2016 Postmortem

Lucinda

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145. As of January 31

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:36 PM

Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:03 AM - Edit history (1)

he has raised IN TOTAL $74,369,254 - which is over 25 million LESS - than the ad buy totals for just the primary in New Hampshire.

And if you count just the Republican 80% spent, they still spent more than he has raised in total so far.
He currently does not have the financial support to run a GE campaign. They will have to raise money, tons of it, to be competitive in the GE.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528&type=f

Hillary has raised more in total, but not nearly enough to bankroll a GE run yet. The advantage she has over Bernie financially, is the SuperPAC money. I want the big money out of politics as much as anyone does, but as long as the Republicans are making use of it, I am glad she is too.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019

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Hillary isn't owned by anyone. [View all] boston bean Feb 2016 OP

It's facile. An indication of the lack of substantive arguments against her candidacy. DanTex Feb 2016 #1

You mean like... HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #20

Non-sequitur, but I can see why you want to change the subject. DanTex Feb 2016 #24

I was responding to your "lack of substantive arguments against her candidacy" remark. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #29

Well the OP was about the "owned by banks" nonsense. DanTex Feb 2016 #31

If you're talking about a position that he held 30+ years ago, then yeah, I do want to go there. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #34

Of course you don't. And the guns either. At least we can agree that "owned by banks" is nonsense. DanTex Feb 2016 #37

I think you misread my post. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #52

From bank employees. Do you know any bank employees? DanTex Feb 2016 #54

I live in the wrong part of the country to know any bank employees. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #56

I do, I am even married to a former bank employee. Sadly I don't think any of the one's I know A Simple Game Feb 2016 #92

She Is Lying billhicks76 Feb 2016 #105

No, I don't think so, the OP didn't mention banks. You just made that up. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #60

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Old Crow Feb 2016 #97

Hey, corporations are people! AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #100

LOL! Old Crow Feb 2016 #103

The word banks or any recerence to them is not in the op so..... SwampG8r Feb 2016 #146

LOL! Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #50

What is lacking are substantive arguments FOR her candidacy. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #66

I find it weird that people who don't support her just make these wild assumptions about DanTex Feb 2016 #69

Its not assumptions about people who support her. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #78

^^^ so.much.this ^^^ Hiraeth Feb 2016 #76

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #112

Yes she is....corporate donors own her. Punkingal Feb 2016 #2

This musiclawyer Feb 2016 #7

He sure has a great connection with Lockheed Martin and he has maintained a relationship Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #57

But those corporations are Genuine and Authentic. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #74

Corporations are the same, and a revolution will never Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #158

Bullshit...that is a blatant lie about the NRA. Punkingal Feb 2016 #110

Nope, it is true, the NRA donated $18,000 to defeat Sanders opponent when Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #159

Sanders does not take money from the NRA which is what you are inferring. That is a lie. Punkingal Feb 2016 #164

Go back and read my post again, I did not say he took the money, I said the NRA Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #165

Please list all his contributions from Lockheed Martin and the NRA. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #155

Did you see any place I stated he took money? He has talked about going after the defense spending Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #161

Bernie is honest about pork. Hillary lies like a rug about Wall Street and the IWR. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #162

She is, the op is in serious denial. JRLeft Feb 2016 #17

^^^THIS^^^ valerief Feb 2016 #89

Kinda weird now when I see these silly threads I have to look to see if it's the Hillary section PatrynXX Feb 2016 #90

Sorry but she is the definition of Purchased Politician. RiverLover Feb 2016 #3

How would she provide that payoff? Lucinda Feb 2016 #6

POTUS can influence policy. frylock Feb 2016 #21

With a congress that people say won't work with her? Lucinda Feb 2016 #38

So you're saying that Obama has been ineffective? frylock Feb 2016 #45

Nope. He's done well with the congress he drew. But I'm told Hillary Lucinda Feb 2016 #49

They'll get the things done that they align with. frylock Feb 2016 #58

So the Republicans would help her pay off the guys that helped her take the POTUS Lucinda Feb 2016 #68

