Question not addressed to me, but I wouldn't. (Reply #487)

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delrem (9,688 posts)

487. Question not addressed to me, but I wouldn't.

But so what? I wouldn't hide most of the stuff that's hidden on DU.
I think people on all sides of all issues and supporters of all candidates misuse the jury system. Nevertheless, I do think it's a damn good system.

What you are missing here - or evading, I don't know if you're just unable to see it - is that this is a classic exercise in swiftboating, right up there in similitude with the swiftboating of Kerry. To be sure, the swiftboating of Kerry was much more serious, being used by the Republicans in a GE to win, reelecting a war mongering chickenhawk. Just remembering it makes my blood boil! BOIL, Skinner. I so hate it, I so hate that kind of politics and hate it hate it hate it when it wins. Yet that's exactly what's happening here with Capehart, Matthews, and the swiftboating DU trolls who're pushing the meme that Bernie Sanders is a fake. A liar about his commitment to social justice.

I never saw the post you refer to. But given this context I can understand a hide like that, esp. if the context were a gloating poster pushing the swiftboating ratfucking meme.

The ratfucking on this issue is intolerable. This has been going on for 8 months now. It's just now going into overdrive, what with Hillary Clinton's recent 3 page memo and the flood of money.

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565 replies	Author	Time	Post
This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]	Skinner	Feb 2016	OP
The photgrapher himself debunked it.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#1
If a number of other people who were there believe this was someone named Bruce Rappaport...	Skinner	Feb 2016	#9
The photographer addresses that too...	bunnies	Feb 2016	#13
People are justifiably upset that Bernie's civil rights record is being questioned.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#32
Rappaport's wife said she couldn't be sure.	cali	Feb 2016	#51
and Lyon took the photo in question	CoffeeCat	Feb 2016	#98
xcellant job	questionseverything	Feb 2016	#161
I feel like i did when Kerry didn't properly sue the swiftboaters for slander as well...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#219
In Bernie's place, I would ask a lawyer to write each journalist or person who disseminated	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#271
+ a brazillion! nt	tblue37	Feb 2016	#557
He would undoubtedly lose	mythology	Feb 2016	#468
I sincerely hope Skinner re-check's the TIME Article for the update	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#446
Honestly... I have no idea.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#61
I appreciate your honesty.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#108
Exactly. Hashed out and then dropped.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#115
Except for the fact that a few DU members had their posts hidden for taking a side.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#117
True enough. And thats unfortunate.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#124
It is unfortunate. You are very kind to say so.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#260
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#222
The photographer found more photos of Bernie at the SAME event. SAME exact clothing	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#138
yes so we do know the whole thing is a smear	questionseverything	Feb 2016	#166
The real question is who is behind this Rovian smear	EndElectoral	Feb 2016	#340
who does it benefit? once that is answered the actual henchmen doesn't matter so much	questionseverything	Feb 2016	#356
Skinner, please go to this page.	hedda_foil	Feb 2016	#343
You are being disingenuous	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#450
He was the SNCC official photographer. its his job to know	Arazi	Feb 2016	#64
Really good point	cali	Feb 2016	#66
He had to correctly identify people or he wouldn't have that job	Arazi	Feb 2016	#77
the photographer provides other photos of Sanders wearing the exact same clothes on his website.	femmedem	Feb 2016	#104
Looking at that group of four images, especially the one on the lower right...	ladyVet	Feb 2016	#431
Have you seen the several other photos from the same day?	jberryhill	Feb 2016	#223
There is another photo on another thread that shows Bruce had on a light colored sweater,	onecaliberal	Feb 2016	#229
You have to be kidding, right?	mikehiggins	Feb 2016	#331
Oh my, who to believe	Aerows	Feb 2016	#416
I'm assuming you know who Lyon is	cali	Feb 2016	#27
Under the 2nd pic, the one with the chancellor is a comment by the photographer.	madfloridian	Feb 2016	#40
I made my own post about this because it is super serious issue, questioning a candidate's honesty.	madfloridian	Feb 2016	#126
Yes, well, there are sides we can take now	Oilwellian	Feb 2016	#150
It is the contention of many, that Sanders is being Swiftboatted	CoffeeCat	Feb 2016	#125
Punctuated by John Lewis' comments on Bernie yesterday. This is a coordinated attack.	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#152
I agree 100%. The Clintons will do anything to get elected. Politics at its worst.	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#248
I hate that they drag otherwise good people into participating in their skulduggery.	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#262
Yes it is.	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#453
^^That^^	onecaliberal	Feb 2016	#232
--	geologic	Feb 2016	#363
Had Kerry been running instead of Sanders	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#472
According to the discussion on MSNBC last night this was a recent change.	dogman	Feb 2016	#137
Yes, the U of Chi changed the caption two years ago..but	K Gardner	Feb 2016	#185
No, we can only assume that Clinton supporters will lie to smear Bernie.	Motown_Johnny	Feb 2016	#210
