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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:02 PM

98. The problem with your question is this -

Honestly, if things were bad enough in her life that your mother, should she have chosen to abort on July 28, would probably have just tossed you in the dumpster on July 29 if she couldn't have had an abortion that day. This sort of thing happens all the time, even with "safe baby" locations where you can just leave the newborn, no questions asked.

I often use hyperbole in my arguments if they come from an emotional place, myself.

See, during the days of "therapeutic abortions", women who had access to abortions did have late term abortions because they no longer wanted to carry the child - she would be diagnosed as "emotionally unable to handle the pregnancy/suicidal", and that was that. (That was a dark secret in my father's family; I found evidence of that happening in the 1930's in the bottom of my grandmother's vital paper's lockbox when I was executrix of her estate...)
If women didn't have access to abortions, they'd just drop the infant somewhere where it wouldn't be found after it was born, walking away. Or maybe they'd pretend to be the martyr, allowing themselves to get hurt badly enough to force a miscarriage, which backfired way too often.
For whatever reason - they lost means of support, they were angry, they waited too long, they were being pressured by family honor, they were tired of being sick and afraid the pregnancy was going to kill them - they were going to get rid of the pregnancy.

Abortion is a symptom; it is always the result of an untenable pregnancy, either as a miscarriage or a medical procedure. It is not a frivolous choice of a birth control option. It is never a goal unto itself.


So...if we were to have an honest discussion concerning late term/fetal viability and supposedly "frivolous" abortions, my argument would be this - if the mother choses to terminate her pregnancy, and the fetus is viable and has no significant birth defect or abnormality, and her health is not in danger, should the state determine that they don't want late term abortions of an otherwise viable fetus, the fetus should be delivered and placed in a neo-natal clinic as a ward of the state, allowing the mother to go on her way, as is done on with the safe baby locations.
That is the humane answer to both the woman and the fetus in this so-called modern era.

The situation of the woman in late term is often dicey.
I know, I wasn't supposed to be born, but my mom's OB was on the cutting edge of 1950's medical procedures, and she was allowed to stay at the hospital the entire last month with me until they could safely do a C-section.
And my stepdaughter just went through a wretchedly miserable pregnancy with her second, bordering on critical for her health since she was mid-way through her first trimester. She is under my very excellent employer insurance, with access to doctors and medical resources that I daresay 80% of American women do not have.
If she had corporate-focused (i.e. shareholder bottom-line) or resource-poor medical care, she may have had to go through a late-term abortion, just to save her life. It was touch and go back in November/December, she was hospitalized four times for a week or so getting either her or the fetus stabilized, enough so that she almost met the commonly understood threshold for a late-term abortion. But we got her and the baby through; she delivered two weeks early last Thursday.

In both cases, there were other children and an established family that was going to be impacted should something have gone wrong. What's a mother to do in either case, especially if going through with the birth might bring enough complications to either leave her sterile, disabled or dead? Or even if it's something as "silly" (to the life at all costs believers) in that she discovered she was going to lose income or support - the means for her and any dependents to survive - due to the constraints of going to term with her pregnancy.

So you can see, the right to an abortion or some other pregnancy-termination availability is always a serious consideration for me. I always "err" on the side of choice, because without choice, and support for that choice, being concerned "about the child" over concerns of the mother carrying that child is nothing but impotent platitudes to make one look properly concerned or pious to the average person who usually doesn't have to be concerned about a bad or unwanted pregnancy in their lives. An unwanted fetus will continue to end up in service station bathrooms and dumpsters near the end of term, and women will still end up damaged or dead through self-abortion, natural or induced.

Want to ensure fewer abortions - especially late term ones? Ensure fewer unwanted pregnancies through good comprehensive sex education and access to contraceptives, and invest in a medical and financial support structure for the mother and any dependents throughout and after the pregnancy. (On edit) And that includes the option for some form of fetal abandonment, should the mother realize she just can't handle a pregnancy - for whatever reason.


Haele






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