They're ALL payed by the same guys. frylock Feb 2016 #72

Not even my second. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #124

You should join the conversation over here. frylock Feb 2016 #130

I'm glad she is raising money. You'd better believe Bernie will need piles of it too Lucinda Feb 2016 #134

Try and keep up. Bernie pulled in 3.5 milly from people like me in the last two days. frylock Feb 2016 #136

How far do you think that would go in the GE. Tiny NH has already been hit with 100 million Lucinda Feb 2016 #139

Let me type this out again for you. frylock Feb 2016 #140

100 MILLION DOLLARS for a handful of days worth of ads in one tiny state. Lucinda Feb 2016 #141

Bernie is pulling more money than Hillary. Explain to me like I'm 5 years old.. frylock Feb 2016 #144

As of January 31 Lucinda Feb 2016 #145

POTUS leads Congress HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #22

They purchase both branches of government (and the SC by extebnsion) Armstead Feb 2016 #41

Well...there ya go then! Lucinda Feb 2016 #46

By ensuring the status quo is maintained via veto power if necessary shawn703 Feb 2016 #104

Seems like a pretty bad investment if they have to wait around for congress Lucinda Feb 2016 #118

If you haven't noticed, RichVRichV Feb 2016 #114

So they are going to pass pro-business legislation that she wants passed, to pay off Lucinda Feb 2016 #123

Do you feel the Republicans hate Obama and try to block everything he does? RichVRichV Feb 2016 #135

Ya she may not be owned but she acts like she is rented to the highest bidder awake Feb 2016 #4

My thought exactly! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2016 #30

Perfect. bvf Feb 2016 #39

The OP is correct. Hillary isn't owned by any one... she's owned by a LOT of people! reformist2 Feb 2016 #5

and corporations nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #8

Haven't you heard? KansDem Feb 2016 #80

Uh huh oregonjen Feb 2016 #9

They made her take the money? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #10

During her career in elected office. Lucinda Feb 2016 #59

I know what it translates to and who they work for, but thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #61

I'm thinking there will be some remorse musiclawyer Feb 2016 #11

Lol! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16

just about all politicians are beholding to DesertFlower Feb 2016 #12

Her own mind Carolina Feb 2016 #13

I've never said she was owned. retrowire Feb 2016 #14

She isn't owned, it's more like a partnership. morningfog Feb 2016 #15

+1. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #27

LOL! reformist2 Feb 2016 #55

Took the post right off of my keyboard! dflprincess Feb 2016 #84

It's more like rented, I agree. After the proper favors are granted politically, she will be done Dragonfli Feb 2016 #18

That Jury Is Pretty Much In... But We DO Know She'll Say Almost Anything For Votes... WillyT Feb 2016 #19

Corporations don't make donations -- they make purchases nichomachus Feb 2016 #23

You have nailed it solid! modestybl Feb 2016 #138

Leased, then? AzDar Feb 2016 #25

she is compromised by all of the money that she has taken from the titans of industry and commerce virtualobserver Feb 2016 #26

Agreed. She's more of a series of a short-term leases rather than a purchase. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #28

The corporations currently have her on retainer Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #156

No one who gets big corporate donations EVER defies the corporations who made them. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #32

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #33

Let's stop acting like Citizens United doesn't exist for a reason. nt RedCappedBandit Feb 2016 #35

You're not being honest with yourself EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #36

You know what's even more insulting? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #40

I'm sure you would agree that the republicans are "owned" by their donors, jkbRN Feb 2016 #42

Owned implies she is a separate entity from that which does the owning, she is not owned.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #43

Precisely my thoughts as well sammythecat Feb 2016 #95

Seems right. HassleCat Feb 2016 #44

No, owned is probably not the proper analogy tularetom Feb 2016 #47

no - she's not owned by the establishment Locrian Feb 2016 #151

You didn't ask with a cherry and sugar on top. earthside Feb 2016 #48

So she'll have no problem returning Goldman Sachs' donations? n/t brentspeak Feb 2016 #51

here's the meaning pinebox Feb 2016 #53

That's the urban dictionary definition, not the real definition. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #67

Actually it is pinebox Feb 2016 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #62