I'm so disappointed in Skinner for this OP in light of the	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#113
It sure means this issue isn't nothing	Arazi	Feb 2016	#131
I'm not sure how many photos and	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#145
^Bingo^ nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#389
And then refusing to admit he's wrong when faced with the proof	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#455
I have to agree.	chervilant	Feb 2016	#341
Capehart tweets he has NOW interviewed the photographer..	K Gardner	Feb 2016	#220
That was 7 hours ago how slow does Capehart type	krawhitham	Feb 2016	#449
It wasn't	EdwardBernays	Feb 2016	#2
Actually, he provided 4 more photos of him at the same event.	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#10
Wearing the same clothes.	Octafish	Feb 2016	#328
To paraphrase George Costanza...	dchill	Feb 2016	#69
And the Smear keeps on giving	Iggy Knorr	Feb 2016	#101
It has not been debunked.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#3
You havent seen the photgraphers blog?	bunnies	Feb 2016	#5
Not convinced. I have no idea whose wordpress that is or exactly what they were trying to say	bravenak	Feb 2016	#12
Come on.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#18
Maybe they do not know as well as the classmates and wife of bruce Rappaport?	bravenak	Feb 2016	#26
So he stole Bernies clothes and tricked the photgrapher?!	bunnies	Feb 2016	#35
Had Bernie claimed it was himself? No	bravenak	Feb 2016	#45
Why should he? nt	bunnies	Feb 2016	#49
Exactly. Because it was Bruce Rappaport.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#52
Honestly Bravenak...	bunnies	Feb 2016	#72
Thank you. No. I dont.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#89
Im glad we agree on that damn photo.	bunnies	Feb 2016	#97
Apparently you do.	bvf	Feb 2016	#321
Umm hmm	bravenak	Feb 2016	#323
Stop bringing race into everything.	Boudica the Lyoness	Feb 2016	#509
What's the old saying?	bvf	Feb 2016	#529
word.	SixString	Feb 2016	#545
Stop worrying about what I do.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#556
So...the SNCC staff photographer goes under the bus.	jeff47	Feb 2016	#36
Oh so lets just throw Rappaports wife undet the bus?	bravenak	Feb 2016	#38
Hey, I'm not the one suddenly having to change my standards.	jeff47	Feb 2016	#41
Did bernie say that was himself?	bravenak	Feb 2016	#48
His shoes did.	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2016	#193
Shoes cannot talk	bravenak	Feb 2016	#195
Give it up. That's Bernie.	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2016	#382
Video --->	Petrushka	Feb 2016	#242
He doesn't say that there even	bravenak	Feb 2016	#246
You mock us for H.A. Goodman.	Rocky the Leprechaun	Feb 2016	#415
Not really since I never really discuss HA Goodman on this site	bravenak	Feb 2016	#417
Please make this it's own thread!	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#259
At my age, I have neitherthe time nor the patience to start such a thread . . . so . . .	Petrushka	Feb 2016	#327
Didn't Bernie state he didn't think this was his picture?	Sheepshank	Feb 2016	#253
I think he was not sure because he and bruce looked alike	bravenak	Feb 2016	#256
Bernie didn't take the picture. Lyon did and he says it's Bernie. nt	valerief	Feb 2016	#63
Still doubt it???? nt	Logical	Feb 2016	#559
Not really he said it was himself like I wanted. He knows himself best. Bruce is dead. Cant talk.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#560
It's his blog. Geez.	Fawke Em	Feb 2016	#22
Bruce Rappaports wife says it's Bruce	bravenak	Feb 2016	#29
Bruce Rappaport's wife didn't take the picture. Danny Lyon did, and he says it's Bernie.	valerief	Feb 2016	#91
And Bruce is conveniently dead.	Fawke Em	Feb 2016	#103
Did the photog know bernie and bruce as well as their classmates or Wives? No	bravenak	Feb 2016	#109
Danny Lyon was the student group's photographer. He knew who was who.	JimDandy	Feb 2016	#392
I think i just cannot think about this photo anymore today	bravenak	Feb 2016	#393
I hear you.	JimDandy	Feb 2016	#394
I wonder if the photog is a Bernie supporter?	CorkySt.Clair	Feb 2016	#197
It wouldn't matter if they were supporters.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#200
Agreed	CorkySt.Clair	Feb 2016	#203
Oh her poor facebook if it gets found.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#206
There are FOUR other pictures of Berne, taken at the same time, and he is wearing the	tblue37	Feb 2016	#558
link?	frylock	Feb 2016	#226
Oh jeeze.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#239
No link?	frylock	Feb 2016	#247
Not good enough, Danny!	bunnies	Feb 2016	#46
You need to stop.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#67
But it gets so much attention!!	arcane1	Feb 2016	#79
Look at all the hearts!	frylock	Feb 2016	#227
Lol!	JudyM	Feb 2016	#346
It's like "I know you are, but what am I?"	JudyM	Feb 2016	#348
As soon as we stop talking about this photo	bravenak	Feb 2016	#96
You didn't have to weigh in on it, but the	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#111
I know. I just am watching this feeling sad.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#116
Hey how about we talk about American issues	Boudica the Lyoness	Feb 2016	#511
Indeed. eom	John Poet	Feb 2016	#281
LOL. You've got to be kidding.	lovemydog	Feb 2016	#489
Opinions vary.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#490
Yes they do.	lovemydog	Feb 2016	#491
You are not convinced	abakan	Feb 2016	#213
Oh? My job is skepticism. I do my job.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#217
That's one word for it. [nt]	Jester Messiah	Feb 2016	#269
I won't even click when someone	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#369
You are smart	bravenak	Feb 2016	#373
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/bernie-sanders-leads-1963-sit-in/	dogman	Feb 2016	#4
I think Bernie is in the bottom right corner of that picture	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#6
That is what I unserstood too	bravenak	Feb 2016	#14
