86

Calling Bernie not a Democrat was over the line. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #138

Her plan calls for Repubs seeing the error of their ways? beedle Feb 2016 #73

BUSTA Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #76

What in the hell was that?! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #84

Why doesn't Hillary have to stand up like Bernie? nt flamingdem Feb 2016 #77

She IS standng. nt napi21 Feb 2016 #95

She was the first to confront Trump? SheenaR Feb 2016 #79

Listen here BUSTA!! Avalux Feb 2016 #83

No, that's "Basta" which means "Enough" in Spanish. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #134

That makes it even funnier because it came off like an insult to Trump. Avalux Feb 2016 #141

It IS an insult. "Basta" used this way means "Enough out of you, jerk". nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #143

Yes I know. And it's not Spanish, it's Italian. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #153

Yes it is Spanish. And it is Italian also. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #158

It is also Spanish. bettyellen Feb 2016 #270

It's also a clear message to Latinos that she is repudiating Trump for his anti-immigration stevenleser Feb 2016 #152

It's pandering to make up for saying she'd send children back. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #156

No, it's not. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #159

Sure it is. She's a liar, you even said so yourself. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #160

Nope, it's not. And see my sig line. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #164

Latino Victory Fund didnt think so when they endorsed her stevenleser Feb 2016 #176

No, that's "Basta" which means "Enough" in Spanish. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #128

Basta!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #80

she will not answer that question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #85

There's no way she will. I hope people get what she's doing. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #89

Do you regret sending children back? SheenaR Feb 2016 #88

She's not answering the question noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #90

Send kids back to send a message? beedle Feb 2016 #91

she has a few times Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #105

transcripts Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #96

she said cut it out Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #97

25 mins until she got a tough question, but she got one. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #99

Now she's LYING. I can't take her bullshit about Wall Street. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #100

Facts noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #101

"I went to Wall St. to tell them they were wrecking the economy" beedle Feb 2016 #102

Did she just say Sanders... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #103

Yes she did noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #110

yep Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #111

No, she's obfuscating again... dchill Feb 2016 #121

She said "private organizations" firebrand80 Feb 2016 #123

If I missed the slight of hand... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #136

You were supposed to. dchill Feb 2016 #151

Desperate reaching on the Goldman transcript issue EndElectoral Feb 2016 #124

The exact same desperate reaching. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #173

No Hillary! Where were you in the 90's when the seeds fior the crash were being planted? Armstead Feb 2016 #104

This is a mixed bag of an audience. bettyellen Feb 2016 #107

She almost said, "You can take that to the bank". SamKnause Feb 2016 #109

Whoa. dchill Feb 2016 #131

I've turned off my T.V. d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #112

Balart lobbed that right over the plate glaeken777 Feb 2016 #132

That questioner is now my hero SheenaR Feb 2016 #113

Absolutely! d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #130

+1 n/t Kittycat Feb 2016 #154

It's always interesting to compare those who are building on experience with those who aren't. nolabear Feb 2016 #115

Thanks for the threads tonight bettyellen lasttrip Feb 2016 #116

Peace! And thanks for being here! bettyellen Feb 2016 #120

She's getting crushed by guy's questions on gay marriage flip flops and Goldman Sachs transcripts EndElectoral Feb 2016 #117

She responded to the gay marriage part which was only the context, not the actual question, JudyM Feb 2016 #126

Wow, did she ever ... I (almost) felt sorry for her. beedle Feb 2016 #145

She said Sanders has given speeches, too. Punkingal Feb 2016 #118

Finger wagging is not very telegenic corkhead Feb 2016 #119

Dropping a lot of names UglyGreed Feb 2016 #122

She's so popular and likable! Avalux Feb 2016 #133

You noticed that too UglyGreed Feb 2016 #140

You mean poppable and liable! dchill Feb 2016 #144

yep, shows how stacked they made it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #135

Yep stacked to the gills UglyGreed Feb 2016 #142

It's interesting to see the audience give follow up comments. bettyellen Feb 2016 #127

Q on Social Security- needs a "21 century update" what is your plan? H- No privatizing it! bettyellen Feb 2016 #137

Link to the first thread - Part 1? Matariki Feb 2016 #139

here you are! Will add to the OP- thanks! bettyellen Feb 2016 #146

merci! Matariki Feb 2016 #167

weeeellllll bedtime... demosocialist Feb 2016 #147

thank you for being here- and being kind! bettyellen Feb 2016 #148

For the THIRD time she said she'd go after Countrywide and other actors and not just banks! cascadiance Feb 2016 #149

she did not poll test the number Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #150