She's owned by her own political ambition. Whatever it takes. Broward Feb 2016 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #64

All politicians are owned by someone bigwillq Feb 2016 #65

Those big banks must be run by morons DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #70

Of course she's not . . . Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #71

Thank you mcar Feb 2016 #73

Rented then, fine. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #75

Sure she is. And there's no climate change. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #77

She courts saltpoint Feb 2016 #79

. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #81

You're joking, right? RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #82

I agree... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #83

It's a blanket response NRA has bought and pain for the DNC PatrynXX Feb 2016 #85

Keep repeating that. nt mother earth Feb 2016 #86

Yes, it may well be insulting ... TO YOU. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #87

No of course not because um 911 DVRacer Feb 2016 #88

and she's anti-pharma and anti-Wall Street and anti-war and anti-deportation MisterP Feb 2016 #91

Her corporate funded super PACs say otherwise... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #93

Oh look, another hit and run Bullshit post. litlbilly Feb 2016 #94

Just got a call from John Podesta. saltpoint Feb 2016 #96

:eyeroll: Schema Thing Feb 2016 #98

Right...she's not by anyone Roland99 Feb 2016 #99

Lol Loudestlib Feb 2016 #101

She's Owned By Money And Ego billhicks76 Feb 2016 #102

agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #106

ROFLMAO!!! That's a good one!! She is bought and paid for.... bowens43 Feb 2016 #107

She is owned by entities, not actual humans AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #108

Thank you. What's the real stinker is she wants that for the rest of us too. nc4bo Feb 2016 #115

She's using those big bank SOB's! Taking $250k a speech from them.. And that's all they're getting.. raindaddy Feb 2016 #109

This is all Sanders has right now, impugn her integrity and claim he's running a clean campaign uponit7771 Feb 2016 #111

"It's insulting as all hell" mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #113

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold... Tommymac Feb 2016 #116

Yes she is. Three SuperPAC's Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #117

Bain Fucking Capital Fuddnik Feb 2016 #119

Yes, Bain Capital is the cherry on top of the corruption sundae. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #122

Well corporations aren't people so yeah, she isn't. Fearless Feb 2016 #120

So Where Did The Clinton's Get Their $130 Million Dollar Nest Egg? scottie55 Feb 2016 #121

HaHaHaHa! Good One! mckara Feb 2016 #125

I don't believe she is owned by anyone. I respect Hillary Clinton. californiabernin Feb 2016 #126

lordy, sweetheart ellennelle Feb 2016 #127

Most wrong post of the year Doctor_J Feb 2016 #128

It's hard, I know. But the truth shall set you free. azmom Feb 2016 #129

She isn't owned by any one. Red Oak Feb 2016 #131

Then you should say the same about republicans Nyan Feb 2016 #132

No one person owns her. She is traded publicly. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #133

ROFLMAO SoapBox Feb 2016 #137

Hillary is not owned by the 1%er club Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #142

She's owned and her voting record proves it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #147

I wonder why the people saying Hillary is owned by (fill in the blank), don't show the evidence. betsuni Feb 2016 #148

OK here is some evidence for you AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #149

OMG WORDS!111!!!!! betsuni Feb 2016 #157

And dollar figures! AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #166

So what? If I give you a dollar will you do whatever I tell you to do? betsuni Feb 2016 #167

If you were paying $500k, plenty of people would do whatever you asked. nt LittleBlue Feb 2016 #170

But I wouldn't. Maybe that's why I don't understand this. betsuni Feb 2016 #172

"It's insulting as all hell." ... I think that's their motivation. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #150

Hillary merely belongs to a club that pays her to stay as a member.... islandmkl Feb 2016 #152

Thanks for the laugh 4dsc Feb 2016 #153

Maybe. Maybe not. She certainly has conflict of interest problems. cali Feb 2016 #154

Clinton is forced to take the money? Clinton is forced to take money from those she claims Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #160

What a load of crap. alarimer Feb 2016 #163

She just rents herself out SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #168

Understand the word context? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #169

Yeah. keep telling yourself that. kath Feb 2016 #171