The photographer says Bernie was the speaker.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2016	#19
Not really. People who knew them both said it's Rappaport. The photos I posted clearly show	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#21
Then how come the photographer who took the photo says it's Bernie?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2016	#28
Because they both look a lot alike and even dressed similarly. But if that top photo is Bernie,	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#37
I'm looking at a copy of the photo in my copy of Outsider in the White House	retrowire	Feb 2016	#102
And people who knew them both say it's Bernie.	Fawke Em	Feb 2016	#56
If you truly dont think the guy seated is Bernie, then cool.	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#60
They were both there wearing the exact same clothes down to the tassels on the shoes?	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#70
Did you look at the two pictures?	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#78
And the guy seated IS Bernie and the guy standing, wearing the EXACT SAME CLOTHES	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#99
Clearly not	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#458
Most people sit down at some point.	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#73
They do no such thing	dreamnightwind	Feb 2016	#75
No, it doesn't "clearly" show that	demwing	Feb 2016	#199
The two photos floating around from the photographers site were not taken the same day	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#205
There's a third photo from same day. Same shoes same clothes hair a little longer.	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#216
Photo of Bruce Rappaport. No way that photo is him. Rappaport has what is called a weak chin	Autumn	Feb 2016	#335
Bernie / Not Bernie	demwing	Feb 2016	#304
I agree. The man seated looks like Bernie.	kcr	Feb 2016	#252
Fascinating	Trajan	Feb 2016	#562
This message was self-deleted by its author	jberryhill	Feb 2016	#84
Rappaport stole Bernies clothes and tricked the photgrapher??	bunnies	Feb 2016	#25
No.	Hell Hath No Fury	Feb 2016	#30
We have a photo with both guys in it. Only one of them looks like the undisputed photo of Bernie	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#43
Take off the Hillary colored glasses	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#460
the speaker uses Bernie's hand gestures	eShirl	Feb 2016	#50
Did you look at the pictures?	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#57
Yes I looked at the pictures, and I see the opposite.	eShirl	Feb 2016	#447
Who owns the sweater with the stretched-out collar? Worn in both pictures.	valerief	Feb 2016	#76
Two guys cant have boat necked sweaters? That is a stretch.	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#83
EXACTLY MY POINT, LOL, thank you	K Gardner	Feb 2016	#114
Where oh where do you see Bernie seated in your bottom pic.	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#106
The bottom right of top picture	Politicalboi	Feb 2016	#112
LOL You are correct. The bottom right of the second photo!	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#118
I admit that is possible	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#134
I'm just looking at faces and the faces match up for me. And in the end they were both there	Lucinda	Feb 2016	#149
Not me	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#159
The guy on the bottom right is smoking a cigarette.	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#156
The man (Bernie) standing in both of those photos is wearing identical clothing	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#358
These photos were taken on two different days and places. Both are of Bernie	JimDandy	Feb 2016	#366
Fascinating	Trajan	Feb 2016	#561
Here	Arazi	Feb 2016	#7
the link to the article	virtualobserver	Feb 2016	#8
Here:	cali	Feb 2016	#11
Thank you.	840high	Feb 2016	#74
Yeah Bernie has always been the type of guy	UglyGreed	Feb 2016	#15
The photographer who took the photos says it was Bernie.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2016	#16
Additional/supporting material from the photographer - the clincher in my view	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#17
I agree	deutsey	Feb 2016	#92
But can we really trust this photographer to tell the truth!	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#139
LOL - Have you seen this ?	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#175
TY. This whole thread is a comedy in motion.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#481
Yeah, because the photographer wasn't there	MissDeeds	Feb 2016	#285
Are those all supposed to be the same guy?	CajunBlazer	Feb 2016	#212
The photographer has explained this at length, the 'journalists' who did not ask him first need to	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#20
+1 n/t	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#65
+1000!	valerief	Feb 2016	#94
Skinner doesn't care to answer you	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#218
The intention seems to be in keeping this in perpetual "we'll never know" mode.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#330
I had a long e mail talk with Madfloridian	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#334
Transparent.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#390
The derp is all over this "issue".	Warren Stupidity	Feb 2016	#257
Time was asking random classmates who weren't at the event	Chathamization	Feb 2016	#344
Yep.	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#443
It looks like him to me.	libtodeath	Feb 2016	#23
The tassels on the shoes. Please see my post here:	yodermon	Feb 2016	#24
Yep. There are many details which by themselves prove nothing	LittleBlue	Feb 2016	#47
Clearly a distinguishing feature	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#58
Supporting documentation: Chicago Trib, January 14, 1964	MgtPA	Feb 2016	#31
