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BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
64. They will also show up in droves to vote AGAINST Bernie.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

or any Democrat. That's what they do.

But, we can win the election by winning independent voters. The question is who is more likely to do that Hillary or Bernie. I see plusses and minuses for both of them on that score. It also depends on which of the loons the repugs settle on.

I support Bernie for the nomination, but I am not confident either of our candidates can win enough independent support. There are a lot of things that could go wrong.

It is what it is. Play the game, you're going to lose friends. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #1
Yep and she will also be your next President.....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #6
In your dreams MissDeeds Feb 2016 #30
she's got to be in the equation of responsibility for some of it. If she would just roguevalley Feb 2016 #44
The e-mail "scandal" is BS. stopbush Feb 2016 #108
That's some funny shit right there! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #91
I'll work hard to make 840high Feb 2016 #113
ok. I'll do the opposite....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #119
Yep! peggysue2 Feb 2016 #120
There you go!!!! asuhornets Feb 2016 #121
The question isn't whether SHE can take it - it is whether THE COUNTRY can. IdaBriggs Feb 2016 #15
Obama escaped impeachment because he is an ethical and honest human being tularetom Feb 2016 #58
The question isn't whether she can take it Glamrock Feb 2016 #133
Ida SheenaR Feb 2016 #2
Sigh. I like Bernie. I don't like the dirty tricks and "games" IdaBriggs Feb 2016 #21
I get ya SheenaR Feb 2016 #25
So you don't think the republican congress will work with her and pass all the Progressive NightWatcher Feb 2016 #3
I don't care for her corporatism if she cut all of her industry ties I'd get behind her. JRLeft Feb 2016 #4
I think she's mired in a web of corruption of her own making cali Feb 2016 #5
Agree. SoapBox Feb 2016 #86
Yep, and they've cashed in with disgusting greed... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #118
100% truth there. hifiguy Feb 2016 #123
Truth. 840high Feb 2016 #114
By, or for? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2016 #7
I've noticed the same thing Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #8
My explanation is visceral. I don't hate her. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #60
You still were able Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #65
Yes it is Reter Feb 2016 #9
This is the only place I see it. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #10
Wow, you must live in an echo chamber, because I see it daily. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #56
Yes. That must be it. I live in an echo chamber. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #68
I like her, she's a lovely person. But another 4 to 8 years of grid lock and distractions is Autumn Feb 2016 #11
How exactly will we avoid gridlock with a President Sanders? Justice Feb 2016 #115
Thank you for your post. hamsterjill Feb 2016 #12
Well they do say "ignorance is bliss." Unfortunately, once the genie is out of the bottle, there is Skwmom Feb 2016 #13
Bill Clinton famously said, "Politics is a contact sport." So hey, closeupready Feb 2016 #14
I have yet to meet one single person outside of these political Purveyor Feb 2016 #16
Same here. I know one person personally that supports Hillary and he's wealthy. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #93
I met one, my wife's cousin. He is gay, and fairly open minded. DirtyHippyBastard Feb 2016 #107
While I disliked William Clinton as President, guillaumeb Feb 2016 #17
And whose fault is that? jillan Feb 2016 #18
Hers, for being so uppity. For asking for an office in the West Wing. HOW DARE SHE? pnwmom Feb 2016 #71
She's got quite a few right here on this board. They think that if they shout loud enough politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #19
And we all know... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #80
I agree True Blue American Feb 2016 #106
She could go away. I'm sure all (or most) would shortly be forgiven. immoderate Feb 2016 #20
"Well-behaved women rarely make history" Empowerer Feb 2016 #22
I think it is revealing. artislife Feb 2016 #23
It might be appalling but if people don't like you then well... Kalidurga Feb 2016 #24
Hillary has little chance to win the general election SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #26
The level of Hillary hatred BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #27
I don't hate anybody. Maedhros Feb 2016 #117
She reaps what she sows. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #28
And thank you for your post! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #29
I agree. Kurovski Feb 2016 #31
She used racist dog whistles against Obama in '08 LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #32
Hillary MFM008 Feb 2016 #33
Offer yourself for President, and invite support, indifference, or scorn. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #34
Criticizing someone nichomachus Feb 2016 #35
This. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #40
Agreed, that is why SHE is not electable. And why SHE will not be able to "get things done" JudyM Feb 2016 #36
I have been saying this but no one wants to hear it hollysmom Feb 2016 #104
There is a battalion of skeletons in the Clintons' collective closet hifiguy Feb 2016 #112
I believe most of it is unfair innuendo and stupid republican tricks hollysmom Feb 2016 #135
I'll support her in the GE, jkbRN Feb 2016 #37
And who is responsible for that? MissDeeds Feb 2016 #38
When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies. upaloopa Feb 2016 #39
I think she is entirely sleazy and corrupt based on her own actions. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #41
People are sick to the teeth of hifiguy Feb 2016 #42
What makes it even more galling is how the Clintons are so proud of their "Welfare Reform" Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #51