Emphatic "No" to raising the retirement age. Outlining the needs of physical laborers. bettyellen Feb 2016 #155

Great to hear that. one_voice Feb 2016 #162

I keep hearing Spongebob Squarepants saying, dchill Feb 2016 #161

Thank you Vegas, we're Average Death Age! Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #163

If Hillary was in fact able to listen to Bernie's segment, SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #165

She clearly did...she mentioned the woman whose husband was deported. Punkingal Feb 2016 #166

I see...Bernie's answer were a complete surprise. brooklynite Feb 2016 #168

say what? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #175

Whether she heard his part of the forum or not is irrelevant... brooklynite Feb 2016 #185

It is NOT irrelevant. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #198

Well, it appears she referenced a specific question. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #184

She mentioned the woman in the audience who addressed Bernie bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #171

of course she was Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #172

It wouldn't surprise me, but it sure as hell would sicken me. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #199

Yep. She referenced a question that one azmom Feb 2016 #269

ya know, i don't think it mattered much 0rganism Feb 2016 #291

here is a tough question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #169

Why are you so wonderful? (n/t) Mike__M Feb 2016 #177

Hillary is killing it. Forceful yet compassionate. stopbush Feb 2016 #170

Do not agree with your first paragraph..agree with your bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #182

Unions would be for Bernie if they had any sense. Punkingal Feb 2016 #191

Former Teamsters member here, supporting Hillary. stopbush Feb 2016 #201

So is Bernie going to raise taxes, or just give away free stuff? frylock Feb 2016 #273

Their MEMBERS, in large part, are. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #209

He flubbed the answers regarding women. I just don't believe he is willing to make a commitment. bettyellen Feb 2016 #267

Over and over Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #277

Yawn. He's boring. We get it. What else have you got, Bernie? stopbush Feb 2016 #278

Lol. He has a lot of people gonna vote for him. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #282

Interesting - a student who supports her asking about the "trust" issue Merryland Feb 2016 #174

and she did not answer it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #181

I heard her reply, and thought it was good. She is smeared as "establishment" because she has been bettyellen Feb 2016 #190

I think she's answering difficult questions and can't figure out how anyone thinks otherwise. nolabear Feb 2016 #202

doing stuff yes you have. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #178

the "trust deficit" ouch. she says it's a tie now, and she is focused on results and any reading bettyellen Feb 2016 #179

This event must be being held at a zoo.. dchill Feb 2016 #180

. Purveyor Feb 2016 #188

Barriers, Barriers everywhere nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #187

Clinton- free comm. college and refinance school debt/Sanders -free public college, and debt releif EndElectoral Feb 2016 #189

CA had free public universities. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #193

Hmmm. One is sincere, dchill Feb 2016 #196

Great point about Social Sec ucrdem Feb 2016 #192

Dumb-ass questioner gets an unintended pie in the face ucrdem Feb 2016 #200

Totally! He had such a regurgitated Bernie campaign question, LMAO! R B Garr Feb 2016 #249

And upChuck was beaming like a proud father. ucrdem Feb 2016 #255

what was the question? LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #266

He asked about her corporate ties and whether she could fairly represent workers. ucrdem Feb 2016 #272

Since when do ALL unions endorse her. And Kittycat Feb 2016 #285

now she supports 15, WTF Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #203

she did not say that. Let;s keep it real. bettyellen Feb 2016 #207

in answering his direction question, she said YES Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #216

She said a quick 'yes,' elleng Feb 2016 #231

so she does for some Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #240

I wouldn't put it that way elleng Feb 2016 #254

either will Bernie Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #262

Honestly- I don't think the minimum shoulld be the same in NY, NJ and Cali. Huge difference in bettyellen Feb 2016 #261

she went straight to the details of states vs Federal and said 12$ in that sentence. You posted bettyellen Feb 2016 #250

Living wage of 15$? Fed minimum to 12$ with states going higher with her support. bettyellen Feb 2016 #204

Yeah, that's bully pulpit is going to work for workers in states with Repub. governors. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #217

Thank you bettyellen! lovemydog Feb 2016 #205

thanks lovemydog- always lovely to see you here! <3 your dog too! bettyellen Feb 2016 #211

Why is Chuck MC-ing this thing ucrdem Feb 2016 #222

$12 BOOOOOO bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #206

all of the unions endorsed her, WTF? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #208

Exactly !!! SamKnause Feb 2016 #213

Establishment Union leaders -- beedle Feb 2016 #230

Well, the honchos did...... nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #223

more name dropping of the stacked audience Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #210