Lists Bernie right there, arrested August 12 at 74th and Lowe.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#59
And charged with resisting arrest!	MgtPA	Feb 2016	#80
Jonathan Capehart who is claiming to be the authority on this event was not born until 1967	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#86
Capehart needs to apologize. Now.	MgtPA	Feb 2016	#93
As do other nefarious characters...	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#143
Yeah, like Skinner	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#461
Capehart needs to be fired for this yellow journalism	me b zola	Feb 2016	#146
Does he have to refund Brock's check?	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#158
I'm sure they meant to type Bruce Rappaport instead of Bernie Sanders.	valerief	Feb 2016	#87
Yes. Wait till they change that newsblurb too. Suddenly poor deceased Rappaport	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#105
HERE	valerief	Feb 2016	#33
Short answer: It hasn't been debunked. nt	Cali_Democrat	Feb 2016	#34
Danny Lyon	IllinoisBrenel	Feb 2016	#44
He also says he's in the picture that he says he took.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#235
read for comprehension. nt	grasswire	Feb 2016	#353
Back i the film camera days, the had a gadget called shutter release cable.	intheflow	Feb 2016	#376
la la la la la la la la la la la la	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#463
John Lewis is challenged on his memory and accused of brain damage.	LexVegas	Feb 2016	#39
No. He isn't taken just at his word. His observation is taken seriously because	LittleBlue	Feb 2016	#55
Nobody is accusing John Lewis of anything nefarious.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2016	#129
Reced for exposure. n/t	PoliticAverse	Feb 2016	#42
If I am on a jury I will vote to leave the original post alone.	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2016	#53
Why am I not surprised?	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#464
I don't know	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2016	#500
Sorry if I tend to believe the PHOTOGRAPHER	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2016	#54
Skinner doesn't care to answer you	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#128
Skinner and I are in almost no talkng terms	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2016	#133
I used to expect more of Skinner	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#136
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#141
Built DLC's website.	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#162
At this point it is a screaming secret	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2016	#163
This has been an eye-opening thread.	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#265
I'm right there with you.	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#268
Add me to that growing list	dorkzilla	Feb 2016	#286
The jury is in:	neverforget	Feb 2016	#352
LOL!	dorkzilla	Feb 2016	#355
The alerter's thin-skinned cowardice is matched only by their illiteracy :) n/t	arcane1	Feb 2016	#357
i think "scrupples" are what they make	dorkzilla	Feb 2016	#379
"I thought the man had more scruples than that"	Mosby	Feb 2016	#367
okay, you are wrong	dorkzilla	Feb 2016	#384
Ok, you're wrong.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#398
really? link it up then.	Mosby	Feb 2016	#402
lol yourself.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#408
You have just observed the cat in the Matrix	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#336
This is not the first time. nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#433
Wait! What? Who built the DLC's website?	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#165
Well, why do you believe that Skinner won't answer.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#148
he does have a motive. He is a Hillary supporter. Until now he has done a pretty decent job of	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2016	#155
...	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#164
I'm glad he has a lot of hearts for his fundraiser	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#176
You're a little late to the party with this:	Squinch	Feb 2016	#62
I'm debunking it with my eyeballs. There are at least 6 pictures from that sit in	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#68
Exactly, 6 pictures with consistent details e.g shoes. n/t	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#100
Shoes, sweater with stretched out neck, collar, same exact clothes.	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#119
Watching them say, "Well, yeah, but, maybe that other guy had the	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#135
Not a rabbit hole. It's straight forward swiftboating,	delrem	Feb 2016	#473
Yeah, the "well, no matter which candidate you support, let's all group-hug	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#505
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#71
Why didn't the 'journalists' ask Lyons in the first place?	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#81
^Bingo.^ nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#440
Bernie has photos of himself in the "50th Anniversary March on Washington" video I just posted	Donkees	Feb 2016	#82
I know you have tried to stay unbiased, but I think your bias is showing a little here.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2016	#85
DU users themselves could probably research its legitimacy if the posts weren't immediately hidden.	MadDAsHell	Feb 2016	#88
Do you believe the photographer was careless on identifying the subjects of his work?	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#90
You have a lot of evidence in this thread, especially from links to	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#95
It is Rovian	deutsey	Feb 2016	#132
Look at the neck of the sweater..	K Gardner	Feb 2016	#107
Sanders has not said it is him.	NCTraveler	Feb 2016	#110
Where's a link to Sanders statement on this photo? I've not seen it.	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#272