co-signed. FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #109
The amount of Hillary hatred here at DU upsets me more. LonePirate Feb 2016 #43
I don't hate Hillary... but I think she's dishonest, corrupt, and blinded by ambition. AzDar Feb 2016 #45
Absolutely! n/t marew Feb 2016 #48
+1. Plus her campaign always takes the low road. Always. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #59
blinded by ambition farleftlib Feb 2016 #69
Agreed --- I'm backing Bernie, but certainly don't hate Hillary. Barack Obama took Wall St money whathehell Feb 2016 #46
There was no contrast loyalsister Feb 2016 #126
Contrasted or not, she's still no more deserving of 'hatred' for it than Obama whathehell Feb 2016 #142
Google "Hillary dead broke"! marew Feb 2016 #47
Her policies are 'meh'... TipTok Feb 2016 #49
Yes there is, which makes me convinced she'll be as effective as Sanders WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #50
Appalling, yes. Fixable between now and November, maybe not. Why is she not working on her problems? Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #52
Because she thinks she has none. Political_Junkie Feb 2016 #111
She'll blame her staff before 840high Feb 2016 #125
hillary hating dems have all coalesced around the guy they never even heard of a year ago lol nt msongs Feb 2016 #53
Wow, way to insult your fellow Democrats. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #57
Hmm, are you talking about Obama or Bernie? n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #73
What? I've been well aware of Bernie since the 90s. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #127
I have never liked her Kurska Feb 2016 #54
The GOP will show up in droves to vote AGAINST a Clinton in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #55
They will also show up in droves to vote AGAINST Bernie. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #64
They don't hate Bernie the way they hate anyone with the last name of Clinton. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #76
I disagree. Why is pointing out a candidates flaws, and expressing frustration and/or jonno99 Feb 2016 #61
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2016 #62
I remember when I used to really like Hillary madokie Feb 2016 #63
she's a putschist who throws whole countries to the cartels--not even to scratch MisterP Feb 2016 #66
What do you expect? hifiguy Feb 2016 #124
We see a lot of that irrational hatred here on DU nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #67
Fair Comment is no substitute for Hate Wibly Feb 2016 #70
Obama had none of that going in, but look how they treated him... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #72
So do you detest the attacks coming from Clinton supporters saying that Bernie has no liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #74
DU is not the bubble to judge Hillary's 'popularity' by...we all have our own agendas... islandmkl Feb 2016 #75
agree on every point! ellennelle Feb 2016 #77
I've never seen someone be so Conservative yet think she's a real democrat PatrynXX Feb 2016 #78
That's what makes her unelectable. forest444 Feb 2016 #79
She deserves the hate and so does every other democrat who sells out the people fbc Feb 2016 #81
Being better than the GOPukes is not good enough. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #82
I remember watching the MSNBC evening lineup in the 1990s. The entire evening was dedicated Enthusiast Feb 2016 #83
You may be confusing "Hillary Hate" for rejection of what she stands for. Indepatriot Feb 2016 #84
See post #81 DFW Feb 2016 #96
Her only passion is for power... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #85
Nonsense. 99Forever Feb 2016 #87
Make no mistake...the righties won't work with ANY Dem. Ever. LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #88
She brings a lot of it on herself. Chakab Feb 2016 #89
Worst Candidate Ever mhatrw Feb 2016 #90
I agree with you. It isn't right that she's hated for what men all around her do. ancianita Feb 2016 #92
Maybe that's the problem with her. She is smart and doesn't mind letting you know Cleita Feb 2016 #94
There is a lot less reason to be optimistic than a lot of D's think. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2016 #95
Don't forget Hillary's assassination remark about Obama. PonyUp Feb 2016 #97
You don't know the 1/2 of Carolina Feb 2016 #98
That's a convenient Catch 22 BainsBane Feb 2016 #99
Are you really sure it's hatred against Hillary, or is against ALL DEMS? napi21 Feb 2016 #100
Why do you hate (fill in the blank)? sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #101
guess we should go back in time and not have Obama run for reelection in 2012 dsc Feb 2016 #102
She started it. She talks a lot of shit. Her campaign is now insulting elehhhhna Feb 2016 #103
Outside the Democratic party bubble over 60% of the public doesn't trust Hillary Clinton.. raindaddy Feb 2016 #105
As things stand NOW (and it is a glacial age before the election) DFW Feb 2016 #110
This is something that I've been worried about Nac Mac Feegle Feb 2016 #116
Peter G. Peterson Foundation tithes to Clinton. chapdrum Feb 2016 #122
Thanks. 840high Feb 2016 #129
Jeezus. Her candidacy is like the biggest con in history. RiverLover Feb 2016 #132
Don't hate Hillary, but zentrum Feb 2016 #128
Yeah, lots of people say she is like a mean Mom, LOL. You're appalled and concerned? bettyellen Feb 2016 #130
Political misstep or 3? Victor_c3 Feb 2016 #131
Am stunned by your story, chapdrum Feb 2016 #134
Dear Victor BellaKos Feb 2016 #138
Thank you Victor for telling your story. coyote Feb 2016 #139
I'm with you quite a bit, Ida. Bernie's my choice, but I don't hate Sec. Clinton. Mc Mike Feb 2016 #136
Gawd, it's gotten so ugly, hasn't it? BellaKos Feb 2016 #137
Don't worry - if Bernie wins they will hate him & fight against him tooth and nail. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #140
Agreed. chapdrum Feb 2016 #141
Maybe it's because she's awful bigwillq Feb 2016 #143
Sometimes the obvious is correct SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #144
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