AFL-CIO is remaining neutral. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #214

Yea oh there she is oh there he is oh there is my friend oh oh oh bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #221

but the audience is not stacked? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #228

I guess Bernie Sanders didn't have any supporters to invite? brooklynite Feb 2016 #241

I'm for a $15 minimum wage, that's why I support a $12 minimum wage beedle Feb 2016 #212

lol Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #220

since when is diplomacy about another country "deserving" a presidential visit? Merryland Feb 2016 #224

Set it and forget it. Hillary Ronko Clinton. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #215

let's try to "be excellent" and drop the silly name calling? bettyellen Feb 2016 #226

I am unabashedly in favor of Hillary's support of women's rights. I'm sick of waiting. nolabear Feb 2016 #218

+1 Lucinda Feb 2016 #225

+yep and I SMH when people ask what she has done. bettyellen Feb 2016 #229

Is it your impression that Bernie is not going to do just as much on that as she will? JudyM Feb 2016 #248

It is my impression it is not a big enough priority for him. bettyellen Feb 2016 #253

Asked another way... Do you feel that at the end of 4 years Hillary will have accomplished more JudyM Feb 2016 #271

As a matter of fact, I do. Because it is obviously a big priority. I think Bernie is gun shy about bettyellen Feb 2016 #274

He's been supporting full progressive causes for years. I agree that Hillary has had child welfare JudyM Feb 2016 #281

that's fair. I think a lot of my opinion is formed on how long time Sanders loving friends told me bettyellen Feb 2016 #284

It's expressly part of his platform, bettyellen, check it out: JudyM Feb 2016 #287

That's interesting. Why do you think he has shied away from saying it on TV- twice? Odd that he bettyellen Feb 2016 #288

I don't know about his website, Hillary has continued to change hers a lot. I think they're both JudyM Feb 2016 #289

one major change I see is that Bernie has finally recognized that having a child can put both bettyellen Feb 2016 #290

I may not fully understand what you're saying. If minimum wage is lifted, single payer universal JudyM Feb 2016 #292

well for instance the college thing without tackling how unequal HS education is will still leave bettyellen Feb 2016 #294

Ok, got it. So it's a matter of looking at all this from a full 360 degrees cause and effect stance. JudyM Feb 2016 #296

I think there was a lot of over thoughtlessness initially in that "he helps everyone" bit, as we bettyellen Feb 2016 #297

You're a valuable voice in the DU community, don't go. A lot of us are supremely frustrated. JudyM Feb 2016 #298

I appreciate your take on the garbage. There's a lot of immaturity on display and it is off putting bettyellen Feb 2016 #299

Thank you. JudyM Feb 2016 #300

thanks Judy! It has been great getting to know you! bettyellen Feb 2016 #301

I'm unabashedly opposed to corruption. cali Feb 2016 #251

Your inability to hear me is duly noted. nolabear Feb 2016 #293

Is POTUS rewarding Cuba with a visit too quickly? bettyellen Feb 2016 #219

LOL @ the Castros can't live forever. bettyellen Feb 2016 #232

So Clinton is responsible for Democracy in Myanmar? Dretownblues Feb 2016 #233

Good answer on Cuba flamingdem Feb 2016 #234

She did well. I love seeing people flock around her. Thanks bettyellen! nolabear Feb 2016 #238

thanks you nolabear, my dear! bettyellen Feb 2016 #245

Hillary whined about having a student loan debt for 15 years ... Jarqui Feb 2016 #239

She didn't have student loan debt. There were virtually no student loans back then hedda_foil Feb 2016 #286

Well if the last five minutes is any indication she did great. ucrdem Feb 2016 #242

I like that Telemundo guy José Díaz-Balart. lovemydog Feb 2016 #243

Chuck Todd looks like Alex Jones with a better barber. ucrdem Feb 2016 #247

Not a fan of Todd. But he pushed her to promise to prioritize immigration reform, so that is good. bettyellen Feb 2016 #258

That will play well in Nevada and she probably wanted to say it ucrdem Feb 2016 #263

they all go for the gotcha. except Rachel I think, who tries to examine things in more depth.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #268

MSNBC Help noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #246

and Bernie probably got to make another speech at 10:15 in Vegas. Win-win. bettyellen Feb 2016 #257

On Townhall twitter feed noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #260

lol Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #264

I thought much the same when Bernie was talking about babies in poverty and women's bettyellen Feb 2016 #295

Ralston Tweets Jarqui Feb 2016 #256

he has some great ones Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #265

Thanks for being generally kind to each other everybody on this thread. bettyellen Feb 2016 #275