I've not seen it either. Nt	NCTraveler	Feb 2016	#316
I think if you saw a comment from Sanders it is probably more likely referring to this photo...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#337
As I said, I haven't seen him comment. Nt	NCTraveler	Feb 2016	#362
The photographer who took the picture says that it's Bernie.	Autumn	Feb 2016	#120
Gee, I posted the fact that this was discussed by Chris Matthews last night and had it hidden...	brooklynite	Feb 2016	#121
I saw that. (nt)	Skinner	Feb 2016	#123
Can you undo these hides?	mcar	Feb 2016	#140
Some of us have enormous respect for Danny Lyon.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#142
This message was self-deleted by its author	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#172
Wow, I saw that Matthews piece last night and posted	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#307
you seriously believe a professional photographer doesn't know who he photographed?	magical thyme	Feb 2016	#122
^This^ nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#441
Was this a 'Single White Female' situation?	Fronkonsteen	Feb 2016	#127
Stuff about Danny Lyon, whom you are all smearing....	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#130
I think I just did that.	madfloridian	Feb 2016	#144
This whole attack smacks of SWIFTBOATING...	ReallyIAmAnOptimist	Feb 2016	#147
Cast doubt on a man's life story and integrity, steal his past from him--	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#153
No, we don't have "The Washington Post". We have Capehart who has now reduced...	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#151
so is it resolved now????	kgnu_fan	Feb 2016	#154
.	me b zola	Feb 2016	#157
That is definitely Sanders.	Beartracks	Feb 2016	#198
It slays me that anybody who puroports to be liberal would attempt to diminish another	me b zola	Feb 2016	#361
Yep. No doubt in my mind it is Bernie.	azmom	Feb 2016	#448
I'm really curious if you got the info you were looking for and your assessment of it.	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#160
See my discussion with bunnies at the top of this thread.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#171
here are other photos from the same event	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#173
Skinner doesn't care	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#181
I'm wondering something else	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#182
Maybe its an infectious disease of	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#188
Jury results	zeemike	Feb 2016	#224
One Headlight	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#250
But you pulled on Superman's cape.	zeemike	Feb 2016	#282
I just threw the Iching	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#289
There is always irony in the Iching.	zeemike	Feb 2016	#298
Well the Iching is 64 bit technology from the ancients	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#308
The personality cult and assorted flypaper posts	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#470
Tantrum results.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#397
You actually made me stop and think,	delrem	Feb 2016	#480
Yes, I think DU is being used as a petri dish.	delrem	Feb 2016	#478
^^^^^That. Right there. What you said! ^^^^^^	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#547
If it turns out that Brock and the Hillary campaign did this	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#548
Well... maybe Bernie lent Rappaport that sweater, shirt, shoes, watch, glasses, and book	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#191
and his face too I dunno maybe Capehart thinks	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#194
Bruce Rappaport is the guy in the light sweater to left of bernie.	juxtaposed	Feb 2016	#299
Could you please explain how Rappaport got into Bernie's clothes? Did you look at the	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#179
Everyone give a heart to the site	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#183
Not only did he get into Bernie's clothes,	historylovr	Feb 2016	#280
No benefit of doubt to the photographer?	madfloridian	Feb 2016	#190
No--the final conclusion is it's a rorschach test, open to interpretation.	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#202
No "benefit of doubt" necessary.	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#444
weasel words nt	PaulaFarrell	Feb 2016	#302
I believe that you are being disingenuous with that statement.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#406
Going with the FUD strategy?	stranger81	Feb 2016	#451
I'd like you to update your answer since so much information	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#467
Intellectually dishonest of you to stick with that.	TDale313	Feb 2016	#533
Yesterday, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#539
Results	LiberalArkie	Feb 2016	#540
I was #6	MrMickeysMom	Feb 2016	#542
Wow i never thought i would see this day	SwampG8r	Feb 2016	#167
+1. sad day	lasttrip	Feb 2016	#237
Truthfully, there is no evidence that Sanders was NOT at that meeting.	Hoyt	Feb 2016	#168
How do we know that she might not evolve BACK to the anti-civil rights work...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#293
Warren was a GOPer much longer than Clinton. I think Clinton's history is clear.	Hoyt	Feb 2016	#297
Warren being in the GOP isn't the issue. The issue in this thread is Bernie's civil rights record..	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#342
Here are other photos from the same event	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#169
Anyone who criticizes or challenges Bernie is by definition a liar	BainsBane	Feb 2016	#170
You are a funny one...	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#174
More made-up bullshit.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#228
Provide me one example	BainsBane	Feb 2016	#236
That's not what you posted.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#240
LOL. I didn't think you could.	BainsBane	Feb 2016	#249
What confuses me is we have to put up with thread after thread of rightwing	randys1	Feb 2016	#274
And yet you are trashing not just Bernie but Danny Lyon who is an artist	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#296
Who is trashing him? Surely you do NOT mean me?	randys1	Feb 2016	#313
Well you are playing the 'all people are saying is they can't tell who it is, why hide that' crap.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#324
No, what I said was we have ENDLESS threads with rightwing memes about emails	randys1	Feb 2016	#325
Right again! Anyone who dares question Bernie	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#515
Oh ffs!	TDale313	Feb 2016	#534
It appears there were two Bernies and now it seems two photographers, from the photographer	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#177
He never claims that he is in the shot only identifying the person in the corner who some are claiming	Luminous Animal	Feb 2016	#184
THREE photographers.	OilemFirchen	Feb 2016	#186
Two of which are Lyons:	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#196
I'll attribute it to poor writing.	OilemFirchen	Feb 2016	#211
Lyons is the only witness we have so far and his testimony is contradictory.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#215
He has to be in the room in order to take the picture. People are thus near him. n/t	arcane1	Feb 2016	#233
He says he's IN the picture that he took.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#238
I think you are misreading what he is saying.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#241
He says a friend is "next to me in the picture" that he says he took.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#255
Which person in the photo is him?	arcane1	Feb 2016	#263
If he's behind the camera, he's not "in the picture."	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#267
He's not saying he is "in the picture". He's saying the person near him is in the picture.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#273
Those are his words. nt	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#275
Next to me in the picture can mean close lower right in the corner in the foreground .	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#276
I'd give up if I were you. This poster is being deliberately obtuse.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#278
Not unless he's using a fisheye lens and he isn't.	ucrdem	Feb 2016	#283
Yeah, as I typed it I thought about the time frame.	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#291
Cameras have nifty little devices that help you do self photos	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#469
Change the punctuation with, perhaps, a couple more commas, viz:	Petrushka	Feb 2016	#312
Does it matter?	Armstead	Feb 2016	#178
That wasn't Hillary greeting the girl on the tarmac in Bosnia.	thesquanderer	Feb 2016	#208
It's a journalism thing.	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#383
I don't think they should be hidden. But this whole thing is bullshit	Armstead	Feb 2016	#386
JOURNALISM!	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#400
I hate to admit this...But that's what I do in real life	Armstead	Feb 2016	#410
Oh please.	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#422
We both agree it is a nothingburger...Let's just leave it at that	Armstead	Feb 2016	#423
Except the hides.	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#428
I already said I agree with you about the hides	Armstead	Feb 2016	#432
Done!	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#434
Thank you.	femmedem	Feb 2016	#530
As I see it	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#180
Wow bringing out the big guns to make sure that	berningman	Feb 2016	#187
I see flames. Nonetheless, I'll opine here too.	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2016	#189
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#192
^^^THIS^^^	beam me up scottie	Feb 2016	#230
Same dudes...	Hell Hath No Fury	Feb 2016	#201
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#204
Swift-boating Rovian ratfucking is what this is all about.	delrem	Feb 2016	#207
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? n/t	n2doc	Feb 2016	#209
He doesn't care any more	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#221
I really am shocked	n2doc	Feb 2016	#251
I use to think	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#264
I agree! I'll be reassessing as well.	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#266
Hey Skinner...	OilemFirchen	Feb 2016	#214
Have you bothered to find out what you obviously don't know about Danny Lyon?	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#225
If this isn't Bernie Sanders then who's been stealing his clothes	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#231
Next people will be saying he's not Rick.	Bad Dog	Feb 2016	#234
I have it on good authority	Fronkonsteen	Feb 2016	#243
Hey, leave me out of this!	Flying Squirrel	Feb 2016	#270
Not answering the replies is an answer in and of itself	Babel_17	Feb 2016	#244
Hit & Run	jberryhill	Feb 2016	#375
Kicking for exposure.	frylock	Feb 2016	#245
I think the whole photograph thing is called the kitchen sink. Hillary and her superpacs will do	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#254
Kicking for exposure n/t	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#258
The jury system works	Flying Squirrel	Feb 2016	#261
This message was self-deleted by its author	Skinner	Feb 2016	#277
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#279
Please share.	seaotter	Feb 2016	#288
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#290
I'm not arguing that the person in the photo isn't Bernie Sanders.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#292
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#294
Which is why he's needed to keep it "disputed"	jberryhill	Feb 2016	#381
You're in a tight spot because the MSM is telling us we're not seeing what we are seeing.	Vinca	Feb 2016	#306
This is certainly a key thing	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#497
We all get to have our own opinions but we don't get to make up our own facts.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#309
Oh, they did their jobs all right! But their job wasn't objective journalism n/t	arcane1	Feb 2016	#326
I think somebody has said repeatedly in ATA in regard to the jury system	Goblinmonger	Feb 2016	#310
Perhaps too many Hillary posters are getting their	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#486
Shameful post	Ichingcarpenter	Feb 2016	#314
YES! because people are using this nontraversy to smear a good man!	Hassin Bin Sober	Feb 2016	#322
The reason I bring this up...	Skinner	Feb 2016	#351
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Feb 2016	#359
I dunno.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#407
So you are comfortable with juries hiding this if it is posted? (nt)	Skinner	Feb 2016	#409
I'm comfortable with people 'taking their chances'.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#411
If you were on a jury would you vote to hide it? (nt)	Skinner	Feb 2016	#412
I haven't been yet.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#414
How about if the post said this:	Skinner	Feb 2016	#421
Look, if you're looking for a reason to try	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#424
Im not trying to call you unreasonable.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#429
Question not addressed to me, but I wouldn't.	delrem	Feb 2016	#487
In the current context?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#499
We expect Republicans to swiftboat and ratfuck Dems.	delrem	Feb 2016	#564
And that's why DUers are understandably angry.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#488
"would get their posts hidden simply for sharing an article from a mainstream news source"	joshcryer	Feb 2016	#501
Facts trump opinions.	SalviaBlue	Feb 2016	#350
Obama's birthplace is "in dispute"	jberryhill	Feb 2016	#378
so you are OK with conspiracy theories now	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#471
Hasn't this site had purges of individuals in the past	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#477
Yes they have	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#479
I was being rhetorical, but TY all the same.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#482
That for me was the worst	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#483
There's been a few hides here tonight.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#484
Here's the thing, man.	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#284
Adding my +1000 before the attempted /or hide.	MerryBlooms	Feb 2016	#301
"approached the Sanders phenomenon as a problem to be "solved""	arcane1	Feb 2016	#305
Because of the internet warriors who keep circulating	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#317
Sure.	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#332
It makes a difference to the extent his campaign is	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#360
Translation:	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#365
Ha, that's funny, considering this whole phony conspiracy	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#395
This crap about the photo has been going on for longer than that.	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#399
Hardly. This became an "issue" since the John Lewis	R B Garr	Feb 2016	#404
Again ... Fascinating	Trajan	Feb 2016	#563
!! ^^^^ This ^^^^^ !!	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2016	#318
Well said. nt	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2016	#339
Nailed it!	neverforget	Feb 2016	#349
superb.	NRaleighLiberal	Feb 2016	#465
Absolutely. People are tired of dirty "Machievellian" politics	newthinking	Feb 2016	#495
Partial Bio- Danny Lyon, photographer	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#287
Thank you for discussing the passionate work of Danny Lyon.	myrna minx	Feb 2016	#403
I can't believe this post was alerted on, 1-6 to leave. nt	betsuni	Feb 2016	#295
It's always been considered fair to game the refs...	catnhatnh	Feb 2016	#300
It's the Rodney King Video Syndrome: What you see is not what you get, sez the jury.	Eleanors38	Feb 2016	#303
YIKES! There really are TWO of THEM...	Mike Nelson	Feb 2016	#311
So "true" is now the gold standard of civility?	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2016	#315
Bernie & Super Tues in Texas	TBF	Feb 2016	#319
It was Bernie	Gore1FL	Feb 2016	#320
Agitating for Justice and Freedom With a Camera- story with 9 photos by Danny Lyon	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2016	#329
'that may not be Bernie in the photo..." "I based my decision on credible information..."	islandmkl	Feb 2016	#333
I'm just posting to say I was in this thread.	Starry Messenger	Feb 2016	#338
LOL	SalviaBlue	Feb 2016	#354
I was here, too.	greatauntoftriplets	Feb 2016	#372
Same here	Milestone	Feb 2016	#385
Welcome to DU, Milestone! (Well, posting at DU anyway)	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#388
Yeah, it sure reminds me of a certain something..... nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#435
Hi guys	rbrnmw	Feb 2016	#437
I want my money back	iwillalwayswonderwhy	Feb 2016	#345
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#368
In lieu of DU hearts, I suggest people make donations to Bernie in honor of DU. nt	Live and Learn	Feb 2016	#370
+1	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#485
Here -Here is his blog. There is a link to contact him - Go ahead & ask him if he is a liar.	jillan	Feb 2016	#347
I think there are too many..	one_voice	Feb 2016	#364
I like the little trashcan thingy	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#391
Hard to believe you are adding to the cesspool that this meme has become. nt	Live and Learn	Feb 2016	#371
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#374
You looking for pizza, dude?	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#377
With--	geologic	Feb 2016	#380
Take a deep breath. Walk away for a while.	MelissaB	Feb 2016	#387
lol...	one_voice	Feb 2016	#396
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#401
Dropping in to say "Kudzu - it's going places..."	alittlelark	Feb 2016	#405
Skinner, who do you believe	Aerows	Feb 2016	#413
He's just been posting on this thread	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#418
I want to hear what he thinks.	Aerows	Feb 2016	#420
I think it is probably Bernie Sanders.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#419
The photgrapher says it's him.	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#425
"And the thought of hiding that alternate belief of it is posted here concerns me."	wildeyed	Feb 2016	#426
Is this like	Aerows	Feb 2016	#427
You have more information	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#430
Yes, I have read all of the posts in this thread.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#439
What "loose ends"?	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#442
Jeff Weaver just confirmed it's Bernie	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#445
Some explanation for the fact that...	Skinner	Feb 2016	#452
Please. This whole thing is crazy.	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#456
Crazy as flypaper in a chicken coup.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#475
I think bernie is being swift boated	DoBotherMe	Feb 2016	#454
^^^^	Bread and Circus	Feb 2016	#457
If it is	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#459
Thanks for the open mind!	Dustlawyer	Feb 2016	#506
"And the thought of hiding that alternate belief of it is posted here concerns me." Why...	Humanist_Activist	Feb 2016	#466
Censoring the truth is unhealthy for Democracy. Censoring deliberate lies made up by propagandists	Zorra	Feb 2016	#436
Well, let's look at this in an analytical way and examine two photos:	The Straight Story	Feb 2016	#438
You've convinced me.	Skinner	Feb 2016	#462
Skinner, many have complained about the jury system for years	Oilwellian	Feb 2016	#476
+1 DU was better when there were moderators	Matariki	Feb 2016	#526
OMFG Skinner finally is unhappy about hidden posts. Gee, wonder what is different this time.	CBGLuthier	Feb 2016	#503
Maybe one of his favorite socks or trolls got a hide.	cui bono	Feb 2016	#512
Update your OP then	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#507
Agreed, the OP is now faced with contradictory facts	Babel_17	Feb 2016	#516
Care to update with a link to the primary source's clarification?	Barack_America	Feb 2016	#474
Alerted.	cui bono	Feb 2016	#492
You're not the first...and the alert will go...right to...the administrators.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2016	#494
I was actually just kidding. But I probably should have.	cui bono	Feb 2016	#510
I don't know why there's a controversy over the picture.	pacalo	Feb 2016	#493
All the shit that gets flung around this site and THIS is where you make a stand?	zigby	Feb 2016	#496
Welcome to DU	Fumesucker	Feb 2016	#498
+1	cui bono	Feb 2016	#513
+1,000,000 nt.	polly7	Feb 2016	#514
+1000.	SixString	Feb 2016	#535
Camp Weathervane only speak of UNITY when they think she's down.	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#538
Dear Skinner. I can't tell you where it was first debunked, but	PatrickforO	Feb 2016	#502
Meta. n/t	demmiblue	Feb 2016	#504
Interesting looking at these two side by side. He is wearing the same swetter and under shirt.	Quixote1818	Feb 2016	#508
The University of Chicago Photographic Archive changed their caption back to Bernie Sanders...	xocet	Feb 2016	#517
I'm not holding my breath	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#546
Photo archive now says it's Sanders.	mainer	Feb 2016	#518
Yes, but...still need more proof...none of this is decisive...things are open to interpretation...	TwilightGardener	Feb 2016	#519
Yes, this was a really an illconceived line of attack	Quixote1818	Feb 2016	#520
Wonder if Nick had anything to do with the smear?	UglyGreed	Feb 2016	#521
Are you still Just Asking Questions?	arcane1	Feb 2016	#522
You have all the facts now	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#523
THANK YOU to the jury who hid the post for refusing to let DU become part of the MSM smear machine	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#524
I wonder who else bought into this smear ...	Babel_17	Feb 2016	#525
"Bought" being a key word here.	arcane1	Feb 2016	#541
You should self-delete this OP. You are embarassing yourself. eom	Purveyor	Feb 2016	#527
Or he could edit it and leave it up. It's fun and educational.	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#528
First, what are we "debunking?" Did Bernie ever say it was him? Second, who are you going to	merrily	Feb 2016	#531
Kicking for exposing the swiftboating and those perpetuating the smear	me b zola	Feb 2016	#532
Shine a light on all of those here and in the media	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#536
Skinner you owe the site an apology for defending this disgusting smear	Bjorn Against	Feb 2016	#537
+1. Even Capehart has withdrawn his claim. Skinner should too.	Electric Monk	Feb 2016	#543
Not going to let this fall off the first page	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#544
If we're to go all "Fair and Balancy"	catnhatnh	Feb 2016	#549
kick	enigmatic	Feb 2016	#550
Skinner, you are FAR more patient than I	Bobbie Jo	Feb 2016	#551
Why is this post still around?	tularetom	Feb 2016	#552
University of Chicago CORRECTS photo archives. Confirms it is Sanders.	senz	Feb 2016	#553
Probably has been said before, but we wouldn't be in the place we are now on this issue...	redgreenandblue	Feb 2016	#554
Kicking an eye-opening thread.	SixString	Feb 2016	#555
Since this pack of lies, we've had 'Reagan was an AIDS activist' and 'They threw chairs and	Bluenorthwest	May 2016	#565

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